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This isn't an academic setting, PJ. You won't be graded on it. I understand your frustration. You finally have the wherewithal to put down into words a detailed analysis of your lived experiences and how that maps to world at large. We'd all do well to undertake such harrowing levels of introspection. I also understand why some would advise you to "do the research" before you re-invent the wheel and discover something someone else already discovered. I think, if that were the case, I'd rather see you build on top of that thing instead of rebuilding it from the ground up. It would be awesome if people could provide examples of publicly available literature that any of us could read to get our heads around similar ideas. I've read The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer for example and Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism which are both pretty entry level stuff that barks up the same tree. I was inspired to read them because of your previous thread in D&D. Yes, I made it to adulthood without reading Ur-Fascism; I was an engineering major in college. Heck, I even see bits of your theory in The Art of Memetics about how ideas spread. Lots of reading about memetics falls into "ideas are magick" territory, but this book is pretty solid. At least I remember it being solid. It's been more than five years since I read it. I remember it being more about how Marketing works.
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Willie Tomg posted:near as i can tell so far, The Authoritarians is basically what PJ is trying to write, almost entirely, but with a greater emphasis on root psychology (which is general and broadly applicable) and less on the case by case particularization of rationalizations for that psychology (which change and skitter around like a drop of water on a hot griddle). You can get e-book versions for free here https://www.theauthoritarians.org/options-for-getting-the-book/ That's how I read it: on my tablet.
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Prester Jane posted:Originally this discussion was using the term "Authoritarians" because at first I was kind of trying to build on Altmeyer's work. Eventually there was a consensus reached that what I was describing was sufficiently different from Altmeyer's work to warrant a new term, and that's when a goon coined the term "Narrativist". This recent observation from his website talks about religious upbringings in a relevant way, how it primes Authoritarians to accept Narratives (not the phrase he uses) over facts and truth without any critical introspection or even thought. https://www.theauthoritarians.org/why-do-trumps-supporters-stand-by-him-no-matter-what/
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Cooperates don't want to upset their status quo. Who does? I'm a middle-aged trans woman married to a cis woman with a raft of health problems. I have a job that pays just enough to cover our bills. My employer finally offered insurance that didn't explicitly exclude trans-related coverage on 2017. I'm a target but damned if I'm gonna stick my neck out. I have too much to lose. I vote. That's it. If the tide turns too far, then I'm hosed.
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R. Dieovich posted:no, i definitely think this theory is a dead end and moves people away from truly liberatory frames of thinking. but that has nothing to do with probations given for kale-style narcissism and we've discussed this ad nauseum over pms. loving sucks that I can't report mods because you are an rear end in a top hat. Like, loving Christ, can't you find something better to be pissed off about? I agree that a theory without actual real-world data to back it up is of limited use in the real-world. But this college Freshman philosophizing inspires lay people (like me) to listen and participate because I am not intimidated out of the conversation. This is useful. This is a starting point. PJ is getting much more constructive feedback here than in D&D. It's pretty far from a hug box or just brainless head nodding. Let this thread live or die by its content.
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Nov 1, 2018 03:37
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Willie Tomg posted:step one of not being a cult: do not criticize the central charismatic receptacle of recieved KnowledgeOH GODDAMMIT, wait, no i got this... PJ does seem a bit sensitive to constructive criticism, but people are still offering it. Including a giant reading list of free material that anyone could download.
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Nov 1, 2018 15:41
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Willie Tomg posted:i think that was a fantastic collection and have said as much at the time and will say it again here, and making this thread a collective reading room would be a really really really cool place for this thread to go because as communists/socialists/pan-leftists/radicals/whatever getting together and bringing the university out of the university is 1000% our loving jam. I downloaded every one of those suggestions to my tablet.
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Zas posted:something Guyovich brought up that I never really understood was the whole thing about like... well, everyone constructs and interprets narratives that inform their lives to some extent. so, maybe this is a little trite, but like, "where do you draw the line." what makes some narrative people "ists" and not just.. people? sorry if i'm misunderstanding the basics or whatever Oh, snap. Now you are asking about Artisans vs. Specialists and that's beyond my scope to explain. But that's also "theory of the mind" poo poo from which PJ is backing off, so, ymmv. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3708238&pagenumber=102&perpage=40#post470170767
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Nov 2, 2018 23:02
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staticman posted:What happens when they all find out that their god hates them? The elect a new god? Edit: I saw this video and thought of you <3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4_A Aleph Null has issued a correction as of 18:05 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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So who else is selling all their belongings and moving to Canada?
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Nevvy Z posted:What do we call useful idiots who embrace the outernarrative whole heartedly ? glitches
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Liberals / centrists What do you call people who always assume the other participants are acting in bad faith? Edit: LonsomeSon posted:We aren't just weak against it, our ruling classes deliberately nurtured this weakness to make the society easier to control and are now shocked! Just absolutely flabbergasted! to have someone else competently reach in and tug on the strings. And this is why I think that way. Aleph Null has issued a correction as of 22:24 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Apr 15, 2019 22:22
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Prester Jane posted:In the past when I've talked about Cooperators I've emphasized that the Cooperator worldview presupposes that the only viable solution is working within the existing system, and further any suggestion of changing the system is so anathema to the Cooperator worldview that they will dismiss it right out of hand as childish/naive. Cooperators value ritualized adherence to social/speech more's much more than they value their own supposed beliefs- and they prioritize the stability of the system over any other concern. That's been the democrat MO for years. It went to poo poo with Obama because the Republicans just called their bluff and now we have Trump. Biden as president would be no better than Obama was and I'm sad that he's still considered the front-runner.
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chitoryu12 posted:The one problem I'm hoping we don't run into is another 2016 where the DNC intentionally tries to shove out progressive candidates to put who they consider the most "electable" establishment centrist on the ticket. When it became apparent that Bernie was gaining they worked to get Hillary in instead. I mean it absolutely worked the first time. Hillary was elected by a landslide, right? Edit: Prester Jane posted:I originally posted the following in the Trump thread, but I think it's worth discussing here as well: God drat this country. "Too late." I guess. Aleph Null has issued a correction as of 22:33 on Jun 20, 2019 |
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Grevling posted:OP, have you heard of Bob Altmeyer and his research on authoritarian personalities? It's eerily familar when he reads about right-wing authoritarians as he calls them (with right-wing for him just meaning they support existing authorities); unquestioning support for the system, extreme conformity, inconsistency/compartmentalizing of opinions, among other traits. It's a depressing read when you realize that this might be something like a third of the population. It's a good book and an easy read.
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Just wanted to say PJ was right about there being an escalation in violence as part of this Compaction.
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Aardark posted:Swooping in to say so-and-so was right based on some vague prediction is a classic right wing idiot tactic. I was phone-posting while pooping so I didn't have an easy way to go look up the relevant posts, but PJ directly predicted rising violence of white supremacist terrorists. What she did not predict was that some news outlets are actually calling them "terrorists" and not "lone wolves".
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Prester Jane posted:Anyone else worried that this Iran situation might cause America to really fall off the bus w/r/t fascism? I assumed it was just to head off the impeachment with no other real thought put into it. Also, Awful App has been freezing and crashing on my Android 10 device. Pixel 3XL so it could be a memory problem. Aleph Null has issued a correction as of 01:30 on Jan 8, 2020 |
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