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Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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Astroman posted:

Also Americans don't forget, it will be simulcast in the afternoon on

so we can all livepost internationally!


If only we had a wiki entry for "Times Doctor Who Was Ruined Forever" to add this to. :sigh:

there's not a lot of things I support every wiki picking up from the transformers wiki, but that is in fact one of them

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Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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cargohills posted:

The tooth-man said that it was what gave him permission to land on Earth.

he said he was given permission, Ryan (I think it was Ryan?) just assumed the permission was via the Dr. Strange button

the Dr. Strange button might be totally unrelated, and the source of the permission could be a bigger mystery for later

or not, I dunno it just sounds like a very Doctor Who way of having a mystery the audience doesn't realize is a mystery until it is

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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oh also those opaque goggles 13 was wearing when she was doing the mad scientist thing need to make a comeback

I mean, the mad scientist tinkering together a sonic screwdriver/teleporter/in general needs to keep happening but those goggles need to be part of it

goggles are cool

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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Peeny Cheez posted:

We like to dream big, don't we?

yeah I eagerly anticipate nerds tripping over themselves to exaggerate the smallest poo poo and/or make up flaws wholesale to justify their conclusions about DOCTOR WOMAN, BAD DOCTOR

edit: they're going to keep watching, just don't expect them to admit to liking it

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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spog posted:

At the very real risk of being 'that guy', did the new screwdriver design remind any other viewers of something else?

no, no one in history since the moment the new sonic was shown has made that observation

you are totally the first

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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Pastamania posted:

the button

I'm not totally convinced the button has anything to do with Tim Shaw, who may have gotten "permission" elsewhere and Companion #1 just assumed the two were connected

like, I wouldn't stake a bet on it, but "who ACTUALLY granted permission to gently caress with earth" smells like a Doctor Who seasonal mystery to me

if someone else vaguely mentions "I was given permission to (do something horrible)" in a future episode I'm gonna act like I was more confident about this though

not related to that, I'm laughing about the "unrealistic coincidence" thing

what are the odds that Amy happened to be dating the nurse at the hospital where the monster was attacking in the first Matt Smith episode, huh, what an unrealistic coincidence

I play tabletop games on Tuesdays IRL with two guys that work at the exact same pawn shop, and all three of us used to deal blackjack for the same casino; I have worked with the wife of one local cop, and am friends with the brother of a different local cop, what a series of unrealistic coincidences

smaaaall toooowns

Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Oct 8, 2018

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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how did she survive the fall into the train? the doctor's been killed mid-regeneration before, and a fall from that height should totally have done it. in this essay

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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I'm still kinda sad I didn't get straight up Oswin-Oswald-as-a-Dalek as a companion

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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yeah, I WISH my family were that supportive of poo poo I have physical or mental problems with instead of just like

laughing at me about it

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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the anti-gun sentiment, at least, doesn't feel as grating as HE'S A SOLDIER YOU CAN'T DATE A SOLDIER

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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I had no idea who Catherine Tate was going in and I loved her

companions that don't buy the Doctor's bullshit are a delight

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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THE PANDORICA WILL OPEN

SILENCE WILL FALL

MY IMPOSSIBLE GRILL

THE PROMISED LAND

yeah, I really hope we're not going to be hearing about the timeless child every other episode, like half the season-wide mysteries turned out to be wet farts

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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Wheat Loaf posted:

:smith: "I don't want to be part of this."

this got me a lot harder than I thought it would

also the vague nature of time criminal's past, his being pastblasted and his "you people" "stop you all from rising above yourselves" possibly being a fake out (given the context of the episode it makes sense for him to be talking about... well... yeah, but it crossed my mind he could be addressing humankind as a whole) (especially right after an episode where two different aliens looked like humans)

dude's definitely coming back

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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yeah, I would rather have an episode with its heart in the right place be a bit on the nose, than some of the alternatives we've gotten previously

the more I think about it, the more "dude with a time vortex and a chip that prevents him from being violent" sounds like an amazing foil for the Doctor, but drat if that guy doesn't need to be fleshed out more

it also weirded me out because when he knocked on the tardis door

he knocked four times

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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Nodosaur posted:

I've grown up in the Midwest, specifically might-as-well-be-the-Deep-South Missouri.

The villain did not need to be "fleshed out". He is very, very, very real portrayal of people that very much exist.

I mean, I live in Oklahoma

I just didn't feel like Jacket Man was as threatening or as sinister as, say, the regular people in the episode (who were accurately portrayed as vile pieces of poo poo)

...and to be fair, that could be done intentionally; a single boogeyman with a space gun ISN'T as genuinely terrifying or infuriating as institutional racism or a culture built on relishing its own ignorance, a system that relies on otherization to keep its populace in line--often great evils aren't committed by a single monster, but an inch at a time, a little every day by awful loving people that make up the general population accepting the atrocious because it's easier than changing

I just... think it might be less that, and more that the main villain was kind of a weak sell

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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SimplyCosmic posted:

Technically, that's correct as written. No matter how racist he is, he can't hurt anyone. The "wholesome white folk" not only could do so, their society encouraged it.

What makes him so dangerous isn't his ability to threaten harm, it's his knowledge of the events to occur and how he only needs to tip things slightly to get what he wants.

Richard Spencer or Steven Miller aren't particularly threatening in person, but they are dangerous for what they can encourage.

I haven't seen much of Steven Miller, but Spencer absolutely does feel like a loving villain when he talks

like, even knowing full well the guy can't take a punch, toxicity and sheer evil practically seep from his pores, the dude is ominous

Jacket guy was obviously doing something with hateful intent, he just felt really bland to me while he was doing it. The vileness behind his actions didn't come through in his acting or his dialogue, he was just... a guy, doing a really hosed up thing, whereas everyone else felt like truly lovely people being truly lovely. Again, that could be a meta-thing, as the people that do hosed up poo poo often DON'T come off like supervillains (Spencer excluded, that guy could sport a cape and it would fit), it just felt weird to me personally that the time travelling supercriminal with the displacement blaster was as low key as he was

edit: Even when he outright admitted he was doing this of his own volition after doing some thinking in space jail, he still acted like it was just a job for him. Like, he was so straight forward, so emotionally vacant, if it hadn't been spelled out that this was his idea I would have believed he'd been hired to do it.

Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Oct 22, 2018

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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Standard Measure posted:

They were straight up aliens? I thought the point was it had been so long that humanity had forgotten where it came from.

in addition to having never heard of humans, they drew a definite line between Albarians and Muxterans. Could just be a cultural divide, though

edit: though that doesn't preclude Jacket Man having a vendetta against humankind, I guess

Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Oct 22, 2018

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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yeah I really want to like Yaz but she's not giving me enough to work with, she is a cool cop and needs to do more

Graham is everything I wanted from an atypical companion and then some, dude is owning it

Ryan is okay but Graham needs him to play off of so I will be patient

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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I'm one of the folks that was speculating Time Greaser was talking about humankind en masse, but it was idle speculation

I'm not disappointed it turned out otherwise, my complaints about him as a villain had to do with his acting and writing, not his motivations

I'm also not shocked the Doctor Who future isn't racism free, though I was maybe a little hopeful; I would like to fantasize about a distant era where people can be maybe not be garbage, I understand that's not a realistic, pertinent, or especially interesting story to tell... just a man can dream, if people can travel through space and time in a blue box, maybe someday we as a species can get our heads out of our collective asses

that's not some neo-liberal naivety on my part, most of my family still drops N bombs in casual conversations and I know full well that's never going to change

I just like to dream

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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I got real sad halfway through typing that

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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I'm just watching the new episode now, but I wanted to note I'm starting to figure out why people are getting different specific vibes from new Doctor

it's the phrases

I caught a couple of "love a _____"s in the last few episodes, which reminded me of Tennant--love me a big locked door, love a good hologram, I do love a good stasis chamber, etc; Smith threw "lovely" around as an adjective a lot, but didn't do the "I love (thing)" as much as Tennant did

this episode's "imagine me with a couch" hit me as Eccleston--like, his "imagine me with no head" during his regeneration immediately sprung to mind, even if that's the only time he said it I can't remember any other Doctors using that phrasing

it's small, but I think the Doctors' choice of words (in addition to Whittaker's acting) is going a long way to provoke those resemblances to previous Doctors, just a random thought I had

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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alright I finished watching and catching up on the thread

I agree they could have used a little... I dunno, something here and there to wrap this up better. Leaving the little spiders in the safe room to eventually die on their own seems bad; a quick scene of the Doctor releasing them on some other huge spider planet or something would have been nice. I wish the Doctor and/or the spider researcher would have started to come up with an alternate plan to humanely put the giant spider down when Not-Trump burst in, because as it stands... yeah, I would rather take a bullet to the dome than suffocate, maybe it's just me thanks

the guns, the racism, the emphasis on cheating/cutting corners to achieve power at the expense of others... I really feel like this whole season is leading to the Doctor fighting America, just all of it, the whole country

I kid but if the Trump analogue doesn't end up teaming with the time racist I will be loving stunned, this social commentary pretty much writes itself

I think the writers have forgotten Yaz is a cop but overall I liked this episode a lot

edit: oh poo poo I should mention since I was bonering out about how things are phrased earlier (also good call that Whittaker's rant was very 11, I was too caught up on the specific wording reminding me of 9 but the context was 11 as hell), the Pseudo-Trump trumped really well--his choice of words and where he put his emphasis was like, some dumb hand motions and squinting away from being too analogous

Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Oct 29, 2018

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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obviously, the mutations caused the spiders to also develop an excess of antiphysicsium (possibly radioactive doses of fuckrealitum), which was unable to keep up past a certain size (thus the suffocating not happening at chonk levels but kicking in at LAWD HE COMIN size)

can't wait for my spin off where a team of spiders skateboard and fight crime

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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I feel like the babydad bit was only done so they could have the cheap juxtaposition of a person dying and a person being born within a jump cut of each other

the miracle of birth, then say some words for the dead, thinkingsmiley.jpg

otherwise pretty much backing what other people are saying. I thought it was one of the better episodes in this season, but that's... not a high bar just yet. They could easily have given the Doctor a way to scrounge up some rudimentary Bomb Restraint Breaking Tool out of random surgical equipment and medical supplies, instead of having the sonic screwdriver magically start itself back up. She was also surprised that it did that, which is silly when she built the drat thing herself

I didn't mind the gremlin being cute, and I think the "it's not here to hurt us, it just wants to LIVE" gimmick was handled way, way better than it was with the spiders. ...It's just bad form to do one right after the other.

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Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

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I loved this episode until I sat down and thought about it afterward

the political stuff's been... pretty thoroughly covered and I can't contribute much more in that regard, but

okay so the system can send one (1) robot man in to try and choke out Charlie while the rest of the gang is present to defend him, why couldn't it do that when Charlie was by himself, maybe even like... sending way more robots to do it. System clearly has no issue murdering somebody, just kill Charlie the second he's busy unclogging a shitter somewhere

Charlie helping Graham get a map of the facility feels real weird in retrospect. If my ultimate plan to build a robot army in the basement is juuust about to come to fruition, helping this mysterious stranger learn the entire layout of the building might be a bad idea?

Why is there liquification goo in the basement--did Charlie teleport a big ol' tub of it down there and no one noticed?--why doesn't it liquify the ankle monitors, why are no efforts made to dispose of the ankle monitors after the rest of the evidence is so meticulously disposed of, why do the ankle monitors read as online still

"the system has a conscience," she says, like two minutes after the system straight up murdered someone

with exploding bubble wrap, which the system could get access to independent of Charlie and without him even being aware of it until it was too late, why could the robots not just kill Charl--wait I already did that one, why didn't the two robots with access to the exploding bubble wrap and freedom to teleport around without Charlie's awareness not just like, take that poo poo to the Doctor (whom the system can locate at all times), I know if a robot walked up to me and handed me bubble wrap for no reason I'd start asking questions

I know it's a cheesy sci-fi show and there's gonna be a plot hole here and there, but like this whole episode is just kind of haphazardly stapled together

edit: The interrogation room they put the girl in had chairs, right? Am I remembering that right? Why the hell did it have chairs? Why the hell was there an interrogation room? They said nobody goes down there, is this Charlie's secret break room or

Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Nov 20, 2018

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