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70 | 41.92% |
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21 | 12.57% |
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12 | 7.19% |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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Dec 5, 2018 19:10
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ChrisBTY posted:Man, the on-screen stuff is funny stupid garbage. (Comparatively) A lot of the on screen stuff isn't funny. I get no laughs from women, gay people and black people being humiliated because Vince's sense of humor is hosed. I've not listened yet but hopefully Vince essentially humiliating Chris Kanyon into suicide makes it. I know some people laugh as a coping mechanism in some weird ironic thing, but I've found that I sorta hate that poo poo. It's one of the reasons why I stopped watching WWE; if I have to treat your product like I'm on an episode of MST3K to get through it, that's not good. Wrestling is already ridiculous, if I have to add a layer of irony to enjoy it, that means they hosed up. Hako posted:WWE has to be terrible to be good, when WWE is good it is terrible. Change my mind. This is loving stupid. I didn't start watching wrestling because I needed a dose of camp, I wanted athleticism, spectacle, and fun characters.
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Dec 6, 2018 14:56
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Karmine posted:I’m by no means here to defend WWE, but it’s ok if people like frivolous things for the reasons you hate them. This seems like a weird thing to get upset about. I understand that but the problem is that when WWE is bad, it's often unwatchable because of the hosed up stuff they do to try and get heat. I'm not talking about pushing people I dont care for. That's fine, it's their company and no wrestling company is gonna push my guys 100% of the time. But when they try and be controversial, it's almost always crap. I should have specified this. My bad. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Dec 6, 2018 20:29
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Hako posted:You are in the minority, maybe not on these forums but in terms of the public. Their ratings are sinking, and the indies continue to do good business, so no, I'm not. Not only that, but a lot of the WWE fans who stick around are sticking around because of individuals they enjoy watching despite the bad storytelling, or because they don't want to seek out other wrestling and WWE is the most accessible still. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Dec 6, 2018 21:54
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Hako posted:Because the general population even knows the "indies" exist. You pure wraassstlin folk are a minority. There are multiple indies able to draw large crowds while WWE is tarping off chunks of seats at TV tapings. All In was an independently funded event that drew 10,000 people. The main event was a 6 man tag with high flyers. Ring of Honor have been able to get shows at MSG. Northeast Wrestling regularly draws large crowds with main events featuring people like Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks. The pure wrasslin' folk are the only ones left watching WWE, because of fandom of indvidual wrestlers and an overall love of wrestling, like I mentioned. The hardcores are the people keeping WWE from losing money on the Network. The people looking for zaniness hosed off to MMA some time ago. Hako posted:I get everyone wants to be on the right side of history, but guess what Wrestling is loving boring now and the ratings reflect that, you can have a moonsault royal rumble and its still not going to bring ratings. The most lucrative time in wrestling history (late 90's) had lots of good wrestling. Both WCW and WWE knew you had to offer not just memorable characters and stories but great wrestlers. That's why people like Ric Flair, Steve Austin and Eddie Guerrero became popular, they were interesting in the ring AND out. It's why Kenny Omega is the most popular gaijin in Japan of the decade, it's a universal thing. This isn't about being on the right side of history for me. There are so many ways I can choose to spend my free time, and I don't want to have my intelligence insulted by putting on storylines that would only appeal to the type of 12 year old who ends up torturing animals. If I'm watching wrestling I want it to be good. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Dec 6, 2018 22:42
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coconono posted:this last page is proof WWE gives people brainworms and they're loving impossible to get rid of. If more proof was required, just look at the type of harassment Meltzer puts up with for being correct on Twitter.
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Dec 6, 2018 23:04
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TV Zombie posted:Are...we really able to name another 64 horrendous things that WWE has done in their history? I feel like 256 is entirely possible
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Dec 8, 2018 00:26
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Benne posted:Yeah I'm going with the terrorism angle, which is also notable for essentially killing Hassan's career (not that he was a great or even good wrestler, but once the angle aired and he got pulled from TV, that was it for him) Part of that was that he had MASSIVE heat, he didn't understand wrestling politics.
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Dec 9, 2018 04:00
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Seams posted:i think that fact gets forgotten in the story, that marc copani isn't even of arabic heritage Yeah, I think Daivari said Marc is Italian
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Dec 9, 2018 15:02
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Fauxhawk Express posted:And because IIRC he was supposed to feud w/them, around that same time was also when Benoit started being billed as from Atlanta and Jericho from NY. There were also reports that Vince had a belief that foreigners wouldn't get cheered as much as as Americans, post 9/11.
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Dec 9, 2018 18:24
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MassRafTer posted:Other companies have done super racist stables though I mean CMLL had Los Talibanes. The Yellow Wave, too
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Dec 10, 2018 04:15
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MassRafTer posted:And Eddy was absolutely not cool with doing similar things in the past. Wasn't he super uncomfortable with the Domenik angle?
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Dec 13, 2018 05:44
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Baron La Croix posted:The Melanie Pillman interview is hands down the worst thing in the entire tournament, for me. In terms of stuff on TV, sure but I'm not sure it tops covering up a murder, that might be the finals
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Dec 13, 2018 14:24
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coconono posted:I feel like 90s WWF did Domestic Violence Enthusiast angle more than once. Either way, still terrible but the 90s were all about being as terrible human beings as possible. It was implied with Marc Mero but never stated outright.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:26
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TheKingslayer posted:Hold up, wasn't it actually Beaver Cleavage? Or am I making that poo poo up? He started out with a faux incest gimmick called Beaver Cleavage where they made a lot of jokes about his "mom" 's body. Then they had him bail on the gimmick on air and he became Chaz a guy from Jersey and it was revealed his "mom" was his girlfriend. I don't remember who played her role, but I think they started a angle where he kept losing and it was basically stated he was blaming her and taking it out on her physically. Then she got caught admitting the truth on GTV, I think. I'm missing stuff, I'm sure.
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Dec 14, 2018 01:09
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Needs to be the HHH NIT to honor the future head of the company and how things will not change at all with him in charge Maybe he'll bring back piledrivers! (and no, that won't wash all the awful poo poo away, although I popped huge for Punk dropping Cena on his head). El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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Dec 14, 2018 01:59
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Benne posted:I thought I knew all the Owen details but Same
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Dec 16, 2018 03:47
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Alaois posted:forget what i said earlier hako isn't being paid to post on this forum by WWE, hako actually is vince mcmahon There's no way Vince is computer literate. NienNunb posted:Hako I'm gonna stick you in a big cannon and shoot you directly into the sun Let's not inconvenience the sun. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Dec 16, 2018 |
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Dec 16, 2018 18:32
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Hako posted:This is wrong on a lot of levels and you know it. Except that WWE was involved in a lawsuit arguing that very thing. Raven and a few other ex employees sued them over that status. And big loving surpise, WWE dragged it out as long as they could, which influenced the verdict since one of the plaintiffs died.
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Dec 16, 2018 18:46
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Hako posted:So whats to stop other plaintiffs from coming forward, obviously they weren't bothered by it enough to come forward. The exact same poo poo (minus the death) would happen? What, you think Vince is getting softer with time?
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Dec 16, 2018 19:02
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Almost like being an independent contractor prevents the talent from using normal labor complaint processes and also means they have to us civil courts to resolve complaints which almost 99% of the time favors the party with the most money BALDERDASH! Hako posted:If you have a complaint in America you take it through the due legal process. You say someone died so nothing happened. Well it wasn't just 2 people that had issues apparently so where are they? Why is there no current litigation going on? Because they lost. Unless there is a concrete reason to think a new variation of the complaint would hit paydirt it'd be a waste of money and time.
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Dec 16, 2018 19:13
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Hako posted:Okay so what we arguing about then? The fact that they lost isn't really the whole story. WWE only treats them like independent contractors when it suits them; when doing do inconveniences them, or costs them money, they become very stringent about their policies and all of the sudden, they're employees. Ask Adrian Neville.
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Dec 16, 2018 19:20
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Hako posted:Okay so its been argued against me many times the Indys are super popular so why don't they all go to the indys? We are babysitting grown adults who chose to kiss bosses asses on tv, they made a choice which they apparently didn't mind. Go be an accountant or something then if you don't like it? I don't see what all the fuss is about. Because WWE freezes their contract and doesn't allow them to leave. They did this with both Daniel Bryan and Neville.
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Dec 16, 2018 19:24
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Liquid Communism posted:Don't forget that they're still all contractors, despite working to WWE's time/place stipulations, so refusal would mean both not getting paid -and- being stuck in their contract's no-compete so long as WWE cares to hold it over them a'la Neville. But all they had to do was not sign in the first place! Or so I'm told, anyways.
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Dec 17, 2018 01:52
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Weren't a couple of Randy's busts for weed? Not to support WWE moving the goalposts, but I'd rather athletes smoke weed to dull pain than abuse opiates
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Dec 17, 2018 22:27
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MassRafTer posted:It's the completely loving disgusting and disgraceful homophobic Goldust gimmick vs the loving disgraceful necrophilia angle. "You mean you're not a fag?". Imagine if that one got dropped on today's RAW. Benne posted:People seem to handwave it because they like Dustin the person, but Goldust was always an awful loving gimmick It's also because Dustin did everything he could to make it work.
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Dec 18, 2018 03:08
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Gumball Gumption posted:He was poor and became rich through hard work and was nice to black people. All of these things are unacceptable to Vince. He insisted that any territory that wanted him not book any other black wrestlers. And while its not the same as being lovely to black wrestlers, there's also the "Kike Cabana" incident.
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Dec 18, 2018 05:32
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Charles Gnarwin posted:I'm shocked at how many votes Katie Vick is getting. It was gross but it wasn't actually portraying necrophilia. It was just a heel being over-the-top evil to mock the baby face. Wait does that mean it was Al Snow?
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Dec 18, 2018 18:30
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coconono posted:The real takeaway is that we need more people voting with their wallets. The stuff listed in this tournament is horrific and a lot of it has gone unanswered. It falls under things that WWE would hope you'd forget about please watch Finn Balor take off his shirt real slowly. Over the last 20 or so years, WWE has managed to skate any real accountability by mostly popping ratings and hoping people will forget about their last PR blunder. Something will have to give the more and more people stumble onto this stuff. Agreed. If this tourney gets one person to unsubscribe to the Network, that's a good thing.
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Dec 18, 2018 23:35
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A Real Horse posted:If it helps, I was going to resubscribe for the Rumble but after this started there is absolutely no way I’m doing that. So it’s at least prevented one resub. My man. 
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Dec 19, 2018 00:15
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ChrisBTY posted:I'm sorry what? Dusty was essentially doing a "soul" gimmick, with talking jive, dancing, etc. which was common then. Basically, he got a little too into the role.
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Dec 19, 2018 04:28
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One thing to mention about JR: they also had HHH beat him up (I think they did it twice) and bust him open hardway. I remember Bix talking about it on PWO if you need background or something, I don't remember much about the whys and wherefores (for all I know it might have been a "Vince thinks it'd be funny".) El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Dec 19, 2018 04:39
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mkay0 posted:Imagine defending JR. He comes off as a lousy person, but: 1) WWE is hardly in a position to pass judgment on him, morally. 2) Having a guy as big as HHH shoot work him over for an angle is repugnant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNbFGvKlLgM You can hear the shots. Jim's 53 in this clip, which means he's already had 2 of his Bell's palsy attacks. He was never an athlete, never a fighter of any kind. And a 280 lb man beats the poo poo out of him. They could have easily done something else here for heat. Oh, and this is in Oklahoma, by the way. Because WWE gets off on humiliating people in their hometowns for heat. It'll be beyond hosed up when this company pretends to care after JR passes. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Dec 19, 2018 06:48
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sticklefifer posted:On one hand, I want to see what a worst person tournament would dredge up in its brackets, but on the other hand, it's so obviously Vince that the whole thing seems unnecessary. Warrior might have a punchers chance.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:26
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Jerusalem posted:Was it true that one of the reasons that Bret Hart mended bridges with WWE is because they were planning a hitpiece documentary on him in the same vein as The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior? That was the rumour. Also, regarding HLA: "DID I MENTION THAT THEY WERE BISEXUAL LESBIANS?" That's not how that works.
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Dec 21, 2018 05:35
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ThePariah posted:Did 3MW stiff the women intentionally, or were they just unsafe workers? They had a habit of stiffing people
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Dec 21, 2018 17:25
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The Steph angle did lead to one of the most uncomfortable matches in WWE history.
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Dec 22, 2018 06:42
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The Cameo posted:Was this the match that happened like the Sunday before Steph and Hunter got hitched, leading Linda to tell Vince to not leave a single bruise on her? Unless I'm mixing angles/matches up, it was long after they got married and came about because Vince felt she'd done a poor job of running RAW. Match ended with Vince choking her out with a lead pipe after taking 80% of the match
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Dec 22, 2018 17:46
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STONE COLD 64 posted:this is more of another wwe-ism than something true of the industry. the show that misawa was killed in was completely stopped after his death, as was the jwp show where plum mariko had fractured her skull and died from bleeding on the brain. the wxw show in pennsylvania where gary albright died was also stopped prematurely. Did the lucha shows where Perro Aguayo Jr or Oro stop?
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Dec 23, 2018 03:40
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sticklefifer posted:I don't remember the source for this, but wasn't part of the cover story that they convinced police that Snuka was an *actual* savage who didn't know what he was doing? That was from the DVDVR sleaze thread. Wouldn't put too much stock in it.
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Dec 25, 2018 19:08
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