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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

this populism account sucks so loving much and I’m so loving tired of people posting it earnestly

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Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Taintrunner posted:

this populism account sucks so loving much and I’m so loving tired of people posting it earnestly

then offer another account that talks about Volodymyr Zelensky, José Luis Espert, and European Animal Rights parties

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

the libertarian debates are gonna be so lit

I don't see how they can top that fat guy stripping on stage last time, but I look forward to finding out!

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Taintrunner posted:

this populism account sucks so loving much and I’m so loving tired of people posting it earnestly

I didnt realize until now that the handle wasnt a joke

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Maximo Roboto posted:

then offer another account that talks about Volodymyr Zelensky, José Luis Espert, and European Animal Rights parties
a lot of info on these obscure third parties in the U.S. i'm pulling from the "american third party report" which mostly seems to be authored by ultra-libertarian types so :shrug:

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

I think they're mostly republishing contributions from members of said third parties, which are mostly libertarian. I see the convoluted Constitution Party drama is sourced from that blog.

for more American party mania, Politics1 is pretty comprehensive

Tommah
Mar 29, 2003

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

the libertarian debates are gonna be so lit

theres no way they can top the last time

IWW Online Branch
Apr 20, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
Everyone talks about that guy stripping, but this was always my favorite moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Nad1b_3yY

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
it's happening

https://twitter.com/HowieHawkins20/status/1133070079493582855

Homocow
Apr 24, 2007

Extremely bad poster!
DO NOT QUOTE!


Pillbug
that "hell no!" will never get old

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/JamesPindell/status/1136042969474174976

wow Libertarian Party presidential nominee Chaffee!

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Prohibition Party has its nominee

quote:

On April 14th, a meeting of the Prohibition Party’s national committee was held by conference call. The committee had to select a new presidential ticket following the resignation of its initial presidential candidate, Bill Bayes, on March 30th. The PNC selected Connie (C.L.) Gammon as its new presidential candidate, and Phil Collins as its new vice-presidential candidate.

C.L. Gammon is a writer and historian from Tennessee. He was initially the party’s vice-presidential candidate for 2020, but given the situation stepped to represent the party at the head of the ticket.

Phil Collins is a navy veteran, former township trustee in Illinois, and had come second place in this year’s non-partisan election for mayor of Las Vegas, Nevada.

C.L. Gammon is the only presidential candidate that is not controlled by alcohol, gambling, and tobacco lobbyist. Gammon is the only REAL family values candidate.

Fuzzy McDoom
Oct 9, 2007

-MORE MONEY FOR US

-FUCK...YOU KNOW, THE THING

IT'S HAPPENING

https://twitter.com/LibertyHerald/status/1216155776584224768?s=20

animist
Aug 28, 2018

VERMIN 2020

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/VerminSupreme/status/1230581125791264772

Finally, libertarianism is good

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1230697369215229953

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/cyber_cum/status/1229243737756381184

Fuzzy McDoom
Oct 9, 2007

-MORE MONEY FOR US

-FUCK...YOU KNOW, THE THING

OK, so now I think it's time to do a rundown of the Green Party race.

https://twitter.com/GreenPartyUS/status/1232038652651474944?s=20

Dario Hunter is the radical Pete Buttigieg. He's a black rabbi who won, and then lost, some extremely minor seat in Ohio. He is to my estimation in a strong 2nd place and spent much of the last year orchestrating a slew of procedural complaints to try and ratfuck the Green Party primaries of all things.

Sedinam is an extremely woke nobody I know little about other than they seem to have a lot of intersectional cred.

Kent Mesplay is such a nobody I haven't even heard of before. He has 47 twitter followers. There are a whole crop of maybe a half dozen candidates of this caliber that will pop up on ballots in different states depending on local bylaws.

Howie Hawkins is the clear frontrunner. He's Bernie Sanders with better politics but none of the charisma. He's an ex-teamster who co-founded the Green Party, actually knows how to run a campaign, and authored the original Green New Deal. He is utterly hopeless in the real election because the core of the Green Party has been torn asunder by the ratfucking and also a huge swathe of the Green volunteer base is going over to Bernie. It probably won't be the weakest Green Party campaign ever but he's not going to put up Nader or Stein numbers unless the Democrats try to suicide bomb the left by loving Bernie in Milwaukee.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/VerminSupreme/status/1236702486309863424

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

Fuzzy McDoom posted:

Howie Hawkins is the clear frontrunner.

let's make it a clean sweep

"Howie hype posted:

Hawkins, who is a co-founder of the Green Party, will be seeking nominations from multiple parties that range from progressive to socialist. In addition to the Green Party and Socialist Party USA nominations, Hawkins will be seeking the nominations of state-level independent progressive parties with ballot lines, including the Peace and Freedom Party of California, the Progressive Party of Oregon, the Citizens and Labor parties of South Carolina, and the Liberty Union and Progressive parties in Vermont. Liberty Union was the first party with whom Senator Bernie Sanders ran for office.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

We need a Gloria La Riva effortpost

thewoof
Sep 11, 2006

My eyes are the eyes
of a dead man.
I feel the unholy stream.

Fixin to go hard for the Howie Horde

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

I've been watching the Free & Equal Elections open presidential debate, which is really dry and too difficult to see in one sitting, but not bad to put in the background while working. It's in two parts because there's like 18 candidates divided between two debates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s2QbAoXms4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqqXWxo6XL8

My takeaway is that 3rd party candidates are the usual fringe activist/loony types- even Howie Hawkins comes off as unpolished and unclear. Funnily enough, Vermin Supreme has the most forceful and perhaps charismatic personality, he's obviously having fun but he's also in favor of some good common sense policies and I'm glad he does his gonzo presidential runs

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

American Solidarity Party in 2016: nominates a magician

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVbO4Y2Cza8

in 2020: nominates a leprechaun

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

god loving dammit


Coronavirus May Keep Third Party Presidential Candidates Off the Ballot Come November

quote:

Hawkins said on the Yahoo News podcast “Skullduggery” that the Green Party may be unable to get on the ballot in as many as 30 states — including Illinois, Ohio, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania — due to state laws requiring third parties to collect thousands of signatures on ballots to qualify. Hawkins said it will be impossible to meet these requirements in light of White House guidelines urging citizens to stay at home and avoid social gatherings.

Green Party lawyers are now asking state officials to grant them relief, arguing that depriving voters of the chance to cast ballots for their candidates will be a blow to American democracy.


Coronavirus restricitons create problems for independent party candidates seeking a place on the fall ballot

quote:

The signature-gathering period ends June 22.
The Illinois Green Party said that due to Illinois’ stay-at-home requirements, social distancing and restrictions on public gatherings, “normal petitioning has been rendered impossible.”
[...]
The Green Party has asked Gov. J.B. Pritzker, legislative leaders and state elected officials to “waive or suspend” the current petition signature requirements.

However, there are no provisions that would allow an administrative suspension of the signature rules. Instead, it would require a change in state law, and lawmakers in both parties have shown little interest in relaxing ballot access rules in Illinois amid the uncertainty over when the General Assembly can reconvene in Springfield.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Tempted to do an effort post thread on Vermin Supreme, who's the only fun third party candidate this election + the Libertarian Party's internal politics sound like a funny clusterfuck

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

https://twitter.com/jrowland777/status/1264394106576535553

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

Preliminary reports suggest Jo Jorgenson is the Libertarian nominee.


wiki posted:

Jo Jorgensen (born May 1, 1957) is an American academic and libertarian political activist. She was the Libertarian Party nominee for vice-president in the 1996 U.S. presidential election as the running mate of Harry Browne. She was also the Libertarian nominee for South Carolina's 4th congressional district in 1992, receiving 4,286 votes, or 2.2%. She is currently a candidate for the 2020 Libertarian nomination for President of the United States.

I would cite policy positions but I can't get her website to load.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

whatta tweet to respond to

https://twitter.com/lsk49rs/status/1269115897777553410

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Maximo Roboto posted:

I just know Sam Seder as Janeane Garofalo's cohost on the Majority Report back in 2004, when Air America existed, but apparently he's pulling a Mike Gravel and running for the Libertarian Party nominee



he also appears to be beating actual Libertarian candidates in last month's poll


https://twitter.com/majorityfm/status/1108204615122722817

That's funny as gently caress, I remember chuckling at his sparring with libertarians on the internet radio in the distant past

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Cool that Mark Charles is included in this one. lol that it includes Don "Cocaine Mitch" Blankenship

https://twitter.com/danielsilliman/status/1288542306858139648

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

platzapS posted:

Preliminary reports suggest Jo Jorgenson is the Libertarian nominee.



I would cite policy positions but I can't get her website to load.

I'm surprised libertarians would be interested in a woman that old :v:

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

platzapS posted:

Preliminary reports suggest Jo Jorgenson is the Libertarian nominee.



I would cite policy positions but I can't get her website to load.

she’s got some strong low level uk cabinet minister energy going on here

especially if her website is broken

Impkins Patootie
Apr 20, 2017





Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Bob Avakian and the Revolutionary Communist Party, U.S.A., which "has never run its own nominees for public office, nor has it ever before made a recommendation as to whom people should support", has now urged voters to do this

quote:

At this critical hour, every appropriate means of non-violent action must be utilized to remove this regime from power. And if, in spite of mass protest demanding the removal of the Trump/Pence regime, this regime remains in power when it is time for voting, then—without placing fundamental reliance on this—using all appropriate means to work for the removal of this regime must include voting against Trump (assuming the election is actually held). To be clear, this means not a “protest vote” for some candidate who has no chance of winning, but actually voting for the Democratic Party candidate, Biden, in order to effectively vote against Trump.

This is not because Biden (and the Democratic Party in general) have suddenly become something other than what they are: representatives and instruments of this exploitative, oppressive, and literally murderous system of capitalism-imperialism. The electoral process continues to be what we revcoms have called it—BEB (Bourgeois Electoral Bullshit). It remains the case that no fundamental change for the better can come about through this electoral process, and that, in general and overall, voting under this system serves to reinforce this system, especially if voting is seen as a way—and more so if it is seen as the (only) way—to bring about meaningful change.

But this election is different.

https://twitter.com/therevcoms/status/1290317695322214400

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Former Mighty Ducks child actor, crypto scammer, and friend to sex offenders Brock Pierce is also running for president

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

CounterPunch: A Marxist Joins the Libertarian Party by Nicky Reid

quote:

“Libertarians regard the state as the supreme, the eternal, the best organized aggressor against the persons and property of the mass of the public”
-Murray Rothbard

“In Reality, however, the state is nothing but a machine for the oppression of one class by another.”
-Friedrich Engels


So a Marxist walks into the DMV and joins the Libertarian Party… No, that’s not the set up to an impossibly wonky dad joke, that’s the story of my life, or at least it was last summer. It was a simpler time. A time before COVID, when the cops were only brazenly shooting Black children in the back every other week. That sunny day in July, I put on my best crack-whore-red lipstick and my biggest Jackie-O sunglasses and made my way down to the local Department of Motor Vehicles to renew my license with a special side mission motivating me to actually show up before the last possible second this time. After strutting past the usual throngs of sullen teens and sexy foreigners with the riff from “Rebel Rebel” on repeat in my skull, I approached an angry little man in a clip-on tie, took a horrific picture, swallowed a mouth full of stomach acid when the little prick misgendered me, and became the first self-declared Marxist in Pennsylvania history to join the Libertarian Party. I got a bumper sticker and everything, and I have every intention of voting for Jo Jorgensen this November.

But why? You may ask. What in the name of god’s green dick could inspire a person to do such an absurd thing? Am I just trying to piss off and confuse people at this point? As if my calamitous gender identity wasn’t enough. How could any sane Marxist join the party of Ayn Rand and the Koch Brothers? Well, maybe that’s just it. I’m not a sane Marxist by any stretch of the imagination. Not literally or figuratively. While I thoroughly believe that history is defined by cycles of class exploitation and that a lack of equality in the distribution of power over the means of production is the source of most if not all human oppression, I am very far from an orthodox Marxist, or an orthodox anything for that matter. I have no time for stagnant dogma and little patience for long-winded theory. I was turned on to Marx in the 7th grade because the first chapter of the Communist Manifesto filled me with the same kind of fire as Allen Ginsberg’s Howl. The words exploded off the page with such cataclysmic fury and righteous indignation, condemning all the stupid little terrors from my Catholic childhood that my latent genderqueerness proved to be a lie. Jesus didn’t want me for his sunbeam, but roaring fires were made of sparks like me.

But for the most part, like any true lumpenproletariat, I’ve always preferred cliff notes and history books to pseudo-scientific gobbledygook, and with the exception of a brief and painful dalliance with Third World state socialism, my Marxism has always been tempered by a devotion to anarchism, making it downright libertarian in nature. I’ve always preferred the Sorelian and Luxemburgist schools of thought, the ideas championed by Friedrich Engels after Karl’s death with his daughter Eleanor and dear Mr. William Morris of the Socialist League, that crazy notion that the state itself is the loving problem, that working people don’t need wonky professors or vanguard parties or bloated bureaucracies to free themselves from the chains of class oppression. In fact the thing that finally pushed me over the edge from libertarian Marxist to Marxist Libertarian was the sobering realization that the state itself, any state at all, regardless of intention, is simply another class hierarchy in red clothing.

I came to this conclusion after watching the painful implosion of the Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela. In spite of everything he did and everything he sacrificed, in spite of doing everything right and revolutionary and democratic and constitutional, Hugo Chavez couldn’t prevent his nation from becoming another managerial thug state, much like the one he replaced. Once Hugo died under mysteriously abrupt circumstances, it took his Dengist successor, Nicholas Maduro, and and his Yanqui antagonists less than a year to tear the whole thing down in ribbons. Everything that is, but the favela collectives that predated the Bolivarian government and inspired Chavez to embrace democracy in the first place. These councils didn’t require a state to be constructed and they didn’t require a state to survive. They are what Marxism is supposed to be about, and they help expose what I see as the philosophies greatest contradiction.

There is no such thing as a benevolent state. The Dictatorship of the Proletariat, at least as it’s commonly interpreted, as a temporary state in place to manage production while the rest of its institutions magically whither away, is an epic oxymoron. A state, any state, is by definition an institution of the ruling class. In fact, it’s an institution that requires a ruling class to exist. A ruling class that serves as a group of people not held to the same standards as the proletariat they supposedly serve. If the poor have no right to steal, then how can the state justify taxation without holding its bureaucracy to a higher authority and a lower moral standard? And once this bureaucratic class tastes the fruits of this awesome power, how can it ever be trusted to give it back? All states ultimately exist largely to justify their own greedy existence. Thus for there ever to be any hope for a classless society, destroying the state must be priority number one, by any means necessary.

Is this going to happen through an election? gently caress no. But that doesn’t mean that the electoral system can’t be used to further a greater revolution. The number one function of the electoral system for true radicals against the state must be to delegitimize the state through its propaganda. This means getting as many votes as possible for the candidate whose platform represents the greatest threat to the state, especially its deadliest and most existential organ, the prison-warfare state. The only party that consistently threatens to gut these institutions at the federal level is the Libertarian Party, and after three cycles of lame-dick ex-Republican poseurs running their presidential tickets, they’ve finally nominated a truly libertarian candidate with Jo Jorgensen. With Ron Paul and Ralph Nader retired and Rand and Tulsi sold out, Jo is the loudest voice left against empire. Howie Hawkins and the Green Party talk a good game on the antiwar front but what they advocate isn’t weakening the state itself but rather shifting its weight elsewhere. I guarantee that if by some miracle a Hawkins White House became a reality, the predators that run the war machine would simply change shape and devote themselves to hacking down Joshua trees and imprisoning the wrong kind of polluters for the Green New Deal. There’s no room for half measures when it comes to reigning in the state or using electoral propaganda to shift the zeitgeist against it.

If the radical left in this country truly wants to retain its lethality at any level, it needs to radically rethink its methods. The priorities are all there; peace, equality, mutual aid. But relying on increased state power to achieve these goals is a fool’s errand. Venezuela tried that. Now the Bolivarian Revolution sicks its troops on the barrio. Egalitarianism can only sustain itself from the ground up. We the proletariat need to build the voluntary communal institutions that can make this utopian dream a reality, through autonomous grass roots communes, syndicates, councils, guilds, and credit unions. The only thing the state can do for us is gently caress off and die. A vote for Jo Jorgensen is a vote for that happy dagger. A vote for Howie Hawkins is just a vote for Bernie Sanders lite. More social democratic FDR progressivism. Another silly costume for the state to wear for Trick or Treat. Only a vote for Jo is a vote for Marx, and if Charles Koch wants to foot the bill for his own suicide then I’ll gladly be Jack Kevorkian for Halloween, or at least Dr. Frank-N-Furter.

Nicky Reid is an agoraphobic anarcho-genderqueer gonzo blogger from Central Pennsylvania and assistant editor for Attack the System. You can find her online at Exile in Happy Valley.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

woof

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

So instead of becoming an anarchist she joins the Libertarian Party?

Read your theory, kids.

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Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

the most embarassing thing about the green party is how few followers their candidates have on Twitter

getfiscal has more followers than the average of howie and walker

just lame

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