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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:I’d rather get cholera than cancer, but they’re both still bad. So I’m not reading the books you recommend OP Your loss, Lyonesse is high literature. I only highlighted the brutality because without even trying JV makes GRRM look like an edgelord bitch baby and still manages to give his work emotional depth and dramatic intensity.
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I liked Stephen King's Revival more than any of his other books in recent years.
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Sep 14, 2018 07:40
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and miss out on all the fieldshitting, milkdrinking and pink masting?
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Dogeh posted:Vance was definitely a writer of his time. "I have to take the time out of my busy schedule to go ahead and espouse about how unfair it is that I can't be cruel without recourse from peers" Why is this lovely take always here? I get that you're a knee-jerk reaction baby who can't stand the fact that people make you feel bad for saying stupid poo poo but you can cut the cord you FES polyp and understand that nuanced discussion is more than just admonishing people for saying things you dont like. "PC culture" isn't ruining everything thoughtless fuckwits exactly like you are ruining everyone's ability to engage one another because it's just so loving easy to throw out words like bigot or PC SJW CUCK and turn meaningful discussion into some new aged name calling for people who think they're adults. child raping ogre sounds metal as gently caress and I personally love tales that get dark like that. ALSO: NicE mELtdOwN
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SleepySonata posted:"I have to take the time out of my busy schedule to go ahead and espouse about how unfair it is that I can't be cruel without recourse from peers" I drank my own pee pee once.
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JebanyPedal posted:I drank my own pee pee once. What is it with guys and watersports?
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Cool but I don’t choose my entertainment for how brutal and edgy it is.
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Sep 14, 2018 09:52
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Game of Thrones has boobs. 
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any you n words ever have the chance to read The Shadow of the Torturer series? I can't give anything away because nothing is as it seems, but the Torturer is a basic station in everyday life. you can't extrapolate from there, you should just read The Shadow of the Torturer (1980) by Gene Wolfe
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Anybody have any grimdark recommendations that aren't hella white?
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SleepySonata posted:Anybody have any grimdark recommendations that aren't hella white? anytime between 1492-2018 from the colonized perspective
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Applewhite posted:Your loss, Lyonesse is high literature. I only highlighted the brutality because without even trying JV makes GRRM look like an edgelord bitch baby and still manages to give his work emotional depth and dramatic intensity. sounds like you just like murderporn, psycho
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SleepySonata posted:child raping ogre sounds metal as gently caress and I personally love tales that get dark like that. i feel like it's incredibly important to unspoiler this bit
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Blast of Confetti posted:sounds like you just like murderporn, psycho Most of it’s not murderporn. None of it is, really, but it gets dark like old time fairytales where they make the witch dance in hot iron shoes and poo poo and because the narrative is so skillfully conveyed the violence has a real and visceral emotional impact. I didn’t mean to tout the brutality as a selling point of the series, just that it stood out as remarkable to me that in this era where we are so desensitized to sex and violence that a book written before I was born could shock me. It really put in perspective just how juvenile so-called “gritty” and “mature” fiction really is when this book written in fanciful prose has the power to convey so much greater a depth of emotion, suspense and violence.
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free hubcaps posted:cugel is the best and most relatable protagonist in all of fantasy fiction Yesssss. Lie always, manipulate, shank people, sleep around, and once you're busted run off with all the loot. I couldn't finish the Rhialto stuff. That was poo poo.
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Sep 14, 2018 12:33
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I refuse to read ANY book let alone one that would be recommended by the OP.
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Sep 14, 2018 12:34
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I exclusively read double slash torture fanfics in the EverQuest universe written by virgins who have never left their house. It's definitely more hardcore than whatever you're reading. They have to order delivery on everything.
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Sorry man im still getting into the Culture books because of SA, one series at a time please
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free hubcaps posted:cugel is the best and most relatable protagonist in all of fantasy fiction I really love Vance's style regarding morality of his characters. Never saw another author nail it quite so. Basically a lot of characters understand morality on intellectual level quite well, and can argue it quite eloquently when it suits them, but they are so obviously insincere and blatantly selfish it its just funny. It's like a staple of Dying Earth world, and often comes up in other books too.
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She's dead - wrapped in plastic
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Sekenr posted:I really love Vance's style regarding morality of his characters. Never saw another author nail it quite so. Basically a lot of characters understand morality on intellectual level quite well, and can argue it quite eloquently when it suits them, but they are so obviously insincere and blatantly selfish it its just funny. They also constantly seem to ignore or forget past wrongs they have done to others when it's time to ask a favor. To person he literally sodomized a few pages ago: Prithee, friend, would you mind throwing me a rope so that I can hie myself thither from this oubliette? I seem to be caught in a bit of a perplexment. The dude he raped: lol you must be kidding. Get hosed.
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jack vance, vance refrigeration
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You know what the most brutal book ever is? The Bible. You should try reading it sometime op.
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Gaunab posted:You know what the most brutal book ever is? The Bible. You should try reading it sometime op. My sister in law once tried to get me to read Revelations by telling me it was “the ultimate sci fi story.” She was telling me this in response to my wife’s and my enthusiasm for Kurt Vonnegut’s Sirens of Titan. She was horrified by our description of “the Church of God the Utterly Indifferent.”
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Applewhite posted:I'll admit to having only a limited knowledge of the shenanigans that take place in GoT on account of the books are so terrible I can hardly stand to read them, but I'd wager they barely hold a candle to the cruelties Jack Vance wreaks upon his hapless characters. GRRM writes nuncle and jape a lot
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Sep 14, 2018 15:40
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wow cool the guy raped another guy, will def avoid the poo poo book thanks op
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Sep 14, 2018 16:32
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Jack Vance does beautiful dark comedy with horror lurking just beneath the surface. Tales of the Dying Earth is just the best.
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Chrs Gry posted:Cool but I don’t choose my entertainment for how brutal and edgy it is. I do. What's the most sickening, gruesome, rape-laden, "that writer belongs in prison" fantasy or sci-fi books y'all can recommend? Literary merit completely optional.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:I do. The Bible was already mentioned.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:I do. Ever hear of GRRM A Song of Ice and Fire? Lemme tell ya something, that piggy ain't right.
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Colonel Cancer posted:Ever hear of GRRM A Song of Ice and Fire? Lemme tell ya something, that piggy ain't right. 10,000 pages of bearded rapists with really similar sounding names is all that is. Basically I want a horror story in a medieval fantasy setting, or a cannibal corpse album cover with dwarves and elves and poo poo. I'm very depressed right now.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Jack Vance does beautiful dark comedy with horror lurking just beneath the surface. He really made magic weird and wonderful. I think only Zelazny could top him for making it really mind-blowing.
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Eh just go read Ian banks the wasp factory.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:10,000 pages of bearded rapists with really similar sounding names is all that is. Basically I want a horror story in a medieval fantasy setting, or a cannibal corpse album cover with dwarves and elves and poo poo. I'm very depressed right now. Try "Between Two Fires", it's a story set in Medieval France during the plague years with weird magical elements. Lots of strange poo poo happens which swings between kind of dark comedy to pretty hosed up horror in tone. EDIT There's also "The Broken Sword" if you want a fantasy story that is just completely hosed up and hopeless in every way. Bob Quixote fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Sep 15, 2018 |
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i read his Dying Earth stories and they were pretty good. he's got good inventiveness but mediocre prose. grrm's strength is his characterization, also with mediocre prose.
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Ocean Book posted:i read his Dying Earth stories and they were pretty good. he's got good inventiveness but mediocre prose. grrm's strength is his characterization, also with mediocre prose. I'd rank Jack Vance's prose several tiers above GRRM. JV is no Ursula K. LeGuinn but I dunno if I'd describe him as "mediocre."
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Sep 15, 2018 01:39
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Applewhite posted:I'd rank Jack Vance's prose several tiers above GRRM. JV is no Ursula K. LeGuinn but I dunno if I'd describe him as "mediocre." in fairness i considered some books ive read and i cant think of a book that id describe as having either strong or weak prose, I think maybe i dont know how to give a good evaluation
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Ocean Book posted:in fairness i considered some books ive read and i cant think of a book that id describe as having either strong or weak prose, I think maybe i dont know how to give a good evaluation I'm no good at judging prose quality myself and it seems like it would be something that's really subjective anyway. There's a lot of stuff out there that's obviously trash at a glance, but trying to sift out the difference between "Objectively High-Art Tier Good" and "I found this really entertaining" is just way too much of a pain in the rear end for me.
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