Deadwood TV Movie in 2019 - The Upside of this Bizzarro Reality

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fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

I was really hoping they'd just bring back the show since I can't imagine not wanting more endlessly after the movie, but this remains my favorite show in TV history, even if some parts of S3 are boring (theater folk stuff). I can't believe, even still, that the writing on this show was on television screens, it's unbelievable.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2018 00:13

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 10:33

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

I'd rather try touching the moon than take on a whore's thinking

# ¿ Nov 7, 2018 03:49

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Do you worry for her, Dan? Wandering through the muck of the thoroughfare, her tiny self all but swallowed up in horseshit?

# ¿ Nov 7, 2018 05:08

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

"I will Mr. Hearst, uh, vigorously and immediately, I-"

"JUST SEND HER THE gently caress UP"

# ¿ Nov 10, 2018 19:17

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Dan! Dismantle the titty corner and put up a poker table

# ¿ Nov 14, 2018 02:39

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Escobarbarian posted:

Yeah it’d be like tarnation and consarn it and all that

I would think there would be lots of fucks and dicks though. That stuff has been going around since basically the beginning of mankind hahaha

# ¿ Nov 15, 2018 19:12

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

"I ain't learnin some new doc's fuckin quirks" is astounding as a line in how vulgar it is and how sweet it is simultaneously. As much as they poo poo on each other, these people still love each other.

# ¿ Nov 16, 2018 04:21

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

When the preacher died...

Doc's monologue right before that scene was unbelievable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMAl2fCYgCQ

# ¿ Nov 16, 2018 05:12

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Was gonna mention Carnivale.

# ¿ Nov 17, 2018 19:38

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

First scene in Deadwood which really made me cry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwo9KwnOse4

# ¿ Nov 18, 2018 02:52

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Cojawfee posted:

WTF that was Kristen Bell?

Yep

# ¿ Nov 21, 2018 21:09

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

kaworu posted:

drat, the actor who played Johnny Burns has been in quite a bit... He played 'Old Nick' in the film 'Room' which like, makes Johnny a bit creepier to me.

I don't know how they're all going to fit this into what.... ~120 minutes? It just seems weird to get everyone back together 10 years later and only make a "feature length" film. It seems kind of arbitrary and weird to me when you can basically go with any format you want.... Not like this will be in theaters, sadly.

He was also Trey in Rectify and his acting is awesome in that.

I totally agree that a film is disappointing. Seems like no time at all to explore a revisiting of the town and I am shocked they wouldn't try to do like a four episode mini season or something. HBO owns the rights so they have restrictions but I am actually kinda bummed that this will inevitably just be a tease and fall short of something more substantial.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2018 19:47

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Mu Zeta posted:

I thought HBO offered him to do a mini series to finish it up but he declined and the show was cancelled.

Source? As far as I know Deadwood asked Milch to skimp majorly on budget and set design to the point where Milch didn't see the point and it got cancelled.

Milch also has the problem of having zero success since Deadwood. Nobody watched Luck and it got bad PR after getting cancelled due to multiple horses dying on set and the new generation of TV watchers have no clue who he is.

He doesn't have anywhere remotely near the clout Lynch has, who is a cultural icon in American film and television.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2018 22:14

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Farrier Theaks posted:

"Jfc" summed up my feelings pretty well when I heard

JfC I thought was before Deadwood. Either way, it was also a colossal failure.

Luck was a great show.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2018 22:15

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

"Should've said something pretty" is still a great ending line to me even though things were abrupt. It is a really important and warm character development for Al

# ¿ Nov 27, 2018 06:02

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Phenotype posted:

Okay, well, yes, war sucks and people die and you all live in close proximity before and after. I was really asking why kaworu felt the need to use so many scary adjectives and how the horror of it influenced Deadwood, because I don't know poo poo about the Civil War besides what I learned in school. (Slaves bad, Lincoln good, Union Generals incompetent, etc.)

As someone mentioned before, the equivalent of 12 million people today died in the Civil War. 3% of the population. This is people who share a country killing each other in enormous numbers. For reference, the death toll in Syria over the past 5 years is something like 2 million. Multiply that by six today and you the sheer volume of dead people associated with the Civil War.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2018 20:40

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

kaworu posted:

In Deadwood for instance, Reverend Smith talks about being at the battle of Shiloh as a medic which was where he "got his calling", which frankly explains a lot about the minister.. Shiloh was one of the most brutal, bloody battles in the entire war - some 20,000 casualties accumulated on *both sides*, with about 3,000 of them dying - all that in just *2 days* of fighting. That might not seem too extreme in the 21st century, but at the time I believe it was the first time anywhere near so many men were killed/hurt in such few days of fighting. Though, that record was soon surpassed at Antietam, then ultimately surpassed by Gettysburg. If you were a field medic at Shiloh and had any sort of compassion in you, I would imagine that the two options were basically insanity and getting religion (most likely both) so it does explain quite a bit about Smith's character

This is really fascinating, thanks

# ¿ Dec 1, 2018 01:02

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

kaworu posted:

That's so goddamn fascinating and cool about the nematodes! I'd never read about that before, and to be honesty when I first read your post I thought it had to be bullshit or something because it seemed so far out, but nope. 100% true. The soil bacterium Photorhabdus luminescens which is present only in nematodes (who, unlike the show Doub would have us believe, are tiny parasitic worms that usually burrow into insect larvae (maggots) in the soil or into plants, and vomit up this Photorhabdus luminescens which is the bacterium that killed the host larvae..

Why this was so exceptional and bizarre is that nematodes would typically die from the simple heat of a human body before the Photorhabdus luminescens it vomits could release the chemicals that destroy the host larvae and any other microorganisms - this is how the nematodes saved the soldiers and gave them the ghostly bio-luminescent glow, and they could only have done it *because* the soldiers were freezing cold lying on wet soil in early April.

Also of note - this incident with the nematodes actually happened after The Battle of Shiloh, which was in Tennessee April 6-7 1862 if memory holds. And I'd apparently forgotten, but Reverend Smith also claims being at Second Manassas, AKA The Battle of Bull Run. If you recall history, this happened... well, late in the summer of 1862 as I recall, and was a battle that the Union army should have won by all rights, but lost due to a combination of the ineptitude of Union General John Pope (whom I believe was subsequently relieved by Lincoln) and the unparalleled strategic genius of Robert E. Lee. Lincoln was basically furious that his senior general at the time, McClellan, was being entirely too conservative and not doing enough to proactively use his superiority in numbers and discipline effectively to bear on Lee. This backfired tremendously when he appointed Pope to lead the Virgina army, and the result was that Lee correctly guessed how the impatience of Lincoln and the conservativeness of McClellan (whom I believe Lee had personally worked with a great deal prior to Secession and knew quite well) would play it, and he used that to GREAT effect in Second Manassas.

It may not have been as awful as Shiloh earlier in the year, but it was plenty horrific and terrible. It was also an especially demoralizing loss for Lincoln and the Union... It was in the winter following the disastrous summer of 1862 (for the Union) that Lincoln issued his Emancipation Proclamation - as much as a measure to do everything possible to win the war as it was a statement of his own personal ethical beliefs, but I probably don't need to get into all that. But it really was a fascinating decision - the war was NOT about ending slavery until that Proclamation, it was about maintaining the union. By making an explicit statement that slavery was unethical, it was basically Lincoln changed the goalposts and essentially re-energize his cause... Plus hopefully inspiring slaves to flee the south and join the Union Army to fight for their peoples freedom. But in many ways it was also a response to the horrifying possibility that the North MIGHT really and truly lose this war somehow, and I don't think that the Union truly saw that as a possibility before then.

Ugh, history. I am glad you guys find this stuff interesting - The Civil War is a truly remarkable time in American History, and I'd say it's worth studying at the moment.

edit: Oh, and as an addendum to all of this, I'm currently in the midst of re-reading Robert Caro's 4-part biography of Lyndon Johnson, and the current one I'm on is called Master of the Senate and is all about Johnson, a fairly young and idealistic senator at the time, was SO intelligent and driven and motivated that after he was elected to the Senate in 1948 (at the time the Senate had an even worse reputation for archaic uselessness than it does even now) and through all kinds of wheeling and dealing and just running intellectual circles around everyone else, became the youngest majority leader in history and proceeded to past the first Civil Rights legislation (in the 1950's) that had literally been passed since reconstruction.

If you ever find yourself wondering how the Democrats went from what they HAD BEEN to cementing their reputation as the party of new-deal socialism, liberalism, and progressive politics, then LBJ is really the missing link. Not to discount FDR, but he's always been much more popular and loved and more easily understood than LBJ in many ways. I mean, Johnson's the democratic Southerner who presided over the passing of The Civil Rights Act of 1965. I almost view the biography and the political story of LBJ as being rather bound up in the political/racial issues and realities that were plaguing post-war (WW2 in this case) America at the time - segregation, Jim Crow laws, black folks not having the vote... These things were even becoming hopelessly anachronistic in the south by 1950, in many ways. Not to mention the cognitive dissonance about the war against fascism we had just fought, and the fact that, like the Germans, we still isolated a racial class of people in America and didn't provide them with the same full and equal rights as white Americans.

Anyway I'll stop, I just feel like I have to recommend Caro as much as possible to people who have never read his stuff. His biography of Johnson is just, in short, the greatest political writing I've ever read. I would frankly recommend anyone to start with Book 3, Master of the Senate, which is really the most intriguing and fascinating and eye-opening of all the 4 books, IMO.

I like you very much and have this book (Master of the Senate) queued up after I finish Christopher Hitchens' Jefferson bio and James Forman Jr's Locking Up Our Own.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2018 19:01

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Archyduchess posted:

out of those thousands of patients only 260 died, mostly thanks to the idiosyncratic and forward-thinking leadership of famous surgeon and Arctic explorer Isaac Hayes (not that Isaac Hayes)

Hate to nitpick, but YES THAT ISAAC HAYES

# ¿ Dec 1, 2018 19:15

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Archyduchess posted:

Nobody got to suffer the war at a distance.

In all seriousness, this is really the key to everything for me. It is difficult to even imagine what it would be like to have such a gigantic war happening in your own country, before advances in medicine and technology could mitigate the most horrific diseases and injuries and, as one has mentioned above, having images of war torn soldiers and battlefields for the first time, people were suffering the war in a very intimate pervasive way which was inescapable to even a fairly isolated citizen. It shackled the entirety of American culture and you know what, now I am fascinated in reading a lot more about Reconstruction in a cultural sense, what was going through people's everyday minds in society.

Who can recommend me some books about that? How did the Civil War humble Americans? How did it manifest in the years after?

# ¿ Dec 1, 2018 19:20

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

kaworu posted:

The book I would really recommend people read/listen to having to do with the Civil War is probably Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin. She's a fabulous writer, and it's an absolutely masterful book that paints the most real and true portrait of Lincoln that I've ever encountered in any sort of media. It is LIGHT YEARS better than the stupid Ken Burns documentary, and definitely FAR more worth your time, now that I really think about it. Listening to that book is better than watching the documentary!

Actually, I guess the film Lincoln was somewhat based on Goodwin's book, but it's taking like... one small aspect/part of the book and bringing it to life on the screen. The boook itself is much more about what was really going on in Lincoln's administration; the title refers to the cabinet which Lincoln assembled at the start of his first term, in 1860. Going very much against the grain of political wisdom (then or now) he chose to populate his cabinet with all his main rivals for the Republican nominations, partially in an effort to unify the party at what was a time that required as much unity as politics would allow for.

I read ToR and loved it to death. How is her book on LBJ?

# ¿ Dec 2, 2018 05:08

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Laterite posted:

Goddamn does Ian McShane own.

# ¿ Dec 6, 2018 21:43

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

The whole show is my favorite quote, jeez.

"Send her up when she arrives."
"Yes sir, uhm, I will, vigorously and immediately, and --"
"JUST SEND HER THE gently caress UP"

# ¿ Dec 14, 2018 19:59

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Something Tolliver says is probably the most horrible thing anyone says on the show. Can't remember it verbatim but something like "a woman is good for nothing lest she has maggots in her eyes."

I remember wincing hearing that. Cy really was a loving devil.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2018 20:00

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Al was doing what he needed to do to keep the camp in survival - he has a sort of abrasive approach (the *sigh* "god dammit" approach) to doing lovely things because he wishes he didn't need to do them. If it were up to him, he'd just be loving whores and drinking whiskey all day, but he sees himself as doing necessary evils to keep everything as peaceful as it can be. Again, that is not saying he is a good person, but he has ulterior motives which are rooted in his actual caring about the state of the camp and the people in it.

Cy is just a total loving soulless bastard who spouts about his hatred for people all throughout the show. Only he's emotional and short-sighted and is incapable of playing much of a long con.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2018 04:22

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Al also killed an innocent woman to save Trixie's life, so it's not like he was all silver-lining.

It's a perfect representation of a classic problem of moral philosophy. If you were in his position, do you really think you would be 100% dispassionate and sacrifice someone who is very close to him who everyone knows in the camp or a total stranger? We would all do this given the option. We would all kill a stranger instead of our significant other or parent or brother or best friend if it had to be one of the two with no other option.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2018 04:34

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

LividLiquid posted:

He had a little girl's family killed in the pilot, dude. And if memory serves, she was supposed to die too.

Again, I love characters like Al, and Al specifically especially, but decades of television portraying geniuses as assholes have convinced every rear end in a top hat who watches TV that they're a fuckin' genius. Call it the Rick and Morty effect.

Similarly, murderers and other unforgivable people with good intentions are enshrined above actual good people, because people who suck want to believe that they're only terrible for the general good.

I think we are talking past each other. My point is not that Al does good things or is a good person. Neither are true. It is more of a focus on Al's moral compass and intent. You can see that he mainly does things for a reason that he feels is above himself. People like Tolliver don't really have a rhyme or reason, it's just hatred.

Many people see the world as good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. In my opinion, nearly all people are just people with a dual nature and their own moral conceptions who sometimes do good things and sometimes do bad things, and who often do bad things despite good intentions. An action can be horrific but could still come from a person who actually believes they are doing good, and it can also be that it is the least bad option available out of a bunch of bad options.

In a lawless land that is ruthless to people who appear to be weak and overall ruthless in terms of the violence and disease and warfare and living conditions of most people, your incentives are different than they are now in safely regulated societies where you would have everything to lose.

I think the good people vs. bad people mentality shapes a lot of people's worldviews and I think it is incredibly flawed and lacks an understanding that we are all far more capable of being brought to a terrible transgression than we would like to think and ought to show more humility about it.

To end: no, Al is NOT a good person, and I totally agree that TV and film has made deplorable people "likeable" and it is a problem. I was just making the point that Al was driven by what he felt he needed to do and had a clear moral compass, whether or not you agreed with the compass. Cy was a rarer breed of man because he just seethed with hatred and didn't seem to give a gently caress about upholding any sort of moral code.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2018 04:59

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

It wasn't a stranger, iirc, it was one of the girls working for him, and tbf Trixie deserved to pay the price for what she did rather than someone innocent of the crime.

Well, I suppose a rewatch would do me well. If that's the case, that is much worse than what I had thought, but still doesn't detain my argument. I'm not arguing whatsoever that Al is a good person or has not done despicable things.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2018 05:01

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Cojawfee posted:

Did he have the girl's family killed? Even in private it seemed like he wanted to know who did it.

Yeah I don't remember Al having her family killed at all.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2018 05:01

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Bloodbath posted:

So hyped for this. Can�t believe it�s actually happening. Although I keep forgetting we�re only getting a movie not a series

If you like Johnny, check out his role in the excellent drama Rectify!

He is terrific on Rectify. His acting when his home is being searched while he pretends to laugh at cartoons on TV when he is actually terrified was probably the best scene of acting on that show.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2018 05:02

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

withak posted:

He's an rear end in a top hat who isn't dealing well with not being able to lord it over everything around him. Cf. his behavior to his underlings when Hearst humbles him even more in S3.

This. Cy continuously lost power and control throughout the show and was terrible at running any sort of long game or developing loyalty among people who had power over and he became absolutely vile as this was made clear.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2019 19:35

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

I trust you know 20 percent of nothing's fuckin nothing

# ¿ Feb 1, 2019 21:33

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Solice Kirsk posted:

Is it wrong that I'm hoping it's going to be like a 4 hour movie?

I think we already know it's about 2 hours.

# ¿ Mar 21, 2019 22:02

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Farnum was the loving best. His soliloquoys, his humor, how much of a bitter pathetic weasel he was. Such an amazing character.

# ¿ May 29, 2019 04:42

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

This was a masterpiece of a send-off. Such tender moments between the characters and man, Alma outbidding Hearst was so loving awesome.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2019 05:17

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Could the last line have been any better?

# ¿ Jun 2, 2019 13:39

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

I thought Sam Fields' dying words to Bullock was one of my favorite scenes in the whole series.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2019 15:31

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Yeah, I mean she had a reputation as a New York rich girl 10 years prior, before she had the gold claim and the bank and invested that money etc. I was under the impression that Alma was very wealthy.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2019 15:57

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Am I the only loser who watched with closed-captioning so I could make sure to get every word of the dialogue?

# ¿ Jun 3, 2019 00:33

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 10:33

fawning deference: Jul 4, 2018

Again, EB is the best

# ¿ Jun 11, 2019 15:47

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