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I'm impressed how fitting my psychoanalysis of Rebecca was. Back in early season one, I was already convinced that she felt some kind of double delusion. She said to herself that she doesn't love Josh, even though she "obviously" was, but in truth she never really loved him (at that point). Back then I actually predicted that her true love is music and that's how she'd end up kinda happy. Is the season 1 thread still around somewhere? I'd love to have a look at my old posts. It's always weird to see something you written 3 years ago.
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My only issue is that I wish we had heard her song at the end. I think hearing Rebecca sing and play imperfectly out loud with an irl song summarising a lot of the themes of the show would have been really perfect. But I totally understand why they didn’t go that route, and plus that probably would have been the hardest song to write out of all of them.
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Apr 6, 2019 09:40
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This one real and culminating song is supossed to be left for the imagination. That's kinda ironic, actually. Honestly, it's better this way since it allows the audience to be a bit more free in there final interpretation.
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Apr 6, 2019 10:33
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Escobarbarian posted:My only issue is that I wish we had heard her song at the end. I think hearing Rebecca sing and play imperfectly out loud with an irl song summarising a lot of the themes of the show would have been really perfect. But I totally understand why they didn’t go that route, and plus that probably would have been the hardest song to write out of all of them. There’s an article on Vulture where the cast and creators discuss what that song might have been. https://www.vulture.com/2019/04/crazy-ex-girlfriend-finale-interview-spoilers.html
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Apr 6, 2019 15:12
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So I guess the interesting implication of all the songs being in Rebecca's head is what happens when she isn't on screen. Is it just her projecting what she thinks the characters are singing about?
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Apr 6, 2019 15:32
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Don’t think about it too hard, too, too, hard.
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Harlock posted:So I guess the interesting implication of all the songs being in Rebecca's head is what happens when she isn't on screen. Is it just her projecting what she thinks the characters are singing about? Its' partly that and also that she's rubbing off on everyone. Like Greg's rendition of "hey West Covina" was totally in his head.
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Apr 6, 2019 15:52
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I loved Rebecca pulling Paula into her 11:00 stage and her realising how powerful Rebecca's coping mechanism was.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:01
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I'm pretty happy with that finale. I will miss the show a lot though.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:23
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AJ's face after its panned past all her 'potential suitors' slays me. drat what a great finale.
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Schlub Husband posted:AJ's face after its panned past all her 'potential suitors' slays me. Father Brah was even better there. That loom of total bewilderment. I need a gif of that.
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garthoneeye posted:There’s an article on Vulture where the cast and creators discuss what that song might have been. When it cut to black I assumed it was going to be a proto-West Covina but more sincere and more... badly sung, and I'm glad most of the show's staff felt the same way. Going into the season and even the last episode I wasn't sure how they could give me a sense of closure, but that was a good speech at the end. She doesn't have to pick any one of them, but she doesn't have to not pick them either, because "Who is this character going to end up with now?" isn't as good a final question as "Who is this character now?" She'll probably end up with Greg down the line. Yes, I wish Santino Fontana would've made a cameo.
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Apr 7, 2019 03:15
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Great finale. Glad to see everyone's in agreement that "West Covina" is the song.
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Apr 7, 2019 03:42
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Yeah, that was my thought too, and it’s really cool to see most of the creative team agree (I know I’m just copying a previous post but it’s true, dammit!)
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Apr 7, 2019 09:54
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That was what I figured it’d be if they showed it, but a small part of me wishes it would be The First Penis I Saw
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Apr 7, 2019 10:58
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I already knew this before seeing the finale, but it confirmed that I don't really like where this show went. The idea of making a show that was ostensibly a romantic comedy that followed those typical beats, but involving a mentally ill woman who'd do malicious things, was pretty good. The interplay between those things was pretty clever and funny, and they weren't afraid to take it in pretty honest directions. But it really feels like after a certain point (probably the suicide attempt) they just removed all the edges, went full-blown sitcom, and in the end you have this character in a room, admired by every single person she met throughout the show, including the three guys she had unhealthy relationships with and the woman whose engagement she destroyed. What is the point supposed to be? "Don't worry if you have Borderline Personality Disorder. Everything will be fine in the end. There'll be no meaningful consequences to doing bad things to people all the time. There's nothing that can't be apologized for and no one you can't make your friend?" Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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Apr 8, 2019 07:07
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I mean, she suffered plenty getting to this point. As did everyone else. The point of the show has always been that people are complicated and have a lot going on, and I think it's also useful to say that yeah, you may never overcome mental illness but you can still be happy. It takes work, it takes patience, and much of this last season was Rebecca slowly getting to a better point in her life, which included helping the people around her. Like I don't think it's at all unearned. As for the woman whose engagement she destroyed, the thing is, Valencia was open to friendship with Rebecca as early as Season 2. She NEVER seemed that bothered by things going wrong with Josh, which I think suggests she kinda knew he wasn't who she really wanted. I may have to go over her initial arc again.
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quote:As for the woman whose engagement she destroyed, the thing is, Valencia was open to friendship with Rebecca as early as Season 2. She NEVER seemed that bothered by things going wrong with Josh, which I think suggests she kinda knew he wasn't who she really wanted. Well, sure. Valencia, a fictional character, was written in such a way that it was somewhat plausible that she would be open to be great friends with someone who blew up her years-long relationship and then got engaged to her ex-boyfriend. So were the other characters. But that's a writing choice. One that, IMO, is very far from anything that would happen in the real world and seriously dulls the edges of the real-life stuff like mental illness the show tried to approach. quote:I mean, she suffered plenty getting to this point. As did everyone else. The point of the show has always been that people are complicated and have a lot going on, and I think it's also useful to say that yeah, you may never overcome mental illness but you can still be happy. It takes work, it takes patience, and much of this last season was Rebecca slowly getting to a better point in her life, which included helping the people around her. Like I don't think it's at all unearned. I don't think the show should have ended with her being unhappy or hated by people. That wouldn't have been good either. The problem is the show's idea of 'a good place' is always 'the absolute best place anything could ever be.' In reality, coming to terms with your actions often means accepting that not everyone will forgive you, and not every relationship can be healed or maintained even after forgiveness. This is something that happens, that one must learn to live with, and that does not preclude real happiness, let alone a happy ending to a show. In the end the show is just trading one fantasy for another. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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Apr 8, 2019 11:10
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I like the sentiment Greg extends in "I hate Everything (But You)" where Greg is telling Rebecca why he isn't enjoying their day out, where he's making clear that he dislikes a lot of corny things lots of other people enjoy and despises cliches, but has this moment of leniency/perspective: "I hate the phrase 'Love Conquers all' and I hate that it's true, but I want to not hate things when I'm with you, you love so many things and you have so much fun, it makes me wish my hating days were dooone." That's a sweet sentiment, and I like that he admits that that particular cliche exists for a reason. Also his delivery on  "EVEN MORE EXAMPLES!" is hilarious.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:I don't think the show should have ended with her being unhappy or hated by people. That wouldn't have been good either. The problem is the show's idea of 'a good place' is always 'the absolute best place anything could ever be.' In reality, coming to terms with your actions often means accepting that not everyone will forgive you, and not every relationship can be healed or maintained even after forgiveness. This is something that happens, that one must learn to live with, and that does not preclude real happiness, let alone a happy ending to a show. In the end the show is just trading one fantasy for another. They do sort of do this with White Josh, although he doesn't really make a case against her or press it in any way.
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PostNouveau posted:They do sort of do this with White Josh, although he doesn't really make a case against her or press it in any way. Of course, he's one of the few people that Rebecca didn't inadvertently help discover themselves. She did a great job pushing her friends to become better people while she herself was a terrible person. But white Josh already knew who he was and was already happy with himself. He didn't need her drama to force him to face hidden truths or to encourage introspection. To him, she was just a drama queen. Which she was. But it was her show. I liked how the finale gave us a glimpse into season 5 without actually having a 5th season. I'm glad she didn't "end up with" any of the guys because that's a stupid goal even if it was her goal until literally the final 45 minutes of the shows entire run which is a little weird. I like that the message, in the end, is that you have to love yourself first.
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I had a feeling she wasn't going to pick anybody, but the show did it in a way that surprised me and to be honest made me happy with the way it was handled.
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BioEnchanted posted:I like the sentiment Greg extends in "I hate Everything (But You)" where Greg is telling Rebecca why he isn't enjoying their day out, where he's making clear that he dislikes a lot of corny things lots of other people enjoy and despises cliches, but has this moment of leniency/perspective: Yeah honestly, I'll probably be going back to that song more than any of Santino's songs as Greg. I love the Springsteen themed recitation at modern frustrations.
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Zil posted:I had a feeling she wasn't going to pick anybody, but the show did it in a way that surprised me and to be honest made me happy with the way it was handled. An important thing for me is that at the end, she's open to love- she hasn't sworn it off like before, she just refused that particular choice at that particular point in her life. It leaves the sense that this isn't really the end of anyone's story, they'll go on, but we just don't get to see what happens next.
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Maxwell Lord posted:An important thing for me is that at the end, she's open to love- she hasn't sworn it off like before, she just refused that particular choice at that particular point in her life. It leaves the sense that this isn't really the end of anyone's story, they'll go on, but we just don't get to see what happens next. One interview said basically that. Bloom and Brosh McKenna said they spent four years turning Rebecca's life upside-down. Now she's finally able to get back to a normal life. No more sitcom situations for her!
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Absolutely wonderful, although I wish we'd gotten to see the song at the end. I actually clapped when Rebecca said, "romantic love is not an ending". I loved this show so much! It was so good!
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Apr 12, 2019 08:33
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All four seasons of Crazy Ex Girlfriend are now on Netflix.
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Apr 17, 2019 21:32
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I'm just happy that White Josh got a full number this season. David Hull is a treasure.
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Apr 21, 2019 15:46
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To be fair he also got Fit Hot Guys alongside Nathaniel.
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Finally finished with the show and I liked where it ended. Everyone except Trent and sadly White Josh (those drat wildfires!) ended up in a better place mentally. It's nice to see how far everyone's come since the pilot; I mean Greg is a brand new man! Can't wait to see the cast in their future endeavors.
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I really wish they'd done more with White Josh. He could have been a great foil to Rebecca since he's the only other character with a direct connection to the three guys
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Was AJ (the character) supposed to be genderqueer? My girlfriend and I were talking about it, did the showrunners say anything?
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FactsAreUseless posted:Was AJ (the character) supposed to be genderqueer? My girlfriend and I were talking about it, did the showrunners say anything? At the very least they were Androgynous.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Was AJ (the character) supposed to be genderqueer? My girlfriend and I were talking about it, did the showrunners say anything? Rebecca refers to AJ using male pronouns at least once.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Was AJ (the character) supposed to be genderqueer? My girlfriend and I were talking about it, did the showrunners say anything? I thought so but he was always referred to as a dude and the actor identifiers as a gay dude if I remember correctly. That's my one disappointment: no trans representation at all. Bisexuals got a whole song.
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Sorry for the delayed response, couldn't watch the finale near air time because I was abroad, only catching up now.BioEnchanted posted:I loved Rebecca pulling Paula into her 11:00 stage and her realising how powerful Rebecca's coping mechanism was. That's like breaking the 5th wall, right?
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I saw the true finale which was the Radio City Musical Hall performance last night. It was pretty amazing and included two marriage proposals on stage. "The Math of Love Triangles" is now ruined because it doesn't involve Rachel jumping into White Josh's arms and yelling, "SWING ME, BITCH!" The big finish was Rachel performing "Heavy Boobs" completely topless and actually holding all of the items in the song under her boobs.
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You can't do that on television!
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She blindfolded a twelve-year-old boy sitting in the front row as well as her in-laws. Peter Gardner also performed "My Sperm is Healthy" with his two real-life sons dressed as sperm and ended the song with "I had sex with your mom!"
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So yesterday at their Radio City Music Hall performance, Skylar Astin couldn't make it, so they got a replacement. Lin-Manuel Miranda.
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