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Who could have foreseen how constructing a police state to deal with immigration might end up being used to discipline unruly corporate franchise owners?

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7-Eleven accused of weaponizing ICE raids to shed troublesome franchisees

Most of America's 9,000 7-Eleven stores are owned by franchisees, many of them immigrants; the owners' contracts with 7-Eleven corporate allows the company to pull their franchises if they violate US law.

The current CEO of 7-Eleven is Joe DePinto, a West Point grad who got the job in 2005 and has spent his tenure slowly tightening the screw on franchisees, demanding business practices that return more profit to corporate HQ at the expense of the independent operators. As the franchisees have felt the sting, they've fought back, suing the company over DePinto's policies.

DePinto has become legendary for his dirty tricks campaign to get rid of his least-favored franchisees, from hiring private eyes to making secret recordings.

Now the franchisees allege that DePinto has started snitching on his own franchisees to ICE, directing government immigration raids against 7-Eleven stores. If these franchise owners are found to have illegally hired undocumented immigrants, DePinto can cancel their franchise agreements and kick them out of the business and take over their stores.

The evidence is circumstantial and 7-Eleven denies it, but ICE's raids on 7-Eleven stores have targeted owners who have made trouble for the company.

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When Carter Anderson paused and asked if anyone had questions, Serge Haitayan took a microphone. He owns a 7-Eleven on a highway lined by grape farms in Fresno, Calif. Last year he joined Sandhu in the lawsuit alleging 7-Eleven was wrongly treating them like employees. On July 16 of this year, three federal agents walked into the little store he�s operated for 28 years, giving him three days to produce employee records dating back a year. He did that, and he hasn�t heard from ICE since.

�Why is immigration targeting 7-Eleven?� Haitayan asked Carter Anderson, drawing a rumbling of support. �Why?�

Carter Anderson paused, smiling nervously, as she scanned the crowd. �I understand getting this question,� she said. �But I cannot specifically answer this question.�

Haitayan continued. �All I hear is 7-Eleven being raided. It seems to be we are the only ones being targeted by ICE. Why?�

�I�m sorry,� she said.

Even if the speculation here is wrong and ICE isn't being directed to go after unruly franchise owners the mere fact you can write a story openly hypothesizing about this and it doesn't even seem unusual or surprising really speaks to how much an unbelievably bad situation has become normalized.

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 18:18

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Condiv posted:

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1061689011259944960

this seems self-destructive if dems want to hold power. reversing course as soon as they gain power seems like a good way to depress the turnout of their base

As I was saying over in US Pol the real problem with the Democratic party isn't how it campaigns, it is how it governs.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2018 23:13

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Skex posted:

That's part of why I'm more forgiving of Democrat Politicians than many here, (yes even the bad ones) because probably the best analogy I have for the Democratic establishment from the last 30 years is that they are like an abused spouse who has been gas lit, lied to, lied about, attacked endlessly and mercilessly by the Republicans and their complicit media.

*Sighing* "We did 20 hot takes, and that was the best one"

# ¿ Jan 9, 2019 18:21

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OAquinas posted:

This is 100% accurate. Speaker Pelosi has the complete right to refuse Trump to step foot on the floor--it's where the whole "knock on the door" ritual comes from.

I do love these casual reminders that the office of President is directly modeled on that of King.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2019 20:12

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Silver2195 posted:

IMO, the President’s symbolic kingship is a problem with the US system of government. The President is perceived as having a degree of dignity simply by virtue of holding the office in a way that, say, the Speaker of the House (or the UK Prime Minister) isn’t. Maybe there should be some sort of separate “rex sacer” position to absorb some of the ceremonial importance.

I think it's just a symptom of the bigger problem of having the executive and legislative branches being so separate under the American constitution. In most systems the equivalent to Speaker of the House would be the head of government.

Well What Now posted:

The real problem is that the founding fathers knew that had to have safeguards against morons like Trump getting elected but were too enamored with to make those safeguards strong enough.

Trump won because of the electoral college so he actually go in thanks to one of the 'safeguards' against democracy that the founders put in place.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2019 21:11

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VikingofRock posted:

I think it's fine to have separate executive and legislative branches, but the presidency is a little weird. Instead we should elect the head of the various departments separately and eliminate the presidency altogether. Then you wouldn't have such centralized power and people could have more fine-grained control over which policies to promote.

"People" here being rich folks and a handful of well organized interest groups.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2019 21:38

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saintonan posted:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1086230807189090304

Barely any of the Cohen perjury news has made air on Fox News. They're literally in a different reality.

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1086221279777177600

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1086233143437389825

I kind of assumed that Fox news would need some kind of rationalization for its viewers to regurgitate to their more liberal family members and co-workers. But maybe we're past that point and I honestly don't even know how often conservatives and liberals casually associate to argue about politics any more in the real world.

I look forward to reaching a point where media has become so divided that liberals and conservatives have entirely different news cycles occurring simultaneously and the 'national media' stops existing even as a vague residual concept.

# ¿ Jan 18, 2019 20:43

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What is the actual threat posed by Russia to the United States?

# ¿ Jan 20, 2019 01:37

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To keep this linked to the stories being discussed: Israeli lobbying and the overlap between the perception of Isreali interests and American interests within the foreign policy blob actively contributes to America's massive spending on its military and its tendency to invade and blow up other countries.

The Israeli lobby almost certainly does inflict more harm on American interests and living standards than anything Russia could accomplish by buying off a single President. It's just that the kind of influence Israel wields wouldn't make for a compelling Tom Clancy novel so of course people are way less concerned about it compared to the more flashy narrative about a President being bought off with corrupt land deals and secret sex tapes, even though in terms of actual material impact on the world it's obvious that the Isreal lobby wields a lot more influence (for the bad) than Putin does in the halls of Washington.

# ¿ Jan 20, 2019 01:39

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I'd like to continue this discussion but we might need to move it into a different thread.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2019 08:12

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Solvent posted:

I was annoyed when I saw that picture of that kid seemingly (Sandmann) taunting the protesting old man (Phillips). But since I saw this video I've been shaking with anger.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...m=.304607a182ad

�Look at us, God, look at what is going on here; my America is being torn apart by racism, hatred, bigotry.� -Phillips

It's only one clear example of fake news, but god drat wait till Emperor Cheeto gets his stubby little fingers on it.

These guys are reinforcing an insane narrative with these stunts, and as of now have successfully trolled a bunch of kids, and a group of civil rights protesters... and the national media.

How does any of this make a bunch of racist white shitheads in MAGA hats come off looking any worse than before?

# ¿ Jan 22, 2019 19:36

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James Garfield posted:

I don't think "until 1866 it was legal to make people work for free" is a good description of slavery.

Not least of all because it remained legal after 1866.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2019 20:11

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PhazonLink posted:

Unless he's been trying to do a lot of non regressive deeds before the switch, why the gently caress would any Dem want to work with him?

Like I want to give the non zero amount of Rs switching a hand but come on.

Politicians have more in common with each other than their constituents.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2019 21:35

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FoolyCharged posted:

The article literally has a picture of a banner reading death to the kkk. It describes the dudes with guns as "left wing militia". They are literally wearing masks and burning effigies. That's a crowd working itself up to go after "the other guy" and it wouldn't have taken much for stuff to get ugly.

The nazis in question had already had their permit declined and canned their rally when people the knew in the police said they'd get arrested if they showed up. So yeah, can't even call it an effective deterrent because the law already was one.

FoolyCharged posted:

The cops did a pretty good job of telling them to gently caress off this time.

This implication that Nazi sympathetic police officers were communicating behind the scenes with the KKK doesn't quit read the way you want it to.

# ¿ Feb 6, 2019 00:22

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FoolyCharged posted:

Yes, ones with the remarkable power to.. tell the guy publicly declaring he'll ignore the law that he'll get arrested if he does that. They have truly infiltrated our systems and possess power unlimited.

FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed?

PBS posted:

In the 2006 bulletin, the FBI detailed the threat of white nationalists and skinheads infiltrating police in order to disrupt investigations against fellow members and recruit other supremacists. The bulletin was released during a period of scandal for many law enforcement agencies throughout the country, including a neo-Nazi gang formed by members of the Los Angeles County Sheriff�s Department who harassed black and Latino communities. Similar investigations revealed officers and entire agencies with hate group ties in Illinois, Ohio and Texas.

Much of the bulletin has been redacted, but in it, the FBI identified white supremacists in law enforcement as a concern, because of their access to both �restricted areas vulnerable to sabotage� and elected officials or people who could be seen as �potential targets for violence.� The memo also warned of �ghost skins,� hate group members who don�t overtly display their beliefs in order to �blend into society and covertly advance white supremacist causes.�

�At least one white supremacist group has reportedly encouraged ghost skins to seek positions in law enforcement for the capability of alerting skinhead crews of pending investigative action against them,� the report read.

Problems with white supremacists in law enforcement have surfaced since that report. In 2014, two Florida officers � including a deputy police chief � were fired after an FBI informant outed them as members of the Ku Klux Klan. It marked the second time within five years that the agency uncovered an officer�s membership in the KKK. Several agencies nationwide have also launched investigations into personnel who may not be formal hate group members, but face allegations of race-based misconduct.

Social media has made it easier to expose white supremacists who serve in law enforcement. In September 2015, a North Carolina police officer was fired after a picture of him giving a Nazi salute surfaced on Facebook. And as recently as August, the Philadelphia Police Department launched an internal investigation after attendees of a Black Lives Matter rally outside the Democratic National Convention spotted an officer in charge of crowd control with a tattoo of the Nazi Party emblem on his forearm and posted the image on Instagram.

�Many people in these communities of color feel they have been the subject of police violence for decades,� said Samuel Jones, professor of law at the John Marshall School of Law in Chicago. �And when an officer engages in conduct that adds or enhances that divide, they are ultimately jeopardizing the integrity of their agencies and putting their fellow officers in danger.�

Even the FBI Thinks Police Have Links to White Supremacists � but Don�t Tell the New York Times

The Intercept posted:

THE TIMES PIECE has a passage on a joint 2009 assessment by DHS and the FBI, which warned of the growing white supremacist threat. The assessment caused outrage among adherents of the growing right-wing political movement known as the tea party, as well as conservatives in general; among other complaints, they took umbrage at the report�s claim that veterans were at high risk of right-wing radicalization. Then-DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano bowed to the pressure, disavowed the document, and apologized to veterans. But as the report�s lead researcher, Daryl Johnson, told Speri last year, �Federal law enforcement agencies in general � the FBI, the Marshals, the [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives] � are aware that extremists have infiltrated state and local law enforcement agencies and that there are people in law enforcement agencies that may be sympathetic to these groups.�

The least we might expect from the Times story � which, according to the author, took over a year to report � would be for it to include federal agencies� own admissions of white supremacist infiltration in policing. A true reckoning with law enforcement�s role in American white supremacy would address the dark and unfinished history of policing as a racist institution, from its birth in the slave patrols of the 18th century, to its historic presence in the KKK, to the innumerable instances of racism by the police and the continued threat policing poses to black life.

As if to provide an example of how to do it, the day before the Times Magazine story went live, the Washington Post published an article that detailed the systemic racism and misconduct of the police department in Little Rock, Arkansas, including the hiring of an officer who had attended a KKK meeting and went on to shoot dead a 15-year-old black child in 2012. The story of this officer, the Post�s Radley Balko wrote, �isn�t one of a rogue, aberrant cop so much as a glimpse into the police culture of Arkansas�s largest city.�

Reitman�s Times piece mentions that police have shown a tendency to target Black Lives Matter protesters above neo-Nazis, but declines to mention that Black Lives Matter � the central anti-racist movement of our time � is a movement against racist police brutality. Reitman�s piece reads as if the message of Black Lives Matter � that white supremacy undergirds U.S. policing � has fallen on deaf ears.

Meanwhile, Reitman did manage to include a comment from Nate Snyder, a counterterrorism adviser to the Obama administration, recalling local police officers asking for help fighting neo-Nazi skinheads. �They�d be like, �Thanks for that stuff on Al Qaeda, but what I really need to know is how to handle the Hammerskin population in my jurisdiction,�� Snyder said. This no doubt took place, but to include this information and leave out explicit police involvement with neo-Nazis and their racist fellow travelers paints a misleading picture of generally well-intentioned local cops, stymied by Washington�s priorities.

The FBI has Quietly Investigated White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement

The Intercept posted:

N 2009, SHORTLY after the election of Barack Obama, a Department of Homeland Security intelligence study, written in coordination with the FBI, warned of the �resurgence� of right-wing extremism. �Right-wing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African-American president, and are focusing their efforts to recruit new members, mobilize existing supporters, and broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda,� the report noted, singling out �disgruntled military veterans� as likely targets of recruitment. �Right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat.�

The report concluded that �lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent right-wing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States.� Released just ahead of nationwide Tea Party protests, the report caused an uproar among conservatives, who were particularly angered by the suggestion that veterans might be implicated, and by the broad brush with which the report seemed to paint a range of right-wing groups.

Faced with mounting criticism, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano disavowed the document and apologized to veterans. The agency�s unit investigating right-wing extremism was largely dismantled and the report�s lead investigator was pushed out. �They stopped doing intel on that, and that was that,� Heidi Beirich, who leads the Southern Poverty Law Center�s tracking of extremist groups, told The Intercept. �The FBI in theory investigates right-wing terrorism and right-wing extremism, but they have limited resources. The loss of that unit was a loss for a lot of people who did this kind of work.�

�Federal law enforcement agencies in general � the FBI, the Marshals, the ATF � are aware that extremists have infiltrated state and local law enforcement agencies and that there are people in law enforcement agencies that may be sympathetic to these groups,� said Daryl Johnson, who was the lead researcher on the DHS report. Johnson, who now runs DT Analytics, a consulting firm that analyzes domestic extremism, says the problem has since gotten �a lot more troublesome.�

Johnson singled out the Oath Keepers and the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association for their anti-government attitudes and efforts to recruit active as well as retired law enforcement officers. �That�s the biggest issue and it�s greater now than it�s ever been, in my opinion.� Johnson added that Homeland Security has given up tracking right-wing domestic extremists. �It�s only the FBI now,� he said, adding that local police departments don�t seem to be doing anything to address the problem. �There�s not even any training now to make state and local police aware of these groups and how they could infiltrate their ranks.�

A spokesperson for DHS declined to comment on the 2009 report or on the agency�s specific concerns about white supremacist and right-wing groups.

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Sucrose posted:

IMO, this should pretty much settle the question right here. Black Virginians are the hurt party here, so it should be pretty much down to them to decide whether Northam ought to resign. If black Virginians want him to stay by a fairly wide margin, then he should stay and whites should stop demanding that he resign over the issue.

In full disclosure I said earlier elsewhere on the internet that I thought he should resign when the story first broke, but I’m white and it’s not my place to decide.

Uhm, even ignoring the dumbness of treating some random poll as an authoritative demonstration of what "Black Virginians" want (also leaving aside your assumption they're a monolithic voting block rather than being just as varied in their opinions as 'white Virginians') surely the incredibly negative things this incident says about Northam's integrity and honesty should cause anyone to question whether they would really want him in charge of anything.

"I'm not even allowed to have an opinion on the governor being a blatant self serving liar because the thing he was lying about was racism and I'm not a minority" seems like an insanely reductive and poorly thought out version of identity politics.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2019 21:38

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Sucrose posted:

The point is that as a white person, I'm not allowed to decide how offensive or unforgivable a particular person dressing in blackface is. Or alternatively, I can have an opinion, but should defer to the positions of actual black people on the subject and not try and make decisions on behalf of them.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2019 23:12

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mystes posted:

It wouldn't be good for a Republican to become governor this way, but having the current elected governor, lieutenant governor, etc. resign and appoint someone who was not elected by the people of the state the new governor is really not good at all either either.

Why not?

# ¿ Feb 11, 2019 19:27

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FoolyCharged posted:

Because people should be voted into office based upon their individual skills and beliefs, not whether they have a D or an R next to their name? And that credit for their victory should be assigned to those things and not what letter was next to their name?

Saying that voting for someone is all about their party is how you get indicted people getting elected as attorney generals, because the alternative is supporting the other party.

This delusional conviction that politics is (or at least should be) primarily a matter of choosing the best individuals to lead rather than an ugly and neverending tug of war between rival interest groups is probably one of the single most harmful and dangerous beliefs in American history.

# ¿ Feb 11, 2019 22:20

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Gyges posted:

No war, pestilence, famine, disaster, or unrest.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2019 18:27

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Gyges posted:

As the cause of the fall. Obviously those exist, but the inciting incident is an idiot running unchecked, because stopping him wouldn't own the libs.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2019 18:48

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I know it's very easy to slip into the habit of thinking that the only real causal force in the world is American domestic partisan politics and that literally everything else in the world is often interpreted through that lens, but maybe a major geopolitical shift going back decades has causes that are a bit more complicated than a single election from less than two years ago.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2019 18:58

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Gyges posted:

Yes, it's just a very silly possible cap to the developing shift. Didn't mean to imply that the American Hegemon was in full health and power until Donny flipped the off switch. Rather that it's endured through decades of work, retarding it's decay, which he's just making GBS threads all over because he doesn't understand anything but "Deals". Can we reach full fall of the empire before the orange stains are finally cleaned from the White House tub?

I was being a performative jackass there for the sake of making a point and for the record I do agree that Trump's actions in the presidency will have long term consequences. Still, it really can't be emphasized enough that most of the decline of American (or European for that matter) power is a reversion to the long term historical norm. It was only relatively recently that the Atlantic basin became the centre of geopolitics and the world economy, and as the gains from the industrial revolution continue to disperse throughout the world it's quite predictable that the disproportionate power and influence of the countries that industrialized first would somewhat diminish.

Most of the trends we're seeing today go back to the mid-20th century or earlier. I think it's often hard for Americans to see this because 1) they're not taught to recognize that their country was the natural successor to European imperialism and 2) they tend to think history started in 1945 and assume every event in world history is directly a result of either a good or bad thing that America did.

It is good to occasionally remind yourself that most of the major trends in world history are beyond the power of any President, good or bad, to control.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2019 23:10

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"We have has a very good relationship with Maggie Haberman of Politico over the last year. We have had her tee up stories for us before and have never been disappointed."

# ¿ Mar 1, 2019 15:56

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Pope Guilty posted:

How are the Democrats this loving dumb?

They're not dumb they just more or less agree with the Republicans on a lot of stuff.

The Hill, Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s posted:

President Obama said his economic policies are "so mainstream" he'd be considered a moderate Republican in the 1980s.

In a Thursday interview with a Miami-based local television station, Obama said he thinks few people believe he wants to impose socialism on the country.

"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican," he told Noticias Univision 23 in a White House interview.

New York Times, In Their Own Words: Obama on Reagan posted:

�I don�t want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what�s different are the times. I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.

"He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the 60s and the 70s, and government had grown and grown, but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people just tapped into -- he tapped into what people were already feeling, which was, we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.

How mysterious that a guy who self describes himself as having the politics of a Reagan Republican would want to continue the Reagan legacy of taking security away from working people and handing more tax cuts to the job creators.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2019 16:36

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My experience from my time as a manager / operations guy at a service industry job (though not in food thank god) was that the owner of the company was more or less incapable of appreciating that maybe paying slightly better wages and giving a bit more job security to workers would actually improve the organization's performance.

Also the longer you're in a management role in that environment the more you're drawn to the dark side. Employee retention and having workers who are confident in their jobs and know they are valuable to the company can create a situation where people might want a bit more money or some control over their schedules. I realized by the time I quit that for management it was actually better to have a really demotivated and temporary workforce with low job security because it meant people wouldn't fight back when you gave them poo poo jobs. So while the organization as a whole was made less efficient it was clear that the day to day operations of the company proceeded much more smoothly with a demoralized and broken work force. Not to mention that everyone else in the office had more or less open contempt for the workers in the field.

Meanwhile the owner was a relatively young guy who seemed to only think of business in terms of cost reduction. He'd regularly complain about struggling to fill positions or retain people but didn't accept that solving this problem might entail making the job more attractive. I think in his mind he really genuinely just thought it was a personal failing of everyone around him that they wouldn't work harder for less money. He certainly didn't seem to realize that he actively harming the efficiency of the organization through his management policies and that he was coasting off the accumulated successes of the older owner.

What I'm saying here is smash capitalism.

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Remember that period of like 24 months when every political discussion on these forums revolved around what particular topographical feature you were willing to expire upon.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2019 18:44

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