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There is literally a thread in TBB trashing the prose of sci fi/fantasy. Probably best not to bother reading it if you don't wanna waste your time though.
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bad prose: Captain Bezu Fache carried himself like an angry ox, with his wide shoulders thrown back and his chin tucked hard into his chest. His dark hair was slicked back with oil, accentuating an arrow-like widow's peak that divided his jutting brow and preceded him like the prow of a battleship. As he advanced, his dark eyes seemed to scorch the earth before him, radiating a fiery clarity that forecast his reputation for unblinking severity in all matters. good prose: Probably less than thirty and there's nothing they can throw at him that he hasn't fielded before. A pro: Rabbit can respect that. But how did he let himself get queer?
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Sep 15, 2018 02:43
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lol genre fiction
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:There is literally a thread in TBB trashing the prose of sci fi/fantasy. Probably best not to bother reading it if you don't wanna waste your time though. I pretty much exclusively read genre trash like crime novels or Napoleonic naval stories or something with swords and/or spaceships on the cover.
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Sep 15, 2018 03:17
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Bob Quixote posted:I pretty much exclusively read genre trash like crime novels or Napoleonic naval stories or something with swords and/or spaceships on the cover. Oh I like that stuff too. Have you ever read a loving Matthew Reilly book? By the last chapter every other sentence has exclamation marks!!!!!!!
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Sep 15, 2018 03:40
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Oh I like that stuff too. Have you ever read a loving Matthew Reilly book? By the last chapter every other sentence has exclamation marks!!!!!!! I have not, but I remember seeing The Great Zoo of China when it first came out and the cover blurb made it sound like Jurassic Park but with dragons which sounds idiotic in a way that I'd probably enjoy.
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Sep 15, 2018 03:57
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Bob Quixote posted:I have not, but I remember seeing The Great Zoo of China when it first came out and the cover blurb made it sound like Jurassic Park but with dragons which sounds idiotic in a way that I'd probably enjoy. the existence of dragonriders of pern violently reenters my consciousness
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this guy's prose about prison rape and brutal roture is so fuckin magnificent just beautiful sentences about 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I think I’ve accidentally conveyed to some people who don’t read very carefully that Lyonesse is wall to wall gory action. Most of it is pseudo-Arthurian fantasy about princesses and knights and wizards. However, in the spirit of the original tales from which it draws inspiration, violence and torture are sometimes casually inflicted by or upon the main characters. JV does not describe the scenes in gruesome, breathless detail as one would see in so-called “murder porn.” But despite the often succinct manner of the description, JV does such a good job of making the reader interested in the characters that even a cursory description of violence or wrong done to them carries more emotional impact than pages and pages of drool-speckled “grimdark” fantasy from contemporary authors. The shock of one such scene jarred me so much that I was prompted to make the OP, which reflects my state of mind at the time (which was “holy poo poo, this is darker than GoT!”).
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Sep 15, 2018 06:41
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Imo the greatest dark fantasy author was Albert Fish what a master at evoking crazy stuff, you remember the part where he cooked the kids' butts?
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JebanyPedal posted:I don't like Fantasy because it sucks and doesn't have the political or sub-textual complexity of Sci-Fi this is probably a bad opinion since I'm biased but I don't really want to bother reading through a fuckton of garbo Fantasy recommendations in order to find something I actually find tolerable. Skip the first three books in the discworld series, it's socially conscious as gently caress and the only actual honest treatment of urban society in fantasy literature. pratchett was a once-in-a-generation talent.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Skip the first three books in the discworld series, it's socially conscious as gently caress and the only actual honest treatment of urban society in fantasy literature. pratchett was a once-in-a-generation talent. RIP one of the greatest
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Applewhite posted:I think I’ve accidentally conveyed to some people who don’t read very carefully that Lyonesse is wall to wall gory action. I was gonna poke fun about introducing yourself to a potential date by asking 'can I choke you?' but judging from the tinder thread it works so
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thoughts and prayers posted:I was gonna poke fun about introducing yourself to a potential date by asking 'can I choke you?' but judging from the tinder thread it works so Pffft I wish someone would just introduce themselves with a "is it cool if I choke you?" Tinder is full of vanilla fuckbois and princesses.
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SleepySonata posted:"I have to take the time out of my busy schedule to go ahead and espouse about how unfair it is that I can't be cruel without recourse from peers" theres a big difference between being cruel and writing about fictional cruelty you idiot
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It's called normalization you dingleberry
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SleepySonata posted:It's called normalization you dingleberry Boy I can't wait to live in your gray colorless future utopia that pretends human nature will go away if we morally shame people enough Also, you're misusing normalization HTH
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There are instances out there where hosed up things happen in a story (torture, gruesome death, sexual assault, etc.) and a small, but vocal, minority of people assume that the author is advocating for those things but that's kind of a blip in the radar compared to the number of actual legitimately terrible poo poo that some writers put into their work which does deserve to be criticized only for the criticism to be dismissed as PC thought policing by fans of the work. I've read and enjoyed a lot of books by famously racist/sexist/lovely-person-all-around authors and I'd say overall that its not their bigotry that made their writing good in the first place, so the anti-PC thing seems like kind of a weird hill to die on. I also get that you can't really divorce someones worldview from how they write and what they choose to write about - maybe Lovecraft and Howard and all those other old influential pulp authors wouldn't have written the stories that they did if they didn't have such hosed up views, but that doesn't mean that those hosed up views are the elements that people liked most about their work and if they had omitted those elements from their work they would probably be better and more accessible to a wider modern audience. You can do cosmic horror without having to throw in "and that's why all the non-whites are secretly members of evil cults out to destroy civilization" or write action filled gritty fantasy without taking time to go on about the "savage animal like qualities" of non-white antagonists.
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a friend of mine lent me the first black company book it was bad there are apparently 9(!) books in the series. they are apparently making a tv show now. so there you go - another DaRk FaNtAsY with gratuitous rape, violence, and a completely forgettable story
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I read a bunch of those GoT books because goons said it was good. Then I read a bunch of The Expanse books because goons said they were good. I don't know why goons are loving with me in particular, but I'm not falling for it a third time.
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If I was a powerful wizard in these universes I would use my magic to prevent rape, not cause it
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house of the dad posted:If I was a powerful wizard in these universes I would use my magic to prevent rape, not cause it I’d make a golem made out of pussies that kills rapists
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house of the dad posted:If I was a powerful wizard in these universes I would use my magic to prevent rape, not cause it Yeah mind rape the rapists into being upstanding citizens.
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Yeah but have you guys read Harry potter?
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Which is the one with dire wolfs in it? Because I'm all about that.
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:a friend of mine lent me the first black company book Black Company is actually really good and the tv show is going to explode harder than neo tokyo
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Bob Quixote posted:There are instances out there where hosed up things happen in a story (torture, gruesome death, sexual assault, etc.) and a small, but vocal, minority of people assume that the author is advocating for those things but that's kind of a blip in the radar compared to the number of actual legitimately terrible poo poo that some writers put into their work which does deserve to be criticized only for the criticism to be dismissed as PC thought policing by fans of the work. Agreed, They grew up in poo poo times and hence a lot of poo poo rubbed off even on the best of them. But, the thing about 'those elements' is that those are almost always the impetus for the most astounding art. It's a crucible for an artist to come to terms with how horrifying reality can be, and it's inevitable for those things to permeate your work no matter your intentions. I'm old enough to remember reading stuff from the 80's that was 'fine' and it seems detestable today. And I bet money in 30 years much of the stuff you treasure today will seem hosed up, barbaric, and sad in ways that you can't even perceive now. That's what happens. It's progress. So, you're not wrong. But your idea that writers can somehow 'not have hosed up views' is...idealistic.
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sounds good op but have you read the electric retard? it was authored by the same guy who made keyboard goop so you know its good
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:a friend of mine lent me the first black company book The Black Company was the biggest disappointment since the Last Airbender movie. It’s opening page was so awesome I bought it and two sequels right there, then it turns into barely readable poo poo immediately afterward.
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Frankenstyle posted:I read a bunch of those GoT books because goons said it was good. Then I read a bunch of The Expanse books because goons said they were good. I don't know why goons are loving with me in particular, but I'm not falling for it a third time. I know you’re lying because goons never say anything popular is good. Don’t try to blame GBS for your basic-rear end reading list.
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thoughts and prayers posted:Agreed, They grew up in poo poo times and hence a lot of poo poo rubbed off even on the best of them. Maybe Lovecraft did conceive of cosmic horror because he was just balls out terrified of The Other, but its not like a bleak nihilistic worldview was unique to him in the history of literature - he just applied it in a pretty novel way to a science-fantasy universe that he created and shared with his other writer friends. There are authors who followed him who were influenced by his work and are able to do interesting things with the concepts of the genre without needing to dip into weird racial neuroses, so its not something essential to the style even if it could have been a factor in its conception. I see a similar idea come up a lot for things like "if we had antipsychotic drugs in the 1800's then there'd be no Van Gogh paintings" as a way to romanticize mental illness as a quirky/tragic font of creativity instead of a hosed up situation that kind of cripples you in a lot ways, including creatively. So to me the idea that a writer needs to be kind of a hosed up misanthrope to be unique and original seems to imply that art is some kind of mutation triggered into existence by trauma and not a craft that you hone over time. And yeah, no doubt I'm going to be some kind of twisted monster to the people who come along in a generation or two because of my horrible views (robots AREN'T people), but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't try to examine stuff anyway. I mean, I don't even really like literary criticisms or Marxist readings of popular texts or any of that boring academic bullshit, I just think that its okay to be able to point out a bit of a thing you like and say "hey, that's pretty hosed up" without it having to become this huge political statement that you have to be ready to fight to the death over.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Skip the first three books in the discworld series, it's socially conscious as gently caress and the only actual honest treatment of urban society in fantasy literature. pratchett was a once-in-a-generation talent. I've read them and they're good af. I was also a big fan of the Adventure games they put out like Discworld Noir.
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Former DILF posted:and miss out on all the fieldshitting, milkdrinking and pink masting? Uhh im not sure i want to know what these terms mean
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Dogeh posted:I have the trilogy and love it. agrh man the fuckin pc crowd. what exactly would they hate about it?
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Jose Mengelez posted:agrh man the fuckin pc crowd. what exactly would they hate about it? The Lyonesse trilogy is a console exclusive and there are currently no plans to release it for PC.
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Bob Quixote posted:I see a similar idea come up a lot for things like "if we had antipsychotic drugs in the 1800's then there'd be no Van Gogh paintings" as a way to romanticize mental illness as a quirky/tragic font of creativity instead of a hosed up situation that kind of cripples you in a lot ways, including creatively. So to me the idea that a writer needs to be kind of a hosed up misanthrope to be unique and original seems to imply that art is some kind of mutation triggered into existence by trauma and not a craft that you hone over time. That crack about the drugs is reaching. Where's the nuanced possibility of 'maybe modern antipsychotics would have kept him from cutting his ear off, and committing suicide'? I never said they needed it, I said it happens almost always often alongside it in the most revered artists. It's a subtle but important distinction. Current research supports this - mental illnesses like schizophrenia / bipolar are over-represented in the arts. Does that mean I said bi-polar is necessary for successful artists? Hardly. Talent is talent and many people have it. But, having a disorder that makes you obsessive, less social, and prone to bursts of furious productivity is, in the right doses, a beneficial trait for an artist - and makes you less likely to find a place in a regimented, normal, 'boring' world. If you look at the peak achievers in any field, you will find very few happy, well-adjusted, normal people. You find a lot of unhappy spouses and family members that got used up along the way to fuel the artist's ambitions. You'll also find a lot of overshadowed people that were almost, but not quite as good, and lots of 'called but not chosen' types that washed out and died. That's life. There's never one answer. And the people that seem to ascribe that type of thinking to others are the ones doing it the most themselves.
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