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Got the book, but at work right now, so I'll have to read it on my breaks, but I got through the prologue, so let's start with that. quote:“Real power is— I don’t even want to use the word— fear.” Presidential candidate Donald J. Trump in an interview with Bob Woodward and Robert Costa on March 31, 2016, at the Old Post Office Pavilion, Trump International Hotel, Washington, D.C. This is followed by him talking glowingly of his assistant, Evelyn M. Duffy, who did the transcribing, note taking, and recording (and probably a large portion of the writing from the sounds of it...). She's going to be the somewhat, but mostly unsung hero here. This leads to an Author's Note to Readers discussing what deep background is: quote:Interviews for this book were conducted under the journalist ground rule of “deep background.” This means that all the information could be used but I would not say who provided it. The book is drawn from hundreds of hours of interviews with firsthand participants and witnesses to these events. Nearly all allowed me to tape-record our interviews so the story could be told with more precision. Lordy, there be tapes! Of course, we all knew this, but moving along. The book starts with a terrifying story for all global trade fans where Gary Cohn discovers a draft of a letter to the South Korean President stating the intention to end KORUS, our Korean trade deal. Cohn, recognizing this as a terrible idea, is appalled. To break this down a bit, South Korea can give us intel within 7 seconds if North Korea shot one of it's ICBMs. This can give us enough time to shoot it down with our defense system (the GMD) that doesn't work, is a money sink, and they had to cancel tests of it because of rain. Woodward doesn't explain this, probably because 1. he doesn't know, or 2. because he doesn't want to freak people out more. For more on this and other issues with it, follow Jeffrey Lewis or listen to his podcast: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-08/scared-about-north-korea-you-aren-t-scared-enough https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/883460051247157248 quote:Despite almost daily reports of chaos and discord in the White House, the public did not know how bad the internal situation actually was. Trump was always shifting, rarely fixed, erratic. He would get in a bad mood, something large or small would infuriate him, and he would say about the KORUS trade agreement, “We’re withdrawing today.” But now there was the letter, dated September 5, 2017, a potential trigger to a national security catastrophe. Cohn was worried Trump would sign the letter if he saw it. Cohn removed the letter draft from the Resolute Desk. He placed it in a blue folder marked “KEEP.” “I stole it off his desk,” he later told an associate. “I wouldn’t let him see it. He’s never going to see that document. Got to protect the country.” This has also already been reported, but it's in the prologue, so probably a lot of interesting stuff to go. The interesting bit is the unknown channel. Where did the draft come from? quote:
This goes on for a bit. Trump rages about wanting to end the deal at a bunch of meetings, eventually leading to one big one. Jared Kushner enters, taking his father in law seriously, and starts writing down what Trump is saying verbatim. Kushner is then ordered to draft it and send it out. Rob Porter steps in, probably in his own mind saving the nation, and tells Kushner to send it to him first. Kushner, being an easily bullied weasel, does exactly this. Hilariously, Trump's aides then meet with him to convince him it's a terrible idea to leave KORUS and just blast him with stats he probably doesn't understand. Our president then gives up and forgets about the whole thing for the time being because he's an idiot. quote:“Well, let’s keep working on the letter,” Trump said. “I want to see the next draft.” Cohn and Porter did not prepare a next draft. So there was nothing to show the president. The issue, for the moment, disappeared in the haze of presidential decision making. Trump got busy with other things. Mattis comes in when the issue comes up again, and tries to convince him that we need South Korea as a trade buddy and ally because it protects us. He eventually succeeds again, but looking at this makes me wonder how many times this has failed? Oh wait, looks like we're going to have some answers to that: quote:
I see what you did there, Bob. I'll try and get through Chapter 1 and 2 probably by the end of day today and post those tonight. So far, so so. We already know a lot of this, but the details about KORUS are nice. Until next post, folks! Bearded Whiteguy has issued a correction as of 18:37 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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Larry Parrish posted:its not actually bad to be a social conservative in your personal life lmao yes it is
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Marijuana posted:bob woodward sucks mega rear end. pirate his bad book imo
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Larry Parrish posted:dont let the online people fool you. its not actually bad to be a social conservative in your personal life as long as your political belief is egalitarian freedom for everyone yes it is and that belief is childish and incoherent and dumb and bad op
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someone highlight all the gently caress scenes pls
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I bought this and it’s fun reliving the horror of being a Cassandra in 2016
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Good soup! posted:someone highlight all the gently caress scenes pls Can do!
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Bookmarking thread so we can all laugh about the piss tape being confirmed on page 69.
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They make it sound like the world would end if Trump cancelled a five year old trade agreement.
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:They make it sound like the world would end if Trump cancelled a five year old trade agreement. even worse it would cause the south koreans to end their cooperation with an immensely expensive, completely useless MIC boondoggle
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Bookmarking thread so we can all laugh about the piss tape being confirmed on page 69. nice now post pics of the rest of the pages thanks in advance
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Chapter 1 starts off with Bannon in 2010. Bannon gets a call from David Bossie (the Citizen's United guy) who informs Bannon that Donald Trump wants to run for President. Bannon says that there's no way that's going to happen, but Bossie is like, "Nah, for real, bro. Like, it's def happening." This is almost a quote. These two talk to each other like they're frat bros, but they happen to be pushing 60. This... makes a ton of sense when you start thinking about it. Eventually, they go to meet Donald J. Trump, star of the Apprentice that "was number one for NBC for a few weeks". That's an actual quote, lol. That leads to this amazing exchange where you can see, in real time, Donald Trump, our President, change his mind on a subject because the last person he spoke with told him to:quote:“You’ve got some problems on issues,” Bossie said. During this meeting it turns out Donald Trump rarely votes, and only voted in one primary, for Rudy Giuliani, because of loving course. Oh, and: quote:“Well,” he said, “80 percent of the donations that you’ve given have been to Democrats.” To Bossie that was Trump’s biggest political liability, though he didn’t say so. Lol. What a loving moron. Trump later admits to bribery to get things built from a guy who has a baseball bat... definitely not a mob connection. quote:“It’s all rigged. It’s a rigged system. These guys have been shaking me down for years. I don’t want to give. They all walk in. If you don’t write a check . . .” So, yeah. Apparently he just bribes a guy and it all gets done to build buildings. I don't think anyone didn't know this, but it's pretty amazing to have it in quotes and coming from the guy who is our president. The meeting ends with them explaining to Trump he's got to meet Republican candidates and congressmen and give them a check. First he meets with them, tells them he believes in their race, and gives them $2,400. Bannon then concludes the meeting was pointless and he'll never run because Trump won't want to give up his life that he has now. Six years later, chapter 2 begins. Chapter 2 starts out with Bannon reading a NYTimes article from August 2016 where Trump's team is failing. He's a buffoon, prone to gaffs, and extremely unpopular except for his fervent supporters that swear by everything he says. Does this bring you back? Remember when everyone thought he was an idiot and there was no possible way to win? Bernie had conceded to Hillary and said that we need to get behind her to stop a Trump presidency. Rubio was silent, Ted Cruz told a crowd at the Convention to vote your conscious. This was a disaster for the Trump team. There were a few Cassandras (I wasn't one of them until he bounced back from the pussy grabbing tape, and even then I was going back and forth on it), but drat near everyone thought it was over and Hillary was going to win. But Bannon didn't want this. So he calls up Rebekah Mercer. She convinces him to run Trump's campaign and he goes for the job. Manafort get's embroiled in the Ukraine stuff around this time and he's out. With that, one of our, cough, heroes... cough... jesus... Steve Bannon, is now campaign head. Finally, we get squeeky rat Reince Priebus which is not a real name, it's a name from an alien running the simulation, who has been sweating bullets the whole campaign. He freaked out over the Mexicans are rapists bit and told Trump "We've been trying to win over the Hispanics!" but Trump keeps the rhetoric going because it's a winner with his base. So, Priebus, from now on called rat fucker, plants himself in the middle between Mitch Turtle love child McConnell, and Trump. Rat Fucker Priebus tells Trump he loves him and is with him in a beautiful, loving scene reminiscent of "Gone with the Wind" because it's a love that can only bloom in the backdrop of horrible racism. quote:“I’m with you 100 percent. I love you. I’m going to keep working for you. But I have to protect the party. I have a responsibility that’s different than just you.” What a Capulet and Montague love story we've got here! A Rat Fucker, and a guy who loves piss, find love, but the Rat Fucker has to think of his party first! So, disastrous NYtimes article comes out, Bannon goes to Bedminster to meet with Trump and finds out that Roger Ailes, Rudy Giuliani, and Chris Christie were going to be there. Bannon and Ailes have a chat about what a disaster this all is, never once mentioning how weird it is that the head of a TV network is going to be there when Steve Bannon gets hired as Campaign Manager. Can we put to bed that Fox News is 100% a propaganda channel? Yes? Thank you. quote:Trump arrived and sat down. Hot dogs and hamburgers were laid out. The fantasy diet of an 11-year-old kid, Bannon thought, as Trump wolfed down two hot dogs. This is what we need more of. Sexy, hot dog and hamburger action. This was supposed to be a debate prep, but Trump is so stupid it doesn't ever get anywhere. Bannon becomes the songbird for the campaign and convinces Trump that he needs to attack Hillary as corrupt, elitist, and out of touch, but that Trump is there for the workers, the real Americans. They're going to make a plan of action and it's going to paint illegals as the bad guys, bring manufacturing back to America, and end foreign wars. This was the winning strategy according to Steve. Ok, so I've got a few issues here. This is clearly Bannon saying he was behind every bit of this, but I highly doubt that. By this time, Trump had already said a bunch of this stuff, so clearly that was coming from someone in the campaign. Or was he just reading Brietbart and listening to Alex Jones? Who knows, but this chapter is obviously all from Steve Bannon. Just picture Steve talking to Bob Woodward about how important he was to the President but got kicked out because of insiders! There's some good analysis of Hillary in this chapter that clearly shows how they planned to target her: quote:This was what Barack Obama had in 2008 in the primary contest against Clinton, who spoke like the trained politician she was. Her tempo was overly practiced. Even when telling the truth, she sounded like she was lying to you. Politicians like Hillary can’t talk naturally, Bannon said. It was a mechanical way of speaking, right out of the polling and focus groups, answering the questions in political speak. It was soothing, not jarring, not from the heart or from deep conviction, but from some highly paid consultant’s talking points— not angry. Bannon also apparently came up with the idea to put Kellyanne Ann Coulter Cloneway on TV because she is a "warrior". Definitely convincing me that Bannon likes to jerk himself off. Chapter 2 ends with Kellyanne giving her big pep talk to Trump. It's not really that interesting, just her becoming his campaign manager and telling him not to listen to polls and only focus on the battleground states that matter. This all started because Trump didn't like that an ad spot he was doing looked cheap and the cameras weren't HD. That apparently warranted a pep talk because he's five and then he hired mommy Conway because she was nice to him. Two chapters down and we've got some good stuff, but the prologue had the best bits so far. Some lol worthy moments of Bannon sucking himself off, but that's about it. Hopefully the future chapters will pick up. Bearded Whiteguy has issued a correction as of 00:20 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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Feranon posted:lmao yes it is crazy cloud posted:yes it is and that belief is childish and incoherent and dumb and bad op I know I know, it's Cspam and all that and gently caress earnestposting, but things like "monogamy" are "socially conservative" and aren't bad things.
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The Dipshit posted:I know I know, it's Cspam and all that and gently caress earnestposting, but things like "monogamy" are "socially conservative" and aren't bad things. We got ourselves a breeder
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The Dipshit posted:I know I know, it's Cspam and all that and gently caress earnestposting, but things like "monogamy" are "socially conservative" and aren't bad things. yes they are
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crazy cloud posted:nice The book is 420 pages. The piss tape is on page 69.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:The book is 420 pages. attn: forum atheists i was giving poo poo to the other day re: god is real and is love
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Direct from the mouth of Steve Bannon, regarding how you turn around Trump having a 20 point deficit in key battleground states in late August: Paraphrasing: "Hillary Clinton is a neoconservative. America hates neoconservatives. Don't attack her like she's a liberal, because she's not. Attack her like she's a neocon." Man, if republicans knew how to read they'd love this book, and if liberals knew how to read between the lines they'd be furious.
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The Dipshit posted:I know I know, it's Cspam and all that and gently caress earnestposting, but things like "monogamy" are "socially conservative" and aren't bad things.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Direct from the mouth of Steve Bannon, regarding how you turn around Trump having a 20 point deficit in key battleground states in late August: Yeah that's spot on. Though I really don't think Republicans would like this book. It's definitely making Trump out to be a total idiot. They'd love some parts of it for sure. Just finished chapter 4 and will post that shortly. That'll be all for today though. Hodor, what do you think so far?
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Bearded Whiteguy posted:Yeah that's spot on. Though I really don't think Republicans would like this book. It's definitely making Trump out to be a total idiot. They'd love some parts of it for sure. Just finished chapter 4 and will post that shortly. That'll be all for today though. Hodor, what do you think so far? I'm simultaneously disgusted by Trump being this dumb and amazed that Bannon was just so loving right all the time, including him knowing in 2010 not to get involved with Trump because he's a duplicitous retard. Like any sane person knows this, but people signing up for this knowing this and finding out he's even worse is amazing. And I'm now constantly terrified that if someone forgets to distract Trump and hide his executive orders from him we'll all die. At any given moment some general could get stuck in traffic and not be there to distract Trump with a puppet show and Trump will sign some order plunging us into war with every country on earth.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:I'm simultaneously disgusted by Trump being this dumb and amazed that Bannon was just so loving right all the time, including him knowing in 2010 not to get involved with Trump because he's a duplicitous retard. Like any sane person knows this, but people signing up for this knowing this and finding out he's even worse is amazing. I've got a lot to say about Bannon and I think the him being right all the time is just him sucking his own dick, but here goes the next two chapters and then I'm out for the night folks! Chapter 3 starts off pretty lol worthy. Bannon walks into the Campaign Headquarters and finds it basically empty: quote:“Who are you?” Bannon asked. Lol, wtf? The Trump campaign was worse than I could have ever imagined. Also, further credence that Manafort is a cuck. This next part I completely forgot about because it was a million years ago: quote:Bannon felt sorry for Manafort. The campaign manager had been astonished at the success and power of Trump’s Twitter account, and had started one of his own. But the New York Daily News had run this item in April: “Make America kinky again,” noting that Manafort— perhaps unaware that Twitter was a public forum— had followed a Midtown bondage and swingers’ club called Decadence. “Manafort was following the swanky spank spot— which bills itself as the city’s ‘most intimate swing club.’ ” And… Bannon finds out that Manafort took 12.7million in payments, tells Manafort that he has to tell Trump about it. The Times are going to publish the piece the next day and Manafort wusses out in telling Trump. What’s really funny is that Trump pretty much bullies Manafort around which is just the best. Article drops, Trump is “apoplectic”. Rat Fucker and Bannon get on a call, and a new bromance forms. But then… Katie Walsh, famous for making jokes about John Decorum McCain dying, enters into the picture. Bannon knows that they can’t lose the establishment and so he has to convince Rat Fucker to be there with him and still have the party on their side. And by bromance, I mean the kind that involves getting sexy: quote:As Bannon later remarked with his trademark profanity, “I reached out and sucked Reince Priebus’ dick on August 15 and told the establishment, we can’t win without you.” After this there’s some interesting bits on how campaigning works. The GOP comes in and they spend a bunch of money on Big Data (probably Cambridge Analytica), target Ohio voters with early voting, and try to find the voters most likely to vote for Trump and get them. Assuming, which I’m only doing for this point, there was no Russian meddling, this was likely what was most effective. There seems to be a really strong targeting that we all know about was dreamed up by CA because they were stealing people’s Facebook data. No mention of this, though. quote:Bannon tried to sit down with Trump and walk him through refinements of the strategy and how to focus on particular states. The candidate had no interest in talking about it. Bannon assured Trump, I have “metaphysical certitude you will win here if you stick to this script and compare and contrast” with Hillary Clinton. “Every underlying number is with us.” “I realized,” Bannon said later, “I’m the director, he’s the actor.” Insert photo of Steve Bannon sucking his own dick so hard it goes out his rear end. So, this next bit, I’m just going to quote entirely because it’s very enlightening: quote:Kellyanne Conway had gone to the four-day Democratic convention in Philadelphia in July. She had listened to the speeches, talked to delegates, appeared on television. Her observations shaped her current strategy. Yeah…. Wow. Especially that middle part about how much they knew… That’s definitely CA’s data that was stolen. Uhhh… lol? Chapter 3 ends with Bannon strategizing and making fun of Steve Mnuchin’s fundraising. Not a lot of lols to be found there. Chapter 4 begins with :shock: quote:Signs of Russian “reconnoitering,” or digital intrusions as the National Security Agency called them, first appeared in local and state electoral boards’ computerized voter registration rolls— lists of voters’ names and addresses— in the summer of 2015. The first showed up in Illinois, then spread across the country to include 21 states. As the NSA and FBI picked up more information on these cyber intrusions, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper worried that Russia might use the data to change or manipulate votes in some way. Is this just Russia, he wondered. The Russians were always trying to make trouble. We get a bit more in depth but there’s some serious concerns with changing votes. I’m guessing the Obama Administration didn’t want to let this out for fear of tarnishing the election. But what’s frightening is that 1. He knew about this and 2. Trump definitely knows about this and as we know is why he’s so scared of the Russian investigation. It’ll come out that votes were changed or added and then we’ve got a constitutional crisis. How the gently caress are we supposed to deal with that? Hilariously debunking the “deep state” bs, pretty much the entire intelligence team was telling Obama not to say anything to protect their sources. John Brennan, Trump’s hated enemy, went to Russia and told the FSB chief he knows they’re meddling. Obama does not say anything about it, but it’s quietly leaked to the press by someone. quote:Clapper was chosen to brief the so-called Gang of Eight in Congress— four Republican and Democratic leaders in both the Senate and House plus the four chairmen and vice chairmen of the Senate and House intelligence committees. Clapper was stunned by how partisan the leaders were. Republicans disliked everything about the briefing. The Democrats loved every morsel, peppering him with questions about the details and sourcing. He left the briefing dismayed that intelligence was increasingly another political football to kick around. And yeah, wow, look at that. The GOP is a bunch of complicit shitheads loving up our country. Lol. On October 7th, the intelligence team releases a statement that Russia is meddling in the elections. However, an hour later, the Access Hollywood tape comes out. quote:“I expected it to be something that would have a lot of currency over the following days,” Jeh Johnson later said. “And that it would be a continuing conversation with more questions from the press.” But the press went “off to the other end of the pasture ’cause of greed and sex and groping.” Oh Jeh… wait, Jeh? Oh, Jeh. You don’t know America very well do you? And then an hour after that, the Podesta emails happen, starting Pizzagate and becoming a perfect thing for Chuds to fall back on. It’s almost as if this was coordinated? We hear about how Rat Fucker and Pencil Dick Mike Pence got freaked out by the tape. It was apparently over after that. But we all know better because it turns out America doesn’t care about rapists! quote:The team gathered in Trump’s residence. Trump sat in his big gold chair. “What’s the percentages?” he asked. “Okay, let’s go around. I really want to know, what’s your recommendation? What’s your advice?” There’s some back and forth and then we get this amazing tidbit that leads nowhere: quote:New Jersey governor Chris Christie was sitting in sweatpants and ball cap. Christie agrees with Rat Fucker. quote:“Do we call 60 Minutes?” Kellyanne Conway asked. She proposed a public confessional. “You can’t do it Sunday because the debate’s on Sunday. . . . Or you call ABC or NBC and have him on the sofa with Ivanka on one side and Melania on the other, basically crying, saying I apologize.” I wonder how many times Melania has said “No way. No, no, no” to Donald. Every night? Do you think she’s horrified every time he takes his clothes off? Trump prepares for the soft ball ABC interview where he can apologize. Christie and Giuliani beg him to read a boring intro, but… it doesn’t go well: quote:Trump took a seat. Preparations for the ABC interview were in motion— it was likely to be a record-breaker. Giuliani and Christie handed a sheet of their suggestions to Trump. Trump read: “My language was inappropriate, not acceptable for a president.” It was political speak— not Trump, all Giuliani and Christie. Trump was surly. “I can’t do this,” he said. “This is bullshit. This is weak. You guys are weak.” Bannon realized he had this one. He just had to keep his mouth shut. Lol, yes, Rudy. Think of the suburban moms! Trump cancels the interview, walks down to greet fans, and Christie confronts Bannon. He says that Bannon is an enabler, and pushes all of Trumps worst instincts. Bannon smiles and lets him know that they’re getting on a plane tomorrow to go to St. Louis. Christie’s either on that plane or off. Oh my! It’s almost as if this is a movie that Bannon produced. Rudy goes on the Sunday talk shows to defend Trump. Redirects and pushes that Clinton was worse, her speeches, and her emails, yadda yadda yadda. He was old, tired, and had been through the ringer. Rudy gets on the plane to St. Louis, and sits next to the big orange cheese: quote:“Rudy, you’re a baby!” Trump said loudly. “I’ve never seen a worse defense of me in my life. They took your diaper off right there. You’re like a little baby that needed to be changed. When are you going to be a man?” Lol, gently caress you, Rudy. This is the absolute best. From now on, Rudy is Diaper baby Rudy. And this is the end of chapter 4 folks!
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I'm a bit ahead of you, and lol at this quote:quote:"Mr. President, you've got to buy some Democrats," Graham said. "The good news is they come cheap."
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Percelus posted:imagine reading a beltway gossip book instead of just the best excerpts A $4 spray can of heavy oil beats Elon's lovely cigarette lighter spectacularly, idk why people line up to suck elon's dong so hard Woodward can eat my rear end, but I'm still reading this book because hey why not, we might as well know why the bombs fell in the moments between when I go blind in the flash and my brain is destroyed in the shockwave: Potato Salad has issued a correction as of 04:56 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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"I'm going to be impeached if that district makes another Democrat congressman. Sad!"
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:I can’t deal with the frequent one-page diversions that seem unrelated in theme or content or sequence to the things surrounding them. it makes me feel like my brain is becoming unhinged from everything else now you're thinking like a president! 
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Bearded Whiteguy posted:I've got a lot to say about Bannon and I think the him being right all the time is just him sucking his own dick, but here goes the next two chapters and then I'm out for the night folks! Thank you for your service! I don't have time to read an entire book without pictures in it anymore Somehow though I find time to read a bunch of posts about piss, and some that just say nothing but "trump."
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Potato Salad posted:A $4 spray can of heavy oil beats Elon's lovely cigarette lighter spectacularly, idk why people line up to suck elon's dong so hard There's a really good book called the 2020 Commission Report by Jeffrey Lewis about North Korea nuking us because Trump makes a stupid tweet and the fallout literally and politically from that. It's funny and terrifying! https://www.amazon.com/Commission-Report-Nuclear-Attacks-Against-ebook/dp/B079VDR6HM You know it's good when all the negative reviews lament that it's "anti-Trump themed". DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:I can’t deal with the frequent one-page diversions that seem unrelated in theme or content or sequence to the things surrounding them. it makes me feel like my brain is becoming unhinged from everything else Yeah, that makes it really difficult to read and write this. There's some good lines in it, but it's kind of all over the place and that's gotten frustrating.
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As I've gotten further in I've been turned off by the constant self-sucking from all of his sources. Woodward portrays these evil ghouls and jackals as heroic and noble, and as the book goes on it gets more and more transparent that his sources are painting themselves in a positive light without any push back. Gonna give it a few more chapters but if it doesn't tone down a bit I'll just look for the juicy bits on Twitter.
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Yeah. Woodward's entire post-Watergate career has been portraying ghouls and jackals as unsung heroes of state. That's his entire thing.
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So far it’s been brought up a few times about the subjects of the books sucking their own dicks about how amazing they are and this is true. It makes it obvious who’s telling the stories here and it’s aggravating because these people are monsters. I get that, but what do you want Woodward to do? He is taking down their words and doesn’t want to misquote them. It just so happens these people are disgusting narcissists (which shouldn’t be surprising) so that comes with the territory. That being said, it's still difficult and aggravating to read it though. I roll my eyes every goddamn line that Bannon says, especially since he talks like an annoying douchebro with the "Dude, bro, loving," etc while being a 63 year old man. Chapter 5 begins with the Trump and Hillary debate. Bannon devises a plan to bring up Bill Clinton and the rape accusations, and the accusers in the audience staring daggers into Hillary. We all remember what happened and this part isn’t very important. It’s just more of Bannon loving himself. Here comes the interesting part. Jared Kushner, or Baby Trump, is actually the money guy for the campaign. If they want anything done that costs money, Baby Trump has to approve it. Bannon says they need $50 million for the rest of the campaign straight from Trump’s pocket, but Trump will not ever cut that large of a check. Why? Well… quote:“He’ll never do it,” Kushner insisted. Confirmation that there is no way Trump was a billionaire during the campaign. He probably is now thanks to the grifting he’s been able to do and just straight up corruption, but not at this point. Eventually, Trump agrees to use $10million of his own money for the campaign, but only if it’s an advance that he’ll get back from donations to his campaign. Amazing that this is legal. And now we get a super lol… Trump thought that money going to his transition if he won was stealing from him, so he forced it to have no funding: quote:“Where the gently caress is the money?” Trump asked Christie. “I need money for my campaign. I’m putting money in my campaign, and you’re loving stealing from me.” He saw it all as his. There’s a little side track after this about Woodward giving a speech and when asking who the audience would vote for, 95% said Trump. He talks to one of the people who would vote for Hillary, and that chat about how crazy it is that these people the Hillary voter considers friends could vote for such a retard. This is supposed to prove a point, apparently. You know, that centrist bit about how they just can’t believe it! But, if you had been paying attention, you would know that there were a bunch of morons in this country. Anyway, this leads to the final days of the campaign and Trump is going to North Carolina. Bannon meets Mark Meadows, the rear end in a top hat head of the House Freedom Caucus and we get this juicy bit: quote:Of all the battleground states, Bannon told Meadows, “This is the one that worries me the most.” The campaign seemed not to be clicking. Wonder how that revolution went, Mark? So the next few pages are recounting the final days before the election. Bannon criticizes Hillary’s strategy, Woodward goes on Fox News and says that Trump could win and that people might be lying to pollsters because they’re embarrassed to vote for Trump. It makes sense, I guess to include it, but it’s not interesting. The election starts with Trump down or tied in the battleground states. Yeah, yeah, we remember what happened. Thanks for reminding us our country is full of idiots, Bob. The only interesting point is this one: quote:Bannon was convinced that Trump himself was stunned. “He has no earthly idea he’s going to win,” Bannon said later. “And he had done no preparation. He never thought he would lose, but he didn’t think he would win. There’s a difference. And you’ve got to remember, no preparation, no transition team.”… Yeah, stupid loving Trump killed the transition team and they had absolutely no idea what to do. Nice confirmation for this, but something we already figured. That ends chapter 5 except with a mention of job titles for Bannon and Rat Fucker. Rat Fucker gets to be Chief of Staff, Self-felator Bannon gets to be Chief Strategist. This was a long chapter so I’ll leave the post with that. Have to get back to work from lunch, but I’ll post the next chapter by the end of day, today. Some good lols this time around but nothing amazing yet. Apparently the next few chapters is where it gets good. No mention of the Comey announcement that may have tanked the Clinton campaign, so that’s an interesting omission. Maybe to make Comey seem less like a piece of poo poo?
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Mayor Dave posted:As I've gotten further in I've been turned off by the constant self-sucking from all of his sources. Woodward portrays these evil ghouls and jackals as heroic and noble, and as the book goes on it gets more and more transparent that his sources are painting themselves in a positive light without any push back. Gonna give it a few more chapters but if it doesn't tone down a bit I'll just look for the juicy bits on Twitter. Did you get to the section where Cohn is aghast that Trump gives no poo poo about the debt ceiling and gets painted as the smart one as a result?
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Easily the best part of everyone sucking their own dicks in this book is that you know exactly who the source is but Trump will never figure it out. e: I take that back. The best part is everyone constantly dunking on Chris Christie The Anime Liker has issued a correction as of 21:51 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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Mayor Dave posted:As I've gotten further in I've been turned off by the constant self-sucking from all of his sources. Woodward portrays these evil ghouls and jackals as heroic and noble, and as the book goes on it gets more and more transparent that his sources are painting themselves in a positive light without any push back. Gonna give it a few more chapters but if it doesn't tone down a bit I'll just look for the juicy bits on Twitter. this is mostly a problem because Woodward doesn’t do hardly anything to distinguish when it’s the author or his sources giving an opinion. maybe it doesn’t matter and the whole point is to make you feel as smooth brained as Donald himself, like it’s the necronomicon for becoming an idiot E: the worst example of it is Woodward referring to family unification as “chain migration” which is a total abandonment of any pretext of neutrality on immigration issues, an example of just embracing Bannon/Miller language DOCTOR ZIMBARDO has issued a correction as of 22:08 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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Bearded Whiteguy posted:
I honestly don't think his net worth has increased after becoming president, but it certainly hasn't DECREASED as much as it should have thanks to all his grifting. He lost alot of revenue (NBC, Macy's, all the garbage chotchkys Trump puts his name on, lagging sales at properties that aren't the DC hotel or Mar-A-Lago) as a result of being a racist shithead. He's also probably so crazy overleveraged, and the thought of him liquefying some assets to fund the campaign would have been laughable given that he was absolutely sure he was going to lose, right up until the minute he didn't.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:e: I take that back. The best part is everyone constantly dunking on Chris Christie 
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Sep 12, 2018 22:35
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i'm not really upset to read a book from the perspective of a frazzled never trump member of the republican intelligencia. hell it feels good in a way
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:it's ok to want to be monogamous in your own life but if your view is "non-monogamy is wrong" your username is correct op Why would I think non-monogamy is wrong, presuming that people are upfront about it? And even then, it'd be the deceit, and not the act of being non-monogamous. But back to the rolling disaster that is the Trump Whitehouse.
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