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Managed to skip past a video of a crying cow on its way to the slaughterhouse last night, and I am yet again trying to see if this can be done without my nails falling out or my bones turning into twigs. That Anthony Fantano dude is a beefy one, so I know that it's possible, but how do I do it without becoming horribly deficient in Vitamin B-12/iron/wtf else I normally get from meat? Do I just have to supplement like a motherfucker? What other common pitfalls would I have to look out for? EDIT: If you tried it and felt like poo poo as a result, please feel free to chime in as well. olives black fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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Google "How Not to Die" Has cookbooks, recipes, youtube videos, all on being vegan.
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Oct 21, 2018 21:17
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The “you will be deficient in everything and die” warnings about being vegan are really exagerrated. Iron for example can be gotten plenty of from stuff like spinach, not to mention basically any packaged food is fortified with vitamins. We live in a world where idiots get scurvy from eating like four-year-olds so if you care enough about your diet to bother going vegan you’ll probably be fine.
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Oct 21, 2018 23:49
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Those warnings are mostly because it's a real possibility for people who 'go vegan' and then keep eating the same American diet of like six pre-processed foods rather than getting some variety. Pop on over to GWS if you want some suggestions, there are a few vegans rattling around in there, and one of them has what I've been told is a pretty good cookbook.
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That thread has some pretty great food porn in it. Looks like I just need to harden the gently caress up and make a plan for phasing animal products out of my diet.
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Oct 22, 2018 03:25
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Others have covered the nutrition bases already. My advice is to do it gradually. Cutting out all animal products is a huge change in lifestyle and if you try to do it overnight you will become overwhelmed and fail. Start small - Cook a vegan dinner once per week, and scale up from there.
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I've been vegan for 23 years and vegetarian for the other 18 without paying any particular deliberate attention to nutrition other than "I guess I should sometimes eat something that's not chips". I didn't even deliberately supplement B12 until a year or two ago, which I'm told is impossible and means I'm dead. (And no particular trigger for starting supplementing B12, I wasn't feeling any ill-effects from the absence of it and don't feel any better after adding the supplement, just a mailing list I'm on kept loving going on about it until I was peer-pressured into it.) I've only broken one bone in my life, a slightly fractured wrist, and that was when I got knocked off my bike by a truck, so I don't think I'm unusually brittle. My nails grow like crazy and aren't weak either. I am pretty lazy, but I don't think I'm any weaker than anyone else equally lazy. I can probably still do a couple pullups or 15 pushups in one go despite basically not exercising at all (I realize that's not much, but for an old non-exerciser it's not bad). I weigh a normal amount (touched the upper end of the 'not overweight' BMI range a couple of years ago, so I adjusted my diet with a half-assed "take half as much of carb things and twice as much of leafy things" modifier, which sorted that out). All of which is to say, being vegan without dying is not really all that difficult. Protein myths are dumb, iron myths are dumb, calcium myths are double-dumb, B12 is allegedly a real concern.
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Don't do it.
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Waltzing Along posted:Don't do it. Care to elaborate?
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Some horrible things vegans can eat include fresco bean burritos at taco bell, french toast sticks from the breakfast menu at Burger King (may not still be true), a papa john's pizza with no cheese but including the garlic dipping sauce that's basically a gross tub of canola oil, Trader Joe's marshmallows, hash browns at waffle house. I'm pretty sure you can make a balanced diet from those.
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Vegan is awesome. You feel better, not worse. Many types of meat are literal carcinogens. Your poops are better. Hail veganism Roomforthetuna made a good post
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Downsides include: if you ever mention being vegan, no matter how politely, at least one person will take it as a personal insult. "Do you have any non-dairy salad dressing?" "CAN I GET AN EXTRA STEAK I NEED TO ENSURE EXTRA COW SUFFERING TO MAKE UP FOR THIS PUSSYBOY"
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I'm not vegan. I've literally never encountered an obnoxious or militant vegan. I hear people whine about militant vegans on the regular. At this point I might become vegan just to spite those people. Seriously though, people take offense to vegans because they do represent a certain challenge or insult to people who eat meat; Implicit in veganism is the belief that consuming animal products is in some way morally unjustifiable. People hate the idea that they are doing something wrong, especially something they generally take for granted like what food they put in their mouth. And because critically examining your own beliefs and habits is hard, but deciding that someone else is just an rear end in a top hat is easy, they're assholes. You see similar things in rear end-backwards climate deniers who take pride in just how much gas their giant truck sucks up. Dumb? Yes. Sort of makes sense? Also yes.
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Most guys have their masculinity wrapped up in how much meat they eat, too. It's super pathetic.
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olives black posted:Care to elaborate? Only vegans like vegans. Everyone else will hate you. Most will be polite and roll their eyes at you behind your back. It's basically making a political statement with the food you eat.
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Oct 23, 2018 15:19
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It's pretty weird to care so much about what other people put in their mouth.
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Oct 23, 2018 15:28
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Waltzing Along posted:Only vegans like vegans. Everyone else will hate you. Most will be polite and roll their eyes at you behind your back. It's basically making a political statement with the food you eat. Did you poop better, though? A few seconds of dirty looks for a half an hour of sitting on the toilet sounds like a good trade to me.
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Waltzing Along posted:Only vegans like vegans. Everyone else will hate you. Most will be polite and roll their eyes at you behind your back. It's basically making a political statement with the food you eat.
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roomforthetuna posted:I've got "oh I didn't know you were vegan" after working and eating lunch with people for two years, when it came up. You don't really have to mention it to anyone who's not custom-preparing food for you, it's not like people will go "oh, you ordered fresco bean burritos at taco bell [pointing and screaming] VEEEGAAAANN!" [everyone else joins in screaming] Never got invited to a cookout or asked to chuck in for a pizza?
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Never got invited to a cookout or asked to chuck in for a pizza? Not that there's generally a problem saying vegan eventually, you just don't have to lead with it is what I'm saying.
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You won't feel weak or sick or whatever and will probably lose a few pounds unless you eat garbage and/or go crazy with the carbs. I will second the advice about starting starting slow and avoiding the v-word, although starting with one meal a week seems a little pitifull. Just say you're trying to eat less meat (or more vegetables) and nobody will care.Waltzing Along posted:Only vegans like vegans. Everyone else will hate you. Most will be polite and roll their eyes at you behind your back. It's basically making a political statement with the food you eat. Having a pissy attitude about other people's preferences usually says far more about you than it does them.
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I realized a clearer way of saying what I was getting at - being vegan is not making a political statement with the food you eat. It's only arguably making a political statement when you say vegan. Nobody will interpret it as a political statement if you just choose some food that doesn't have meats or milks in it. vvvv Sure. (Though if you've seen the contents of a vegan mailing list, it turns out people being dicks about vegans might actually be justified, even if they probably haven't ever encountered the people who justify their dickishness!) roomforthetuna fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Oct 24, 2018 03:42
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roomforthetuna posted:I realized a clearer way of saying what I was getting at - being vegan is not making a political statement with the food you eat. It's only arguably making a political statement when you say vegan. Nobody will interpret it as a political statement if you just choose some food that doesn't have meats or milks in it. It's just that sooner or later it will come up, and there are people who will be dicks about it for no good reason.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It's just that sooner or later it will come up, and there are people who will be dicks about it for no good reason. A lot of people have an irrational anger toward vegans. There's just a stereotype of vegans being super-fussy assholes who make eating with them (or worse, cooking for them) a chore. To be fair, those people do exist and you don't want to be that vegan. I dated a guy who only ate organic, raw, gluten-free vegan dishes. He was also super into a lot of new-age spiritual stuff and would lecture you on how his diet was so much better and that you should meditate and do positive affirmations. Don't be that guy. oh I almost forgot, he was also on a bullshit "blood-type" diet where based on his blood type he wasn't allowed to eat a bunch of random poo poo like broccoli edit: OP I would recommend easing into being vegan. Start by cutting meat to once a day or once every other day, then go vegetarian, then vegan. Vegetarian is almost vegan but you can eat eggs and cheese which is nice and once you've got everything else figured out it's a pretty small step to full veganism. Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Oct 24, 2018 04:31
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Pellisworth posted:There's just a stereotype of vegans being super-fussy assholes who make eating with them (or worse, cooking for them) a chore. To be fair, those people do exist and you don't want to be that vegan. Literally every single vegan I have met. And one was a family member of a girlfriend. It made dinners w/ them awful.
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Waltzing Along posted:Literally every single vegan I have met. And one was a family member of a girlfriend. It made dinners w/ them awful. Try cooking professionally. You will understand the eye rolls rapidly when someone comes into a fast casual beer and burgers place, asks if you have anything vegan, and screams at your host because the place where 99% of the food comes off the grill or out of the fryer doesn't have vegan menu options that dont share cooking utensils with meat.
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Everyone that isn't a vegan makes fun of you behind your back and thinks you are naive. Not saying they are right or wrong, but yeah, just choose to eat ethical meats if that is your concern. Also vegans have a higher rate of mental illness, not sure if thats because many of them are vitamin deficient, or if its a self selecting group of depressed / low self esteem that choose to have alternative diets.
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Also for the record I think its cool and good you are considering how your food was treated, but there is basically no way to ethically eat anyways so I don't worry myself about it that much. If you are 100% dedicated to no suffering involved in your food you'd have to solely eat local produce picked by non-underpaid workers and livestock that had A+ living conditions and humane slaughter. But in the real world we have 7 year old boys that lose arms in machete accidents while harvesting the cocoa beans for our hershey bars. Or kids having their families threatened to kill from running away from the palm oil plantation. That stuff really makes me feel a lot more queasy than a chicken living in cramped quarters. Hell, I'd say its about 100X worse ethically that we consume products from human slave labour.
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zapplez posted:Also for the record I think its cool and good you are considering how your food was treated, but there is basically no way to ethically eat anyways so I don't worry myself about it that much. If you are 100% dedicated to no suffering involved in your food you'd have to solely eat local produce picked by non-underpaid workers and livestock that had A+ living conditions and humane slaughter. Agreed, there are things that are worse than livestock suffering, and unethical business practices that directly cause human suffering are a thing that happens. Now please explain to me how this is an argument against stopping the consumption animal products?
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zapplez posted:Also for the record I think its cool and good you are considering how your food was treated, but there is basically no way to ethically eat anyways so I don't worry myself about it that much. This is why I say it is a political statement. There are lots of causes out there. There are lots of ways to eat healthy and keep your body in good shape. Choose some other good cause and find a way to take care of your body and you'll get the best of both worlds.
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Caring about and acting against X is dumb because Y also exists and is worse is a non-argument and can be applied to literally anything.
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Geisladisk posted:Caring about and acting against X is dumb because Y also exists and is worse is a non-argument and can be applied to literally anything. I personally thinks it's cool if you go vegan for ethical reasons or whatever. Less factory farming is great . But if you aren't also willing go give up chocolate for example , I don't get it and it looks more like a fashion accessory then a moral crusade. I guess I prefer the honesty of people who don't give a poo poo where most of their food comes from. It's the whole I'm against sweatshops but I'm fine posting about it on my iPhone made by suicidal workers with batteries made from chemicals that were harvested by toddlers under fatal working conditions vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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zapplez posted:I personally thinks it's cool if you go vegan for ethical reasons or whatever. Less factory farming is great . Love how every arsehole gets to have an opinion about my diet. It's you, you're the dickhead, not the vegans.
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In before 'oh see now you're being preachy' or 'actually I just dislike that you don't support every cause imaginable because you support this one, even though I personally support none at all'.
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Why are you Vegan? You don't like the taste of meat ? Health/ allergy reasons? Or ethical food reasons?
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zapplez posted:But if you aren't also willing go give up chocolate for example , I don't get it and it looks more like a fashion accessory then a moral crusade. 
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zapplez posted:Why are you Vegan? You don't like the taste of meat ? Health/ allergy reasons? Or ethical food reasons? I'm not a Vegan with a big V, I'm a vegan with a small v. It isn't some core part of my identity, you've just decided it is for every vegan. I don't eat meat because I'm lucky enough to be in a time/money position of privilege to be able to do so. Everyone elses reasons are their own. What horse do you have in this race? Or are you just here to be an anti-vegan bore rolling out the same tired gotchas everyone has heard a hundred times before while claiming not to have anything against vegans.
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zapplez posted:I personally thinks it's cool if you go vegan for ethical reasons or whatever. Less factory farming is great . So a person shouldn't bother trying to do less bad things if they don't also simultaneously stop doing literally every other bad thing? Isn't doing N-1 bad things preferable to doing N bad things? This argument is nonsensical.
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zapplez posted:I guess I prefer the honesty of people who don't give a poo poo where most of their food comes from. I think you're not being honest with yourself about what your issue is.
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I just can't understand being so concerned with ethical food i'd refuse to eat meat because of mistreatment of animals, but on the same hand I am okay having a chocolate bar from a megacorp in which I know actual human kids are being horribly mistreated. But not everyone that is vegan is solely because they think its an ethical issue of how their food is sourced. But I am the kind of person that is fine with 100,000 pigs getting slaughtered in medical testing to prevent 1 human kid from having cancer.
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