Post ITT memorializing John McCain

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

this article is savage and owns lol

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five-6431838

# ? Aug 27, 2018 08:54

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# ? May 8, 2024 22:49

A Handed Missus: Aug 6, 2012

Jose posted:

this article is savage and owns lol

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five-6431838

quote:

Those who survive will be the sociopaths who can tell a lie with the most sincere, straight face. You are especially adept at this.

that's my johnny :3:

# ? Aug 27, 2018 09:36

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

from 2013

quote:

Given his philosophy, the general might not have wanted us to make a big affair over his passing this past weekend. I almost didn't write this column. But John McCain changed my mind.

Seated in the midst of a catastrophic government shutdown engineered by his own sociopathic party, McCain took time out of his busy schedule to sit down and write Giap's obituary for the Wall Street Journal.

Leaving aside, for the moment, the generally mediocre quality of the paper itself, asking McCain to write the last words on one of the greatest military tacticians in history is sort of like asking the kid who repeated the ninth grade twice to give your school's valedictorian address.

In a way, it was a stroke of genius.

McCain, as a human being and a soldier, reminds us all of just how remarkable Giap was because he is so profoundly mediocre. Born into a naval dynasty, McCain grew up rich and spoiled.

When Giap was a teenager, he was arrested for joining an anti-colonial resistance movement. When McCain was a teenager, he was arrested for cursing out two girls who didn't appreciate his advances.

McCain graduated near the bottom of his class; Giap taught at the most elite school in Vietnam.

Giap retook his entire nation from some of the most ruthless armies the world has ever seen; McCain crashed two airplanes and blacked out a village in Spain before he ever flew his first combat mission.

After miraculously surviving the greatest disaster in the history of the US Navy by hiding in the break room of the USS Forestall, McCain signed up for Operation Rolling Thunder � one of the most hellacious and pointless bombing campaigns in the history of mankind.

It would be one of many losing campaigns for McCain � something Giap couldn't have told you anything about.

Naturally, "He beat us in war but never in battle"� is richly flavored with the many chips that John McCain has shouldered through his long and checkered life.

Thought the piece alludes to McCain's careful reading and intelligent questions about the war, his inferences prove to be the stuff of a frat house moron.

"Americans tired of the dying and the killing before the Vietnamese did,"� he wrote. "It's hard to defend the morality of the strategy. But you can't deny its success."�

In the end, McCain chalks America's retreat from Vietnam after two decades of savage bombing and killing as a function of our superior humanity.

The statement belies his obtuse grasp of the thinking of the various white people who engineered the war"�men who were happy to kill as many people as logistically possible in order to "scare"� the Soviet Union.

In McCain's mind, it is harder to defend the morality of resisting an unprecedented bombing campaign than it is to unleash one.

Which explains why he's spent his entire political career viciously pushing for more killing in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Georgia and most recently Syria.

McCain has learned nothing from his many personal and political failures, despite Giap's willingness to teach him.

"Any forces that wish to impose their will on other nations will face failure,"� Giap told the UK's Independent in 2004.

That's something that might look good in McCain's obituary. Or on his tombstone.

# ? Aug 27, 2018 10:40

Mia Wasikowska: Oct 7, 2006

thats the good poo poo

# ? Aug 27, 2018 10:41

Mariana Horchata: Jun 30, 2008; College Slice

# ? Aug 27, 2018 12:11

Significant Ant: Jun 14, 2017; by R. Guyovich

fatal oopsie-daisy posted:

He was a sack of poo poo, and then suddenly he was considered a moderate because the sacks of poo poo became more and more putrid and vile.

Rip former relative sack of poo poo

trump is less vile than mccain hth

# ? Aug 27, 2018 12:25

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/Trillburne/status/1034041074640187392

# ? Aug 27, 2018 12:35

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lmao

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1034038709811863552

# ? Aug 27, 2018 12:37

KiteAuraan: Aug 5, 2014; JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!

Jose posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1034038709811863552

sitting here watching the sun rise over the mess, cup of coffee in hand, smiling that the old bitch dead and lmgdbo.

# ? Aug 27, 2018 13:53

A Handed Missus: Aug 6, 2012

Jose posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1034038709811863552

donald trump should award himself the presidential medal of freedom for this

# ? Aug 27, 2018 13:57

dads friend steve: Dec 24, 2004

Jose posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1034038709811863552

# ? Aug 27, 2018 14:00

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

Jose posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1034038709811863552

an unironic TRUMP!

# ? Aug 27, 2018 14:33

The Nastier Nate: May 22, 2005; All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!; Yams Fan

Jose posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1034038709811863552

gently caress this passive aggressive poo poo. Trump either needs to go full decorum and issue a boilerplate "John McCain was great" statement or just start savagely ripping into him on twitter. Instead he's just such a pussy that he's doing a half-assed statement and is like "well lets put the flag back up before noon, that'll show em!"

# ? Aug 27, 2018 14:41

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

exmarx posted:

from 2013

The idea that Americans didn't want to fight in Vietnam anymore is pure reactionary revisionism. You could compare Vietnam to the Korean War, which the American press immediately gave up reporting on because the public couldn't handle the reporting on all of the atrocities we committed there. So without any public attention we still gave up on hostilities within a few years because in pure material terms the war was unwinnable. The same was true in Vietnam. In pure material terms the Vietnamese were waging a superior strategy of attrition that drained the United States of material and labor resources with zero gains to show for it, except the mountains of Vietnamese and Cambodian corpses - which white America was just fine with.

# ? Aug 27, 2018 17:24

Calico Heart: Mar 22, 2012; "wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"

rip Johnny m, you broke the Geneva convention and bombed a bunch of factory workers then normalised crazy idiots by making Palin your running mate and denied millions of suffering people healthcare

I have a cat named John McCain and I�ll be sad when he dies. for now I�m feeling peachy

# ? Aug 27, 2018 18:15

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

i love that george bush is speaking at mccain's funeral

the bush campaign in 2000 was even more disrespectful to mccain than trump, somehow -- decent summary here

quote:

The �revolting� e-mail�alleging that �McCain chose to sire children without marriage��was from Richard Hand, a professor of the Bible at Greenville�s Christian-fundamentalist Bob Jones University, Bush�s very first campaign stop, on February 2. With the school�s ban on interracial dating still in effect then, the veteran political reporter Curtis Wilkie told me �he might as well have gone to a goddamned Klan rally� as go to B.J.U.

Bush came under attack for it, mostly from Democrats and commentators. McCain said little. (It wasn�t until nine days after the primary that he declared that the G.O.P. is �the party of Ronald Reagan, not Pat Robertson � the party of Abraham Lincoln, not Bob Jones.�) But Danielle Vinson, an associate professor of political science at Greenville�s Furman University, who studied the primary in depth, told me that what the media didn�t grasp is that �B.J.U. people are very active, very political; they�re a great campaign resource.� As it turned out, Wilkie said, �Bush knew what he was doing going to Bob Jones��shrewdly �pandering� to the evangelical vote, just as called for in the Reed game plan.

�This whole thing, it was orchestrated by Rove, it was all Bush�s deal.� It was pretty rank,� said Fletcher, �and they had an institution that was peddling all that poo poo, and it was a university, Bob Jones University. I�m telling you, if there was a campaign headquarters in South Carolina, there it was. Hand was part of it, but Hand wasn�t the only one.�

Mark Carman, who owns the Capitol City News & Maps store, told me of going to a candidates� debate in Columbia, �and when we got back to our car, there was a flyer under the windshield wiper saying something about McCain having a Negro child. My wife is African-American�she just tore it up.�

State representative Jim Merrill, a political operative in 2000 who�d backed Dan Quayle before moving to McCain, told me, �We caught a couple of kids red-handed putting flyers on cars outside a seniors� center in Hilton Head. One of the kids said a guy had paid him 50 bucks to do it.� Who was that guy? He had no idea.

Kevin Geddings, a prominent South Carolina Democratic consultant now based in North Carolina, told me someone had faxed him �a kind of cheesy Kinko�s pamphlet� with a photograph of the McCain family. �It was just so obvious,� he said. �It was one of the few shots you�ve ever seen of the McCains that so prominently featured that particular girl.�

The girl in question is Bridget. In 1991, when Cindy McCain was on a relief mission to Bangladesh, she was asked by one of Mother Teresa�s nuns to help a young orphan with a cleft palate. Flying her to the U.S. for surgery, Cindy realized she couldn�t give her up. At the Phoenix airport, she broke it to her husband, and they eventually adopted the child. But few people knew that story. In the words of McCain�s national campaign manager, Rick Davis, a smear doesn�t have �to be true to be effective.�

McCain�s closest aides were so stunned by the angle of the attack that at first they tried to shield him from it. �We expected one thing, and it was quite the opposite,� said Fletcher, who personally saw the �Negro child� flyers �all over every car� at the debate. �We figured they would go after him on some sort of philandering issue. McCain had pretty well knocked all that down [by admitting in his 1999 autobiography that, at some point after his five and a half years in a North Vietnamese prison, he�d been unfaithful to his first wife], but I always figured that would sort of be the underground thing there. But, man, the child thing.� I�ve seen the worst form of racist sons of bitches in the world in David Duke, but this was unbelievable.�

Almost daily, the ugly buzz grew. Another prominent rumor was that Cindy was a drug addict. In 1994 she�d admitted that she had a prescription-painkiller problem and blamed it on two spinal surgeries and the stress of her husband�s role in the Keating Five scandal. (He was rebuked by the Senate Ethics Committee for intervening with federal regulators on behalf of a disgraced financier.)

There were other whispers as well: McCain had slept with prostitutes and given his wife V.D.; he�d turned traitor in the �Hanoi Hilton,� or was mentally unstable from his captivity, or was a Manchurian Candidate, brainwashed to destroy the G.O.P. (There was then, and still is, a wacky Web site devoted to those last theories. The former Green Beret behind it, Ted Sampley, is back at it today with a savage �Stop Hanoi John Kerry� diatribe; he also supports the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Beyond Sampley, most anti-McCain vets in South Carolina opposed the senator on political and/or veterans� issues�not for his war service. A top McCain aide told me he didn�t think the vets� antagonism was nearly the factor that the more personal attacks were.) For just meeting with the gay Log Cabin Republicans, McCain was labeled the �Fag Army� candidate.

# ? Aug 27, 2018 18:25

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

I think one reason bush was able to get away with ripping on mccain so hard for his military service is that there used to be more vietnam vets around and there was still a tradition of disrespecting them and calling them losers that dated bacl to their original return from nam, where as now they are older and fewer and looked on with more relative respect because they were/are the last elderly congressmen who took part in a war of that scale

I assume there are a few irag or afgahn war vets in congress now but they're not as big deal, but I think there is some correlation between how long ago a war was and how much decorum and respect is lauded on its vet politicians

# ? Aug 27, 2018 18:52

Mia Wasikowska: Oct 7, 2006

vietnam war POWs were a huge huge thing for the right wing at the time

# ? Aug 27, 2018 18:54

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

I think hanging the manacing black POW flag next to American flags everywhere probably helped prime people to accept the thin blue line flag as a thing

# ? Aug 27, 2018 18:58

FoneBone: Oct 24, 2004; stupid, stupid rat creatures

https://twitter.com/jkirchick/status/1033809646585356290

# ? Aug 27, 2018 22:35

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

# ? Aug 27, 2018 22:39

frankenfreak: Feb 16, 2007; I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

exmarx posted:

from 2013

lol

# ? Sep 1, 2018 10:55

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Giap: Perfect record against Imperialist scum since 1940

# ? Sep 1, 2018 13:34

Mariana Horchata: Jun 30, 2008; College Slice

im gonna be john mccain for halloween this year, just gonna lie in state on the front yard inside an enclosed box w/ an american flag draped atop, a dab pen inside, and an offerring bowl of king size butterfingers in front for the rude teens

# ? Sep 1, 2018 13:46

Mariana Horchata: Jun 30, 2008; College Slice

my personal theory is that the deep state is pushing the mccain whitewash propaganda on the media hard af because they are shook and see it as a way to reinforce peoples faith in conventional political institutions such as the US senate during such precarious times

# ? Sep 1, 2018 14:47

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https://twitter.com/boring_as_heck/status/1035295600357519360

# ? Sep 1, 2018 15:27

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Wynona Dryder posted:

my personal theory is that the deep state is pushing the mccain whitewash propaganda on the media hard af because they are shook and see it as a way to reinforce peoples faith in conventional political institutions such as the US senate during such precarious times

Also the decorum thing pretending that Trump hasn't personally broken and destabilized US hegemony.

# ? Sep 1, 2018 15:32

BONE DOG: Jun 7, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

https://twitter.com/boring_as_heck/status/1035295600357519360

*the rigid lifeless body of john McCain is defenstrated from the penthouse of One World Trade Center

# ? Sep 1, 2018 17:18

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1035907799769866240?s=19

# ? Sep 1, 2018 17:30

Inspector Hound: Jul 14, 2003

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

https://twitter.com/boring_as_heck/status/1035295600357519360

Lmao no way

# ? Sep 1, 2018 17:35

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz9DX_VMXdI

# ? Sep 1, 2018 17:50

Jewel Repetition: Dec 24, 2012; Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

*Eulogy voice* he was a man who loved peace

# ? Sep 1, 2018 17:53

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

He dead lol

# ? Sep 1, 2018 17:55

Mariana Horchata: Jun 30, 2008; College Slice

etalian posted:

Also the decorum thing pretending that Trump hasn't personally broken and destabilized US hegemony.

yep totally

https://twitter.com/OUfergie/status/1035914059294683138

# ? Sep 1, 2018 18:03

frankenfreak: Feb 16, 2007; I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1035907799769866240?s=19

Don't know about recently released POW McCain, but I'm sure Senator McCain was convinced Kissinger did the right thing there.

# ? Sep 1, 2018 18:05

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Bilirubin posted:

He dead lol

It's funny how centrist Beltway lanyards are given him sainthood despite his career of corruption (S & L scandal) and history of supporting the worst type of right wing legislation.

# ? Sep 1, 2018 18:07

Jewel Repetition: Dec 24, 2012; Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Wynona Dryder posted:

yep totally

https://twitter.com/OUfergie/status/1035914059294683138

This gives an effective, depressing insight into what these people think politics is

# ? Sep 1, 2018 18:38

Zeroisanumber: Oct 23, 2010; Nap Ghost

Wynona Dryder posted:

yep totally

https://twitter.com/OUfergie/status/1035914059294683138

Haha. We're doomed. The first good orator to come out for centrism and capitalism is going to undo all of the work that a million socialists could accomplish in a million years.

# ? Sep 1, 2018 19:17

A Handed Missus: Aug 6, 2012

at least he finally said something memorable in his speech

about him and mccain being on the same team

# ? Sep 1, 2018 19:19

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t0aine: Apr 7, 2018; by Nyc_Tattoo

i mean when you get down to it, we're both part of the same disease. i mean machine.

# ? Sep 1, 2018 19:42

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