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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fQuEqwQ2I4 The Situation https://twitter.com/infinite_scream/status/1049346564131573760 Last week(Oct 6 2018) Kavanaugh was confirmed to be on the Supreme Court, finalizing decades of work on the behalf of the Republican Party. Having realized that they would never consistently win fair elections in the pluralistic society at large, the Republicans have spent decades disenfranchising Americans through the Drug War, through gerrymandering, through court rulings, and now finally with this confirmation. What’s the primary operating principle? White people - and preferably white rural people - are the voters. As such, the Voting Rights Act has been gutted, our justice system focuses disproportionately on people of color and removing them from the voting pool, and the surviving voters are divided into districts which entail Republican controlled legislatures in 31 states and Republican controlled governments in 24 states. And yet, there are fifteen million more votes for the Democratic party. They don’t have the votes. And yet, they are winning. https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1048313471002189824 https://twitter.com/missmayn/status/1048256301334024193 https://twitter.com/NormOrnstein/status/1016789064379334656 The Stakes In the past, electoral discussions were .. less rancorous. Whether due to the Cold War (and the imminent threat of extinction) or whatever reason, the government could largely be considered to be functioning, and that to be a good thing. That was all before I (and most of you) was born. Since then, Reagan said government was the problem, and then Gingrich began his aggressive approach to intra-party politics. From there we went to the War on Terror, Karl Rove and swift boating. The first generation of that, I don’t think really believed in what they were saying. It was a gimmick to get votes, red meat for the base. Fox News ran with it (starting in the same era as Gingrich) and became the number one cable news on television. Now, ten and twenty years later, the current batch have been fed a lifetime of red meat, and they really do view us as the enemy. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1048745061888880640 https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/1048660630725640194 So, they are outnumbered, terrified, and oh yeah control the Federal Government and most of the states. What are we looking at then? Well, we’ve got children concentration camps already, aggressive moves against the right to choose, the right to organize, protest, or form unions, challenges to Obamacare, the increasing wealth gap, increasing prison population, and of course the end of the world. https://twitter.com/CoralMDavenport/status/1049102746207444992 What to do? The biggest thing I’m seeing is a sense of hopelessness. Just sheer loving despair. Human rights are losing across the board, we’re disenfranchised en masse, the system is built to crush us, and the owners/rulers of our planet are burning it down to ‘own the libs’. As long as we’re hurting, they are happy even if they are hurting. And there’s a lot of hurt to go around. First and most urgent priority, vote. Election is less than a month away. Make sure you are registered to vote. Look up early voting times. My state, they like to purge the voter rolls now and again, so I check if I’m still registered every month or so. And I want to emphasize this: this isn’t just a one time thing, nor is it the big hurdle. It’s the goddamn loving minimum, and it’s the rest of your life. The death cultists who run the country are really good at getting out consistently, every election, off year, primary, everytime. Call it twice a year, like clockwork. And they take advantage of the fact that we only go out for the presidential election, if we are excited about the candidate. That has to change if we’re going to survive this. And I’m not being rhetorical when I say ‘survive this.’ They want to kill us. By words and deeds, they’ve been showing us this by thirty years. We’re in a fight to the death and they’ve already gotten half a dozen punches in, because we thought this was a civilized society and they know it’s a murder. I think everyone can agree now that they are loving serious. So, vote. Get everyone you know to vote. Make sure everyone is registered, knows the nearest polling place, when early election is. Some states have voter ID. Some voters need a ride. Some people just get overwhelmed by the whole process, you can walk them through it. From now on. Every election. Every primary. That’s the immediate triage, what you can do RIGHT NOW. That’s dealing with the sucking chest wound while we’ve got other knife injuries, and Mr Stabby is coming back for another round. And for that, we need to Organize. One of the big innovations that came out of this was how the NRA and the Tea Party approached things. Challenge every primary, make it swing to the right. Enforce ideological purity. If someone didn’t toe the line while in office, primary him. And once he got to the general election, vote for him. On the Dem side, we haven’t historically done that. And it’s one of the reasons we’ve gotten the current batch of Dems - centrists who want to cross the aisle and pretend they are in a Sorkin show. They don’t understand why they keep getting knifed, but they are going to keep trying, because that’s what you do in the Sorkin-verse. They don’t understand it’s Quentin Tarantino. And while I am saying RIGHT NOW vote for a dem no matter who it is, in six weeks I’m going to be encouraging primaries like a motherfucker. We need to promote actual progressives and leftists who are willing to get into a knife fight. Justice Democrats tend to focus on national elections Our Revolution tend to focus on state and local elections Real Justice PAC focuses on electing District Attorneys. And of course, D&D favorite Democratic Socialists of America. Even have their own dedicated thread. If you are considering running yourself, we even have support for that. Protecting Democracy https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/1048303187994824706 https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1048674274146443265 It’s not enough to simply win the next election or two, we have to lock in the changes by which the majority of people get the majority of influence when it comes to determining policy. The three branches of government are have built-in advantages for the minority when it comes to getting into power, and that needs to be addressed immediately. The Supreme Court is the easiest. There is no constitutional requirement regarding the number of Justices, which means four can be added the moment the Democratic party is in control. This balances out the four judges chosen by minority presidents (Bush and Trump), and also equals the number of Appellate Courts (and thirteen original colonies). The Electoral college is built into the Constitution, but states may determine how those votes are allocated. This means that the Democratic Party would need to take the legislatures of individual states, and allocate to the popular winner. If this had been in place in the last twenty years, we would have had Gore and Clinton, not Bush and Trump. Again, this is one of the big reasons to vote in every election. For the Senate, two senators per state is inherently undemocratic. A handful of senators from low populace states can have more influence than senators representing ten times as many people. However, it is extremely difficult to remove statehood status or senators, so new states must be added - and that is a lot easier. Added DC, Puerto Rico, and Guam adds 6 senators, and gives representation to four million people who didn’t have it. For the House, the number of voting representatives (435) is set by law, which means it can be fixed the same way. Applying the Wyoming Rule would make the representatives proportional to the smallest state, which is currently Wyoming. This would add more than one hundred Representatives to the House, granting additional power to the more populated states. Finally, this expanded Congress and SCOTUS can update and reinforce the Voting Rights Act that was gutted in Shelby. Something that kills gerrymandering and makes voting a right of every citizen, as well as improving options for early voting, mail-in voting, and all the other ways to have your voice be heard. It’s November 7 2018. Now what? So, we’ve had our election. Trump is still in office, and we probably didn’t take the Senate. All those nice things we dreamed about haven’t happened yet. The fight continues. Primaries will be starting soon, and we need to ensure that the left-most democrat wins that primary. In the general in 2020, vote for the dem. Voting is life. But Loel! That’s months away, and I’m feeling helpless and furious! What can I do now? Fortunately for you, we’ve got a hundred issues to choose from. Pick one. Hell, pick three. Fifteen dollar minimum wage. Sexual assault survivors Reproductive Health. Protecting Roe v Wade Felon enfranchisement and drug policy. Form a union. I’ll be adding more here as people suggest them. Don't have time but still want to participate? Even the little things can help. Not able to leave the house but able to phone bank? 5 calls. Don’t like calls but want to write your rep? Resist bot. Dont have time but have money? 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What if I've been doing all that stuff for 20 years (except voting D in general elections when I lived in an auto-D state, gently caress that) and don't feel like it makes any difference? What if when I say "I'm not going to take it" it's not some dumb platitude but it means I'm feeling just about ready to put my body on the line? I don't know how far we are from having enough people willing to risk bullets to actually make change happen, but we're getting closer all the time. I'll be there. It's the only way change is going to happen-not necessarily violent protest itself but at least the threat of it. Sure, in the meantime I'll vote D and phone bank all that to help to put a friendlier face on the crisis and tone down the exploitation a bit, but you're a complete joke (or more charitably, uncreative and lacking historical perspective) if the end result of "I'm mad as hell and not going to take it" is "voting is life". Edit: are you Jon Favreau or did you just copy-paste the transcript of hit podcast The Wilderness? SurgicalOntologist fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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SurgicalOntologist posted:What if I've been doing all that stuff for 20 years (except voting D in general elections when I lived in an auto-D state, gently caress that) and don't feel like it makes any difference? What if when I say "I'm not going to take it" it's not some dumb platitude but it means I'm feeling just about ready to put my body on the line? I don't know how far we are from having enough people willing to risk bullets to actually make change happen, but we're getting closer all the time. I'll be there. It's the only way change is going to happen-not necessarily violent protest itself but at least the threat of it. Sure, in the meantime I'll vote D and phone bank all that to help to put a friendlier face on the crisis and tone down the exploitation a bit, but you're a complete joke (or more charitably, uncreative and lacking historical perspective) if the end result of "I'm mad as hell and not going to take it" is "voting is life". Fantastic question. And yes, if we were in a sane/functional democracy, it would have made much more of a difference. Clinton won by three million votes, senators representing 180 million people lost to senators representing 140 million, on and on and on. The rule of the minority is built into the system (white slaveowners) and always has been. So when we talk about voting, we have to work twice as hard to get half as far. And we have to hit all 3 branches at the same time, strong enough to build some reinforcing layers such as the 19th Amendment or the Civil Rights Act. Even when we do, it’s a lot easier to lose that power, and to subsequently lose the progress made (ie, with Shelby) It can feel like Sisyphus. And the most common thing I see in political threads, and the most common thing I feel, is just exhaustion. A sense of futile hopelessness, that we gave it all, that we threw our bodies on the gears to slow the nomination down a week … and still lost. And now it’s #BeerWithBrett. So when we talk about voting, crawling across broken glass and all that - yes. It’s absolutely vital, mandatory. It’s crunch time. But we have to recognize, and accept, that we’re going to have to work twice as hard. We’re going to lose a lot of the time, we’re going to get that hopeless feeling, because the system isnt built for us. However - and this is a big however - crunch time stops. It can be very easy to slip into crisis mode, all the time. On this side of the fence, where we care about other people, have a sense of empathy, it can just be goddamn exhausting. ICE camps last week, Kavanaugh this week, some other horror next week. It never ends, and it feels like we can never win it. And here is where the diversity of tactics comes in. Just as vital as the crunch-time voting, is the self-care. After the 2016 election I took three months off from politics. No news, no facebook or SA threads, nothing. It’s important to recognize that you will burn out, that it’s okay to do so, and that the fight will still be there when you get back. Half of the Trump thread right now is just self-care advice, and that’s a good thing. Whether it’s working out, or the pet thread, or just being with friends, self care is a vital part of this. Your real question, though, I think is - what can we do besides voting? And it’s a great question, because the tradition in American politics is to tune in long enough to vote in the Presidential, and tune out for the next four years. I’m a political geek, I never tune out, but most people I spoke with (before 2016 anyway) didn’t care. It was my sportsball hobby that no one paid attention to. And, well. I will say that 2016 meant we started paying attention again  In the OP I toss out a few organizing groups to get the conversation going, and those are good - but they are still in the old traditions. Let’s organize. That’ll fix it. It’s a good tool in the toolkit, but it’s not the only tool. One thing I’ve been doing that fits my skill set has been educating. Here’s why you need to vote. Here’s why you need to pay attention. Incremental changes. We’ve got Beto O’Rourke competitive down here, so that’s been encouraging. What can we do besides voting? Depends on the person you are talking with. With the simply ignorant, education can help. You show them leftist ideas without the branding, they usually go all for it. ‘Work sucks, we should run things. We do all the work, we should say how things go.’ And so on. With the spiteful, people who just wanted to vote Trump cuz ‘gently caress youuuuuu’, those are easy enough to aim at a new audience. ‘It’s not just congress, its the owners of the society, who have the all the money and don’t work.’ Spite voters are pretty common in my experience, and I think someone like Avenatti will get a lot of them. For the actual nazis and white supremacists, gently caress em. Doxx them, get them fired, beat them in the streets. Make the social cost of being a public nazi too high for people to accept. And, of course, make alliances with like minded folks. One thing I’ve been watching closely is how BLM and antifa are reaching out for each other. I start from the ‘white anarchist’ tradition more so than BLM, but we can both agree cops suck. One thing I am excited by is how the Parkland kids are kicking rear end and taking names. I had essentially written off gun control as a dead issue after Sandy Hook (if dead girls won’t do it, nothing will), but these kids come in and flip the narrative. Turns out having a mean twitter game and an ability to crash sponsors can kill even the NRA Beyond all that - what is important to you at an individual level? Most people don’t want to go help an election campaign. But a lot of people have important issues to them. 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Bread Zeppelin posted:How do we make Senatorial districts based off of equal populations using Shortest Splitline Algorithm or some other automated boundary drawing? As long as 2 senators are representing arbitrary state boundaries with varying populations, this country is hosed. Legally speaking? Would take a constitutional amendment. Work around is adding more states that are likely to vote Dem, which lets poo poo actually get done. Martin Random posted:gently caress YOU NERDS Same 
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surely the answer is to find the one true compromise position that will bring the republicans to the table and get them to act in good faith for the benefit of the nation perhaps some sort of rousing speech or patriotic challenge to the citizens we must set aside our differences and work together; starting with bringing anyone who hasn't done exactly what we wanted to heel. i recommend a steady diet of chastisement and belittling ridicule to any non-voter who feels marginalized and unheard. second, we need a full assault on anyone who is politically active but seeks to support candidates with unrealistic ideology like "challenging power" and "improving peoples' lives." that nonsense has to go if we work together we can brutally force our democratic, means-tested solutions on everyone, while appeasing the opposition (who, like all good americans are actually our friends). this will lead us to a golden age of republican approved democratic rule
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RaySmuckles posted:surely the answer is to find the one true compromise position that will bring the republicans to the table and get them to act in good faith for the benefit of the nation Man you should work for the DNC, you've got their number down pat
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Loel posted:Legally speaking? Would take a constitutional amendment. Work around is adding more states that are likely to vote Dem, which lets poo poo actually get done. While we're at it, let's stack the courts with some judges that will rule that the house members per citizen must match the 1790 census and expand Congress to 9,458 seats 
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Loel posted:Man you should work for the DNC, you've got their number down pat nobody worth a poo poo works for the DNC example you anyway, keep going through your script you bloodless loving ghoul, whoever your master is
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Martin Random posted:nobody worth a poo poo works for the DNC Lmao. Bro, Im a communist. Get on my level.
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Loel posted:What can we do besides voting? Depends on the person you are talking with. Umm, I didn't have talking in mind either. Voting isn't going to do cut it, neither is talking. Loel posted:Lmao. Bro, Im a communist. Get on my level. You're a poo poo communist.
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Martin Random posted:gently caress YOU NERDS
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I mean, we can have a "Voting: When and how" thread in D&D but as long as the thread title is "You're mad as hell and not going to take it anymore" I'm going to make fun of it.
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Join DSA, do real things that aren't just pushing buttons in a voting booth and hoping the Dems try to fix things. Affect the world in a noticeable way. Change a brake light, irritate a public figure, reach out to communities that get ignored. Build some loving power that doesn't get filtered through a thousand cowardly lanyards. Even just showing up to a meeting and surrounding yourself with people who think like you do can help wash off the despair.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:I mean, we can have a "Voting: When and how" thread in D&D but as long as the thread title is "You're mad as hell and not going to take it anymore" I'm going to make fun of it. I mean it got my attention and helped me learn on some of the things I can do right the gently caress now so maybe you should stop your 'hah who even cares about things anyway' bs?
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I would probably put more trust and stock in the direct action elements, unionizing, working directly with people who need help, that sort of thing. Because that, I think, more firmly builds political consciousness than going out and saying "hey vote democrat".
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SurgicalOntologist posted:What if I've been doing all that stuff for 20 years (except voting D in general elections when I lived in an auto-D state, gently caress that) and don't feel like it makes any difference? What if when I say "I'm not going to take it" it's not some dumb platitude but it means I'm feeling just about ready to put my body on the line? I don't know how far we are from having enough people willing to risk bullets to actually make change happen, but we're getting closer all the time. I'll be there. It's the only way change is going to happen-not necessarily violent protest itself but at least the threat of it. Sure, in the meantime I'll vote D and phone bank all that to help to put a friendlier face on the crisis and tone down the exploitation a bit, but you're a complete joke (or more charitably, uncreative and lacking historical perspective) if the end result of "I'm mad as hell and not going to take it" is "voting is life". I'm not an expert but the answer is pretty well documented in westernish democratic-ish societies, eg south africa, nothern ireland and israel: you violently oppose the government (which generally but not necessarily includes violence against innocents), try to survive the following cycles of political violence and retributive crackdowns, then eventually after enough violence you'll wear the government down to the point that they negotiate with you. Hopefully the negotiations go well, or you're back to square one. personally I think there's a lot to be said for voting because decades of violence isnt particularly great even if your team wins.
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Effort post incoming, feel free to correct me on errors. We’re only 29 days out from the election and your candidates need you! The easiest way you can help a campaign is to ask for a yard sign. Yard signs are (usually) free and the campaign will deliver the sign to your location. If your house backs up on to a busy street, please tell us and you can get a giant yard sign for even more visibility. If you live on a corner and want two yard signs or think the neighbor kids will steal yours and want extras, just ask. This greatly improves awareness of the candidate and encourages people who know about your candidate but aren’t sure how well they’ll do in an election. Candidates usually will have a form on their website that you can fill out. You can also call the campaign office or just drop in. The second easiest thing you can do is donate! At least a few of the Democrats running this time around aren’t taking corporate PAC money and even the ones who do live off small dollar donations. There are several ways to donate, including just showing up at your campaign office with a check or cash. Contact your local campaign office and see what you can do to help. If you're in a safe district, great! Use the resources further up the thread to help out battleground areas or help out where you are for some fun with like-minded people. The resources you free up by volunteering in safe areas can be passed on to battleground districts. Check your local candidate's calendar to see what events are available and follow them on facebook and Twitter for stuff you might not find out about otherwise. Events like canvassing and call parties are incredibly heartening because you get to be in a room full of like-minded and motivated people. As an added bonus, call parties in coffee shops will often get you free coffee. We also need people to help deliver signs. Canvassing from here on out will probably be every day of the week, rain or shine with multiple shifts during the weekend. I was feeling really disheartened about Kavanaugh's upcoming confirmation on Friday, but knew I'd feel better if I went in and there were about 30 people who showed up to canvass in the rain on a weekday. If you're not sure what you can do, just show up at your campaign office and there will be someone to work with you on what needs to be done and what you're best suited for. It's all hands-on-deck for Get Out the Vote.
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Voting is kind of low on the list of important things; it's a sort of harm reduction measure that won't actually be the thing leading to significant positive change. It can be helpful, but it shouldn't be the big, bolded thing in a discussion like this. In general I'm always very suspicious regarding the political instincts of anyone who focuses almost entirely on Republican malfeasance when characterizing what's wrong with our country/political landscape. In the case of the US, the fundamental problems are fully present throughout both parties, even if Republicans might take things even further than their Democratic counterparts. And those issues don't stem directly from politics, but rather from the concentration of wealth (and thus power) among a tiny portion of the population. There's no clear or easy way to solve these problems, but organizing/direct action that isn't directly tied to a politician/party at least helps with the process that might hopefully let us begin to properly address the real issues further down the line. It's important that people understand that all wealthy people - even if they might have a friendly liberal face or not get along with Trump - are in opposition to their own well-being (unless they're wealthy themselves, anyways).
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awesmoe posted:I'm not an expert but the answer is pretty well documented in westernish democratic-ish societies, eg south africa, nothern ireland and israel: you violently oppose the government (which generally but not necessarily includes violence against innocents), try to survive the following cycles of political violence and retributive crackdowns, then eventually after enough violence you'll wear the government down to the point that they negotiate with you. Hopefully the negotiations go well, or you're back to square one. On my best days this is my outlook as well. However, if significant political change is possible without violence, it does require at least the threat of violence (at least, "violence" against property). I believe undermining the stability and legitimacy of our institutions is necessary either way. Of course, things could get worse, but I'm sick of fear of things getting worse preventing us from striving for better. I'm not going to take it anymore. I was hoping that's what this thread would be about, not taking it anymore. I'll still vote but to me, that counts as taking it. Even of your examples, surely in at least one it was worth it?
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Ytlaya posted:Voting is kind of low on the list of important things; it's a sort of harm reduction measure that won't actually be the thing leading to significant positive change. It can be helpful, but it shouldn't be the big, bolded thing in a discussion like this. I tend to view voting as the end result of the important things. Just tellling people to vote isn't super effective and even if it is effective it doesn't last, nobody's gonna vote consistently because they just keep getting told to. So yeah stuff that works to change people's engagement and outlook on politics outside of the context of voting or the current political establishment seems more desirable. And possibly an easier sell when, as you say, both parties are a pile of shite.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Even of your examples, surely in at least one it was worth it? I never took the chance to ask our housekeeper who lost two (politically uninvolved) sons to the violence, before he drank himself to death. Would have been interesting to hear what he thought.
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What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate. - Abraham Lincoln
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Goon Danton posted:Join DSA, do real things that aren't just pushing buttons in a voting booth and hoping the Dems try to fix things. Affect the world in a noticeable way. Change a brake light, irritate a public figure, reach out to communities that get ignored. Build some loving power that doesn't get filtered through a thousand cowardly lanyards. Even just showing up to a meeting and surrounding yourself with people who think like you do can help wash off the despair.
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At what point is the game so rigged that progressive reform ceases to be possible and leftists are forced to radicalism? A weak 2018 and a loss in 2020?
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Have Some Flowers! posted:At what point is the game so rigged that progressive reform ceases to be possible and leftists are forced to radicalism? A weak 2018 and a loss in 2020? Like, 1982. OwlFancier posted:I tend to view voting as the end result of the important things. Just tellling people to vote isn't super effective and even if it is effective it doesn't last, nobody's gonna vote consistently because they just keep getting told to. The point is that stuff outside of voting actually matters in itself, rather than just being a way to push voter engagement. By joining together with others for a common goal, you actually have the power to change things directly yourselves, rather than just empowering a politician and hoping they won't get bought off.
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My plan is to develop a drinking problem and have an existential crisis.
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Nevvy Z posted:Can we put "murdering fptp state by state" somewhere in this list? Sorry friend, we're abolishing states. You could take your voting method concerns up with your local workers' council, though!
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There's no sense of voting blue no matter who if the people you vote for will not fix the problem and are actively part of the problem. You should vote for whoever represents you the most and if that happens to be a straight blue ticket then so be it. To insist on party loyalty from any party that is not loyal to you is to capitulate yourself to the entrenched two party machine and to continue the political bloodshed that currently exists. Here's two suggestions that are possible but are not full solutions since the legislature is mostly resistant to full on socialism. 1) Have your state split EVs between areas of the state Winner Take All is dumb 100% and switching to popular vote without some sort of proportional allocation still encourages the same sort of problem. WTA is fine within smaller areas. If you look how some current states split their EVs you can see how it has the majority within urban areas, which of course you know vote majorly Democrat We all ridiculed how terrible the Republican Primary went with it's WTA on a state-by-state basis, there's no point in continuing the terrible practice on such a scale for the general election. Trump won with near 30-40% early on 2) Have your state use Instant Runoff Ranked Choice Voting This will remove the majority of the spoiler effect, make third party candidates viable, and even encourage more friendly campaigning between candidates with similar views. This way people can vote for who they want without someone shaming them for simply not agreeing with them (this will still happen but those people will be even more huge moron assholes for doing so.) If you think either is impossible there's already a state that does both. It's population may not be large enough to make a difference on a national scale, but splitting 4 of it's EVs to sectors of 3EV (Major urban area) and 1EV (The other 80% of the state) ensures that the demographic areas are represented on the national scale while also allowing the people to have a more accurate say. For Ranked Choice Voting the primary this year went well and it will be very interesting to see how this affects the US Senate and US House races it applies to for now. Depending on signatures the NPVIC may even appear on a 2019 ballot as a people's initiative too, but I doubt the state will switch to a Winner-Take-All method away from a more proportional method since that removes the agency of 1 EV from 80% of the state, since the area with 3 EVs has 50% of the population already. With how they are split between dense urban and rural the population centers it already currently represents more accurately people's votes than what other states do, and the popular vote ends up with more EVs in the end anyway through such proportional allocating which is the goal in the first place. ThndrShk2k fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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I look at the problem sternly in the face. I take off my weighted robe and wizard hat.
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... Mr. Piccolo...
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e: wait poo poo i thought this was in gbs for some reason, nevermind
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Imagine whitey realising now that maybe the top one percent are not acting in his favour. What a shock. late edit: I am whitey. lllllllllllllllllll fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Oct 12, 2018 |
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