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Oct 9, 2005


I cannot imagine the failson willing to join the administration at this point.

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Oct 9, 2005


BrandorKP posted:

The guy who is acting CoS, was acting head of the CFPB, who was orginally appointed to what was it? OMB?

I like that if you started as coffee boy in the Trump administration you had a legit shot at running an entire agency within six months.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...m=.f7046333cf04

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Oct 9, 2005


Lightning Knight posted:

Yes it is, we just don’t recognize it as such because we’ve been conditioned to accept American corporate media as inherently legitimate and well-intentioned.

I think the discussion of exactly what level of terrible RT is versus American corporate media is interesting but a debate worth having elsewhere in this forum for debate. For now I think RT and adjacent media is relevant enough to allow and if nothing else deserves a response when it comes up if you feel it’s super dangerous.

There’s also the reality that there are people who are platformed by RT et. al. who are newsworthy in themselves, like Greenwald or Richard Wolff.

Edit: here is the thread I referenced -

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3876538&perpage=40&pagenumber=6

I think this is a good discussion to continue there.

I'm beginning to see now why evilweasel keeps getting probed for calling a spade a spade

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Oct 9, 2005


Charlz Guybon posted:

This is literal insanity. I feel like they're trying to gaslight us.

Of all the states on that list, Florida was the closest in 2018. How is it not the definition of a swing state?

PPJ, this is at least the second time you've posted a nuclear bullshit disinformation take from Hugh Hewitt, who is the living definition of an empty right-wing shill. Please stop.

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Oct 9, 2005


Am I reading correctly that Pelosi is actually preventing Trump from giving a SotU address at this point? Like he can't just show up anyway? If so lol.

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Oct 9, 2005


Dapper_Swindler posted:

oh agreed. but back then, but i think their minds of that time couldnt comprehend a person like trump. like sure, lovely failson leaders existed but they mostly sat around loving people and pissing away the treasury until they died. mad dog king/leader type dipshits like trump existed but they were usually "taken care of" by some smarter member of the royal family.

Essentially, nation-state political bureaucracies were well into the phase of removing monarchs from power in all but name. It didn't matter too much if the King of England, France, or the Pope was a genetic abomination that spent most of their time looking for the mushroom that would grant them immortality. They were not in charge of taxation or raising armies.

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Oct 9, 2005


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...m=.d55036609746

It's possible that it was a mistake to hire Rudy Guiliani to do... whatever it is he is doing

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Oct 9, 2005


Nixon surviving impeachment was mathematically impossible. Trump? I don't know. The Senate just failed to preserve a sanctions regimen in a move that makes them all look like Russian toadies.

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Oct 9, 2005


Herstory Begins Now posted:

Look it is absurd to suggest that russia controls anyone in the us govt, someone on the internet says so.

I didn't even suggest that we had traitors in the Senate or even get to the obvious "Maybe they'll just vote however Trump wants them to if an impeachment gets under way." Just suggested they made a vote to lift sanctions that makes them look like Russian toadies. Which it does.

Since then we've entered into a gray zone where the Buzzfeed article may in whole or in part be false.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.108f2b7ae586

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Oct 9, 2005


Kith posted:

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1088138726545461248

Trump recognizing Juan Guaido is honestly a very surprising move given how much he was willing to fellate Maduro.

This definitely won't end up like the Chavez fiasco where Maduro can leverage tensions with the U.S. to make himself seem heroic and put egg on the U.S. government's face when he stays in power.

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Oct 9, 2005



It falls upon the state department I suppose to make an edict.

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Oct 9, 2005



Eh I think this is an escape hatch to never try this again without saying you won't try it again.

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Oct 9, 2005


Discendo Vox posted:

I'm not saying it's fake, I'm saying it's a bad faith medium post by an opposition researcher. C'mon.

Well hey at least PPJ isn't retweeting Hugh Hewitt anymore

Anyway, Saikat Chakrabarti, AOC's chief of staff, is tearing this article a new one in the comments.

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Oct 9, 2005


Elector_Nerdlingen posted:

I don't have that much of a clue about US law, but is stuff like "Mr. Trump's personal lawyers reviewed and edited my statement to Congress... ...before I gave it" a big deal? My dad's gonna want to chat about this (in terms of his weekly "holy poo poo, did you see what those assholes in my old country did" phone call) and I'd like to have some idea what to tell him.

e: Also his "for the benefit of and at the direction of... Donald Trump" seems like an extremely big deal but again, what do I know.

I think the implication is that they would not approve anything that they could prove was untrue.

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Oct 9, 2005


Hieronymous Alloy posted:

The problem with that theory is that all the claims supporting the notion that Jussie faked anything -- are sourced through the cops, who we now know were acting in bad faith.

At this point possibilities range from "Smollett was entirely innocent of any wrongdoing" to "Smollett did something bad, but whatever it was, the cops appear to have been actively attempting to frame him for something worse".

I don't know that we know this. It's just very likely given what the DA did, presuming the DA is not a total moron.

The part where the DA may have just forced themselves into retirement due to irreparable breakdown in trust with the police is also interesting.

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Oct 9, 2005


Z. Autobahn posted:

tbh I feel like 95% of the people still insisting the story is fake are just because it "feels fake" and are being guided by their intuitions. Not the idea of a gay black man being attacked, obviously, but the specific details. Like I remember during the Kavanaugh thing there was a Twitter thread by a professor who specializes in hoax claims, and she listed her list of things to look for as a way of showing that Ford's testimony was legitimate, things like how hoaxes tend towards overkill and clean easily followable narratives (the perps yelling exactly how they knew him and why they were doing it), while real claims tend to have lots of unrelated or even 'narratively contradictory' details (like how in the Kavanaugh case, the other boy falling on Brett is a bit of almost-slapstick).

Like there's zero evidence that it was fake at this point, but I think a lot of people just think it 'feels fake' and that's a hard feeling to shake

(Worth noting that it's entirely possible the attack was 'fake' in the sense that it was some people, like the brothers, loving with Jussie and he's still the victim who had nothing do to with it; this almost seems like the most plausible scenario at this point).

Everything seemed reasonably clear until the DA dropped/deferred (it is still unclear which they did, based on reports I've read), but a large part of that "clarity" comes from the PD attempting to try Smollett in the court of public opinion. This is a totally bizarre, extremely unusual story and your personal political predilections can shape what seems certain, unclear, doubtful, or impossible.

Will be interesting to see if Smollett reappears on Empire.

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Oct 9, 2005


VitalSigns posted:

Yeah we do, even if we assume that the cops were just too stupid/incompetent to figure out why someone who needs personal training would write personal trainers a check for their personal training fee, and chalk up all the other info they leaked which turned out to be false as them being too stupid to do their jobs, you can't chalk up leaking damaging information about an active investigation to the press up to incompetence that was definitely bad faith.

Point of clarity, the information they leaked has not been proven true or untrue, but at some point a grand jury did pass down 16 counts.

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Oct 9, 2005


On the one hand, thanks WaPo:

quote:

Was there a plea deal?
Both the prosecution and defense danced around whether Smollett made a deal with prosecutors. (Presumably, Smollett did not want to admit guilt, and prosecutors wanted to avoid conceding the alternative.)

Semantics aside, Smollett agreed to a set of conditions that he satisfied before the charges were dismissed Tuesday.

The prosecution required the actor to complete 16 hours of community service through the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, a Chicago-based social justice organization, according to State’s Attorney’s Office spokeswoman Kiera Ellis.

Smollett spent Saturday and Monday volunteering, the New York Times reported, lending a hand in the bookstore and speaking to children “about the importance of discipline and a good attitude.”

The actor also agreed to forfeit the $10,000 bond he posted to avoid being held in jail, a sum he otherwise would have gotten back.

“Had there been no forfeiture of his bond to the City of Chicago or community service, we would not have dismissed the charges,” Ellis said.

On the other hand, woof, there's a lot to unpack here:

quote:

If prosecutors had a strong case against Smollett, why would they drop the charges?
A prosecutor’s job is not to seek the most serious conviction or severe penalty. It’s to do justice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts...m=.29b52422adae

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Oct 9, 2005


sexpig by night posted:

'why would you be at a trial if you weren't guilty' is some deeply fascist logic my dude

Speaking of logic, meanwhile, many in the thread have decided that because the prosecution has dropped/semi-sort-of-but-not-really-deferred the charges, all the evidence is fake.


Gyges posted:

It's a well worn saying that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich.

Point taken.

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Oct 9, 2005


Herstory Begins Now posted:

TO be fair, according to the released case documents there is actually no evidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6VjPM5CeWs

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Oct 9, 2005


Silver2195 posted:

I think Laura has confused trans people with transhumanists...

Almost certainly what has happened here.

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Oct 9, 2005


Moktaro posted:

I guess that Secret Service guy never watched Skyfall. :v:

"Hello, I need to find the troubleshooting article for when I plug in a USB stick and the SIS Building explodes."

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Oct 9, 2005


Flesh Forge posted:

There is this totally alien concept "who will people actually want to vote for" that gets lost in all Stopping Socialism :shrug:

"Stopping Socialism" this week are articles just asking questions on why Bernie won't apologize to America for being a millionaire 1%er.

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Oct 9, 2005


Weld is another former governor with a quixotic flirtation in out-of-mainstream politics since leaving office and who is running because he has nothing to lose. He's a nobody and represents no threat to Trump whatsoever.

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Oct 9, 2005


lifetime supply of Pocky posted:

Also, I think the poster is doing it based on complaints by people who dislike the twitter updates that "no context am bad," putting the tweet-poster in a bit of a bind. I love twitter dumps, so I'm ok with the one sentence compromise.

Those people are angry that they no longer live in a time warp where Twitter doesn't exist, but posting "I agree" after every single tweet is actually worse than that

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Oct 9, 2005


Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Didn't say who would be reading them!

"Do the sentient cockroaches really read this stuff, dad?"
"We don't know what they do besides eat people who stop working. So keep at it."

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Oct 9, 2005



If we have a 2008-style crash under Trump, the words "we're all going to die" spring to mind.

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Oct 9, 2005


Data Graham posted:

“Traitors” doesn’t make nearly as good a high school mascot

Chaos Space Americans

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Oct 9, 2005


bird food bathtub posted:

Why wouldn't they ask for more?

They took the legislature hostage and tried to force armed conflict. As punishment, they got what they wanted. The bill is dead.

That's not even "negotiating with terrorists" level of bad idea. That's transcended to, "Maybe if we give this German chap the country he wants this will all blow over."

Threatening armed resistance is now a valid form of government, so why not repeat it and get more of what they want? It's nothing but positives in the eyes of the fascists. They lost nothing for doing it and gained what they wanted.

So, again, why not do it more often?

There's some electoral math behind constantly walking out on your government and it's not good. IIRC most of the state senators who walked did not also threaten to kill anyone who came looking for them.

Baldfaced stunts in state politics are nothing new.

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Oct 9, 2005


xrunner posted:

At this point I just feel bad for starting this whole derail because I was just telling a funny anecdote to illustrate that so much boomer and gen-x hate is really just about being pissed that things change and they aren't the pounding beating heart of youth culture anymore.

First of all, it's a style issue, not a grammar issue. Second, if you have house style for your company (or you use Chicago style for example) you can wave in his face and tell him to stfu. But he has disastrously poor email etiquette even for a boomer, so none of that is problem #1.

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Oct 9, 2005


"Nobody should have a million dollars" is a bad take. Don't cast it negatively. The actual good take is "everyone should be able to retire and live comfortably," which is generally an aspiration everyone can agree upon, and not an arbitrary number meant to signify how much you despise the wealthy. The latter is just the lefty version of "he's hurting the wrong people!"

Make a system where everyone is guaranteed 100% of their income for the rest of their natural lives when they retire at X years old, regardless of how the market is doing. That's an actual goal to build policy around. People don't generally care about how much you want to torture millionaires. They want health care and a safety net.

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Oct 9, 2005


Ytlaya posted:

Again, these are ethical questions. It's not a question of whether it's a reasonable current priority or whether it's practical in the short-term, but whether it's ethically justifiable for a person to have that much wealth in the first place.

(It should go without saying that when I say "$1M" I'm referring to the rough value that money has in the US in 2019; obviously it will differ with inflation)

It remains an arbitrary number that is actually less than what most Americans will need to retire comfortably at this point, based on common financial planning (hence most people won't be able to retire comfortably or at all, despite the world's wealth being concentrated in this nation). Mansplaining basic socialist doctrine doesn't change any of this, but it is a problem that politicians should be grappling with and largely aren't.

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Oct 9, 2005


Jethro posted:

I feel like the ongoing college admissions bribery trial is a great example of the petite bourgeoisie. People who are rich so they think they should be able to buy their kids' way into college, but they (and the people saying "why didn't they just donate to the college like rich people have always done?") don't realize the nearly unimaginable levels of wealth needed to do that sort of thing, at least when it comes to making a dent at a school with a multi-billion dollar endowment. "I can't just give a couple mil and get my kid into <prestegious school>? Sure a donation that size might make an impact (and get my idiot child past the admissions office) at a tiny, decent quality, unknown liberal arts college, but what's the point of sending my kid to a school no one's ever heard of? Maybe I'll just engage in some nice affordable bribery instead."

A bourgeoisie is Roger Goodell

A petite bourgeoisie is a NFL football player, or Jay-Z pretending to be woke until someone offers him an ownership stake

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Oct 9, 2005


Sundae posted:

Methinks some people may not be clear on the definitions and just think anyone with a good paycheck needs the guillotine. :ssh:

That's kinda the joke, yes. Also we take solace in our lowly worlds whenever a rich person bootlicks for another rich person.

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Oct 9, 2005


People act like Bolton signed a deal with the Devil. Frankly, the Devil needed a deal, because he's woefully short on experts in any field of government willing to work for him. Bolton, who most foreign policy experts consider to be insane, represented the best Trump could get on foreign policy, because at least as an experienced official from the neocon era Bolton could be said to have a strategy.

If it were up to Bolton we'd be bombing and invading all kinds of poo poo and re-committing forces in places we were supposed to be drawing down.

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Oct 9, 2005


Sanguinia posted:

We're going to spend the rest of our lives trying to repair the damage Trump did, and then climate change will kill us all before we finish.

In the short term, if Kavanaugh outlaws abortion, Olympia Snowe is cooked.

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Oct 9, 2005


Stickman posted:

Pence is a wet fart. Conservatives don't particularly like him, and he has none of the qualities that have led to Trump eking out "success". President Pence being the 2020 incumbent candidate is not a favorable position for Republicans.

He's a bog standard Moral Majority-era social conservative, if it comes down to someone actually having to pull the lever for him, yeah that's not a Republican win.

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Oct 9, 2005



Quickly becoming clear why Giuliani was running point on this operation. He was in too deep not to.

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Oct 9, 2005


Captain Invictus posted:

isn't their entire thing essentially "we exist to eternally remind you that when you make or change laws to promote religion that it applies to every religion including one that is diametrically opposed to yours, so maybe be careful what you wish for"

It's also an organized clapback on conservatives working overtime to make Prosperity Gospel Christianity the official state religion.

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An important detail here is that experts are wholeheartedly against a contract this big being awarded to a single company, as it's a massive security weakness.

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