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mobby_6kl posted:Yeah I'm pretty sure everyone just pretends Season 2 doesn't exist now. Season 2 had some very unique scenes that the world is better off for existing. It would have also been better received if season 1 didn’t exist.
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El_Elegante posted:I don’t think they reference season 2 at all, so they? They did
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Mar 5, 2019 07:26
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Laura Palmer was a survivor of the dadcult
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Chubby Henparty posted:Laura Palmer was a survivor of the dadcult Do you think the Pink Room also had a zig-zag floor?
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I’d kill for a direct reference linking the two series.
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I feel like this thread is full of improv as the documentary director who's desperate to unravel a great conspiracy.
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The_Doctor posted:I’d kill for a direct reference linking the two series. https://youtu.be/zVV0LWIfGwk?t=111
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Despera posted:"Do you like kids Mr. ?" I'm only up to episode 2 but this is probably my favorite line I've heard on tv this year.
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Sickening posted:Season 2 had some very unique scenes that the world is better off for existing. It would have also been better received if season 1 didn’t exist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHOGs5x90PU
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I guess Nic has an idea for Season 4 he’s really excited about, I wonder what book he just finished reading lol
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I can’t decide if I actually liked season 2 in retrospect or what. It was just so odd yet it was different which is my only real complaint about season 3 is it’s similar to season 1.
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I for sure like season 2, but it’s got flaws: the central mystery is really poorly paced, Taylor Kitsch’s character doesn’t change over the course of the narrative, and rape as backstory for Rachel Mcadams’ character is not a clever or interesting use of a well worn trope.
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I didn't enjoy season 3 at all. So unbelievably boring and ended on an exposition dump to a boring outcome. The constant scenes between Hays and his wife led no where and definitely wasn't what people tuned in to watch. Season 2 was trash but at least it attempted to be exciting or interesting.
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While more focused than the last season, season 3 was indeed a hot pile of misleading, meandering, albeit well-acted nothing. The speculation was by far the funnest part of the season, with pretty much every fan theory being more interesting and thoughtful than the actual outcome. It was beyond weird to see the show's creator go to social media to actively shoot down fan theories, which is tantamount to a stadium telling the tailgaters outside of the football game to "gently caress off". There will always be season 1, but after 2 bum seasons I hope HBO puts a fork in it and funds other projects.
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Did people miss all the meandering and ruminating about life in S1? Or do they only remember Rust saying nihilist poo poo, the one-take cutscene, and the showdown? For people getting into noir: the central mystery doesn't mean poo poo, the macguffins are there to hang a minimal plot on, the red herrings are even more pointless, and the entire deal is to look at characters and relationships. It's literary fiction + crimes. Though I do think the parlour scene with the flashbacks was dumb and they weighed too heavily on the husband/wife thing without much reason to (we know she stuck around and the kids were safe, etc.). SaviourX fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Mar 10, 2019 |
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Mar 10, 2019 22:50
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Imagine reading The Big Sleep or watching Chinatown and saying the plot doesn’t mean poo poo. Thats an incredibly stupid take, first in class really.
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The low key real season 2 for True Detective is Sharp Objects. 
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But I thought it was The Night Of?
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Did anyone else catch the part where the police lady tells Hays that they faxed over the phone records from Las Vegas, then hands him a stack of green & white lined dot matrix printouts instead? And apparently no one batted an eye about a dementia patient keeping guns around. Also Hays's Dad Jeans in the last few 90s scenes were very 90s.
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withak posted:And apparently no one batted an eye about a dementia patient keeping guns around. 'murica 
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withak posted:
West voiced his concern to Hays’ son.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Same thing, just a different jumping off point. I see the kidnapping as the impetus for the slow-burn disaster since just losing the kid wouldn't have brought about all of that. I do like how there really wasn't a "bad guy" this season (in my interpretation) but that everyone was trying to do, essentially, what they thought was the right thing. Harris James murders people for money at the direction of Hoyt. Not a bad guy. Anyways, moving on. Hays remembering 'Nam at the end is him either dying or fully losing himself to dementia. Not a happy ending. Also, I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread that this incident with the missing kids killed the town. What? Seemed obvious that Hoyt dying of old age and having no heirs to succeed him ruined the town because his company died with him. His mansion was decrepit and held in trust, for no one, because his family all died off too.
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There is no evidence in the text that Hoyt directed any of those killings. It seems clear that Harris James and the Milky eyed man conspired to do so.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4aynXyO1YY Related to TD S1 and S3 wrt powerful sex slave rings.
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Just finished S2 myself. Managed to predict how it would end, but dang, still pretty sad. Is that why people dislike it? It was still some real solid tv.
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Eschatos posted:Just finished S2 myself. Managed to predict how it would end, but dang, still pretty sad. Is that why people dislike it? It was still some real solid tv. People tend to dislike it for a lot of reasons but mainly because it was such a departure from Season 1 in tone, pacing, and theme. Some of the characters were flat/wooden (Vaughn, Kitsch) and the conspiracy portion of the season was really unimpressive compared to the first season. There were some definite highlights (Farrell and McAdams were both stellar, the firefight scenes were outstanding) but overall the whole thing just seemed rushed and forced.
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Midgetskydiver posted:People tend to dislike it for a lot of reasons but mainly because it was such a departure from Season 1 in tone, pacing, and theme. Some of the characters were flat/wooden (Vaughn, Kitsch) and the conspiracy portion of the season was really unimpressive compared to the first season. There were some definite highlights (Farrell and McAdams were both stellar, the firefight scenes were outstanding) but overall the whole thing just seemed rushed and forced. There's a couple of scenes where the writing basically makes Vaughn play out something really menacing and effective but for the most part the material doesn't do much for him. In general I think while Season 1 meandered, the chemisty of Rust and Marty really made it work.
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My main problem was they had two awesome things happen (birdman “killing” Collin farrelll) but they did nothing with either.
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Vaughn really tanked S2. I was hoping he'd pull it off, because once upon a time he wasn't a lovely, neo-con fuckhead, but apparently he left his talent with whereever he left the rest of his brains.
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The only problems I have with S2 are the finale and the terribly handled gay plot
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El_Elegante posted:There is no evidence in the text that Hoyt directed any of those killings. It seems clear that Harris James and the Milky eyed man conspired to do so. Hoyt implies enough to Hayes without saying anything explicit that Hayes knows that Hoyt knows but can’t do anything about it unless he wants to go down himself for killing Harris James and he’ll get Julie killed for his efforts and Hayes whole family will be killed on top of it. It’s why Hayes quits the force. How much more obvious does it need to be that Hoyt knew and financed it? Why else would Hoyt threaten to murder Julie and Hayes’s family? Am I being trolled? Or did all that Hoyt innuendo actually go right over your head? And if you were just being pedantic about wether or not Hoyt explicitly ordered the murders... If you are the financier and head of a criminal conspiracy you are held responsible for the actions of all members during the course of the conspiracy. Including multiple 1st degree murders even if you didn’t explicitly order those murders. Maybe you’re right, maybe he didn’t explicitly order the murders, but he did know they happened and were happening and threatened more murders if the cops didn’t drop it.
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That's what I concluded as well re: Hoyt. His "do I look like a man who knows what's going on?" is pure bullshit if meant to be literally interpreted as whether or not he's the head of "the conspiracy". Of course he is, and of course he's given carte blanche to his creepy enforcer(s) to do whatever it takes to keep things secret. In the larger sense of understanding life I think Hoyt was being honest. Despite all his money and power he couldn't keep his own life on track or protect his loved ones from the world. That's why he's guzzling cheap whisky and dressed like a sweaty hobo while riding around in a convoy of black cadillacs. In that sense he is something of a tragic figure.
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For a second there I thought Hoyt was in his hunting gear and he was about to release Hays and hunt him through the woods. Loved this season! gently caress Westworld - I’d rather have a True Detective World so I could hang out in creepy backwater shitholes, giving mumbling monologues, smoking and drinking.
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Why did old Hays remind himself that he could always shoot himself back in the first episode? Was he afraid that the chicken plant people would still come kill his kids after all that time?
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Die before the dementia gets worse?
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El_Elegante posted:Imagine reading The Big Sleep or watching Chinatown and saying the plot doesn’t mean poo poo. Thats an incredibly stupid take, first in class really. Not an expert on the genre, but from watching the movies I tend to agree with the other guy's explanation of noirs. The plots are intentionally convoluted with numerous red herrings, and it's pretty much impossible to determine the answer to the "mystery" until exposition dumps at the end. The Third Man comes to mind as an example of this. The Big Sleep had like 3 twists in the very end that couldn't possibly be predicted. In this respect the plot resolutions in TD aren't that different from noirs. I'd argue character study isn't really the point either though, for me noir is more about tone, mood, atmosphere, and witty dialogue than anything else. The characters are usually pretty stock, with the hard boiled detective and femme fatale in nearly every noir and little focus on character development. True Detective's noir influence is cool from the atmospheric point of view, but I don't like the idea of the main villain of the show who has never been on screen before (or maybe rarely? can't remember) exposing the entire conspiracy to the detective to conclude the mystery. Note this is exactly what happens in The Third Man. I think maybe they were going with Amelia being a red herring femme fatale with the way she was presented, but that also felt flat when it was pretty clear from present day scenes that their relationship was always going to work out. denzelcurrypower fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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after 2nd viewing i like 3rd season's theme of mindfulness, roland stands in for the audience, pizzolatto is telling us to be present when consuming television, we want meaningful lives, we want every moment to matter (like finding clues) watching tv could be like getting lost in the jungle or it could be like finding a pathway to enlightenment we have to make the choice edit i confused wayne with roland, i meant wayne represents the audience An Apple A Gay fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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I watched Green Book last night. Ali is a ridiculously good actor. Like holy poo poo I can’t believe that’s the same guy that played Hays.
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An Apple A Gay posted:after 2nd viewing i like 3rd season's theme of mindfulness, roland stands in for the audience, pizzolatto is telling us to be present when consuming television, we want meaningful lives, we want every moment to matter (like finding clues) there's no choice to be made if you forget to write the enlightenment bit
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