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Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011
I'll have it from the library tonight, though it'll be waiting until after I finish this new Mosley book.

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Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011

Ben Nevis posted:

I'll have it from the library tonight, though it'll be waiting until after I finish this new Mosley book.

Just finished Arcadia, and I rather enjoyed it. One aspect, not really mentioned in reviews or summaries I've read, dovetailed nicely with the Mosley (John Woman) is the view of history as unknown and unknowable. I'm enjoying reading about this after the fact for the bits I didn't pick up on.

Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011

chernobyl kinsman posted:

i don't know about unknowable; Hannah does eventually figure out what happened with Thomasina and Septimus. she's right about pretty much everything, in fact, including that the drawing is by Fuseli, and it being of Lamb and Byron. but problems of interpretation - correct knowledge - are certainly central to the text. the first scene plays with this a lot; the best example is probably the risque banter when it sounds to lady coverly like septimus has slept with thomasina.

that bit and others are funny to us because we know what's going on, so we can laugh at the characters' incorrect interpretation, but Stoppard turns that around at the end of act 2: chloe tells hannah that her 'genius brother' is in love with her, and we (or at least I) and hannah both assume that's referring to valentine, the postgrad. the last action in the scene, though, is us being proved wrong, when it's revealed that chloe was referring to gus

Hannah figures out what happened, but acknowledges that she can't prove it. It's only because we have the earlier view that we know that. Even so, we're at the point were yet another historical note may turn up and change the complexion of the whole thing. It's the compliment to Valentine's grouse, knowing the endpoint doesn't necessarily make it easier to determine the starting point or what happened along the way.

Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011

Franchescanado posted:

I haven't finished listening/reading the play yet because work's been busy, but I was surprised with how witty and funny the first act was. I know the R&GAD is supposed to be funny, but Arcadia's premise sounded very dry at first. Pleasantly surprised that my assumptions were wrong.

Yeah, there were surprisingly many laughs, I thought.

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