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Remember Standing Rock? Things didn't end there. We are in a new era of activism for Native American/Indian/First Nations (plus Metis and Inuit in Canada) rights. Yesterday I read the following article and thought we needed a thread to discuss this growing movement for asserting treaty rights to decolonisation. In Canada we are in a process of Truth and Reconciliation, and it is making me think of how, in order to be effective, it cannot be yet another one-way process of integration. Of course, this did not stop the inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women from turning into a complete gong show. The university I work for has as part of this process a new pathway for "indigenization" and I recently went to the one year celebration of this new policy to see what it means. Sure enough, there is a lot of new support networks to help young native students negotiate the medieval European structures of the modern University, but there seems to be a kernel of establishing new governance policies on the university side that incorporates indigenous consultation and decision making processes. As a European-American-Canadian, I talk to damned much (see, this post) and need to listen more. What might a decolonized world look like? A lot of this new activism stems from the "Idle No More" movement in Canada: http://www.idlenomore.ca/ Other recent stories that have me thinking a lot about this topic of late include: Tribe that welcomed Pilgrims lose land before Thanksgiving this year, the eve of the 400th anniversary of the arrival of the Mayflower Southwest nations have joined environmental and other groups to sue the Trump Administration Anyway, I hope to learn more ITT and build a clearing house for things that are ongoing. First thing for me to learn was whose land do I live on? I have also gotten a copy of some books, including An Inconvenient Indian, in order to learn more. I also work on the traditional and spiritual home for one First Nation, and I am in the early steps of being able to share what I am doing in order to get the kids interested, perhaps even in helping, thus getting them interested in going outside more, a thing the elders hold as important for them to come to on their own. I'm also pretty interested in learning how they view the land I work in.
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forgot to post this OpEd from last week on how an ongoing case to be heard at the Supreme Court might change governance in Oklahoma: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/28/half-land-oklahoma-could-be-returned-native-americans-it-should-be/
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Dec 18, 2018 16:57
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Thunder Bay in Ontario, Canada disbanded its board because their police were intensely racist towards Natives https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.1003ee842e76 https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/12/15/thunder-bay-police-board-disbanded-over-racism-emergency_a_23618955/
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Dec 18, 2018 17:15
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SKULL.GIF posted:Thunder Bay in Ontario, Canada disbanded its board because their police were intensely racist towards Natives I googled "Winnipeg starlight tours" and the first hit I got was Saskatoon. Jesus Christ did every western police department do this? https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/new-light-on-saskatoons-starlight-tours/ https://aptnnews.ca/2010/10/22/winnipeg-police-operating-starlight-tours-study/
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Dec 19, 2018 04:54
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hey OP, what's your opinion of Lauren Chief Elk? i've seen posts from other Native activists saying that she's a huge piece of poo poo. shocking, i know
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Dec 19, 2018 05:00
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Never heard of her so have no opinion. Seems to be a controversial figure, loads of folks questioning her authenticity, possibly an Instagram grifter?
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Dec 19, 2018 05:26
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Full virtual native American state now
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Dec 19, 2018 15:02
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isn't there another big pipeline protest starting up in canada e: yeah this one https://twitter.com/UnistotenCamp/status/1075118842270150656?s=19 the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 15:56 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Dec 19, 2018 15:52
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I kind of want to address this in my youtube series at some point -- realistically, what would decolonization look like? How would it look in urban areas especially? Would it just be financial reparations or something else?
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Dec 19, 2018 15:55
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the bitcoin of weed posted:isn't there another big pipeline protest starting up in canada donoteat posted:I kind of want to address this in my youtube series at some point -- realistically, what would decolonization look like? How would it look in urban areas especially? Would it just be financial reparations or something else? First thing would be meaningful intergovernmental interactions and doing away with things like the Bureau/Ministry of Indian Affairs. Now imagine a west with no fences. Now add the Bundys. Wait, they are a terrible example since they just let their cattle wander already. But still, I expect it will be a drastic change in conceptualization in ownership. I'd love to see any papers written on the subject.
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Dec 19, 2018 16:56
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yeah if anyone's wondering why anti-immigrant rhetoric doesn't work that well in canada, it's because we put all our racism points into Hating Natives gently caress that dumb useless pipeline that nobody wants
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Dec 19, 2018 17:02
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is there really any difference between ethnonationalists and those who want indigenous sovereignty? it still seems like that would revolve around a particular ethnic group/nationality/tribe controlling land and who can access and live on that land. shouldn’t socialists be inherently against that?
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Dec 19, 2018 17:10
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Pantsuit posted:it still seems like that would revolve around a particular ethnic group/nationality/tribe controlling land and who can access and live on that land. shouldn’t socialists be inherently against that? when they claim 99% of the country via genocide and leave everyone else with small patches that they proceed to build giant pipelines through then socialists would probably be against that Yinlock has issued a correction as of 17:16 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Dec 19, 2018 17:13
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Yinlock posted:when they claim 99% of the country via genocide and leave everyone else with small patches that they proceed to build giant pipelines through then socialists would probably be against that right but land doesn’t belong to any one ethnic group?
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Dec 19, 2018 17:49
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Yeah I mean that ship has sailed a bit tbh. I don't see how you're going to just start handing parcels of land to specific ethnic groups or what they'd even do with it. Land should be collectively owned. I think many tribes would agree that the land doesn't *belong* to anyone but maybe I'm wrong. I'd say reparations are definitely in order though, just as a start. Immediately end stuff like coal companies sucking up all the water in a given area so people have to drive 40-50 miles to the nearest water source. In general I'd like to see much more centralized intelligently planned cities and most of the land we currently are sprawled out in should just return to nature. Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 17:58 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Dec 19, 2018 17:54
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Moridin920 posted:I'd say reparations are definitely in order though, just as a start. Immediately end stuff like coal companies sucking up all the water in a given area so people have to drive 40-50 miles to the nearest water source. Most definitely. I’d like to see the treaties that the US broke several times actually honoured as well, and if that’s infeasible, some other kind of reparation such as financial or infrastructure spending.
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Dec 19, 2018 18:19
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Pantsuit posted:Most definitely. I’d like to see the treaties that the US broke several times actually honoured as well, and if that’s infeasible, some other kind of reparation such as financial or infrastructure spending. Yeah the number of shattered treaties is insane.
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Dec 19, 2018 18:32
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Moridin920 posted:Yeah I mean that ship has sailed a bit tbh. I don't see how you're going to just start handing parcels of land to specific ethnic groups or what they'd even do with it. Land should be collectively owned. I think many tribes would agree that the land doesn't *belong* to anyone but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, that is how I understand it, that the land is meant to be shared. To hear the local Blackfoot elders speak of the arrival of the Stoney and Tsuu T'ina (a very long time ago as I understand it) they speak of sharing their territory with their cousins. quote:I'd say reparations are definitely in order though, just as a start. Immediately end stuff like coal companies sucking up all the water in a given area so people have to drive 40-50 miles to the nearest water source. Agreedo. Moridin920 posted:Yeah the number of shattered treaties is insane. The way the English used a twist of the interpretation of wordage in Treaty 7 alone, ugh. I can see how the First Nations were fine to live on the reserves as long as they were able to still able to hunt on their territorial lands (i.e. all of southern Alberta) whereas the English/Canadians strictly interpreted "traditional lands" AS the reserves. Thus, up spring the fences, and previously healthy communities reduced to poverty. Its sickening to read about, and calls for reparations that will *hurt* (same for descendants of slaves). And THAT will not fly with chudlandia, even though it would be a just end IMO.
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Dec 19, 2018 19:32
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Pantsuit posted:is there really any difference between ethnonationalists and those who want indigenous sovereignty? Just to pick this one point. They are sovereign already; you can't make treaties otherwise. It's more a matter of respecting that sovereignty. Regarding the land, this is one way it recently was decided. Apologies for the extreme pro capital take of the National Post in the first link. The second is a review of the history of land claims in Canada. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/supreme-court-b-c-land-claim-ruling-has-staggering-implications-for-canadian-energy-projects https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/comprehensive-land-claims-modern-treaties
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Dec 19, 2018 19:47
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/class-action-lawsuit-against-rcmp-northern-indigenous-1.4952793 "A teen in Tuktoyaktuk has launched a $600-million, class-action lawsuit against RCMP in Nunavut, N.W.T. and Yukon after he says he was assaulted and subjected to racial slurs after he was arrested at the age of 15. Joe David Nasogaluak is the lead plaintiff in the suit, which seeks $500 million in damages and $100 million in punitive damages from the RCMP on behalf of Indigenous people who have been subjected to excessive force by RCMP in the three territories."
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Dec 20, 2018 02:40
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Goddamn https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/class-action-lawsuit-alberta-forced-coerced-sterilization-1.4953430?cmp=rss A proposed class action lawsuit has been filed against the Government of Alberta on behalf of Indigenous women who say they were subjected to forced sterilization. The lawsuit seeks $500 million in damages, plus an additional $50 million in punitive damages. It has been brought on behalf of all Indigenous women sterilized in Alberta without their prior and informed consent before Dec. 14 of this year. The statement of claim, filed on Tuesday, alleges the province — including senior officials and ministers — had specific knowledge of widespread coerced sterilizations perpetrated on Indigenous women.  but 
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Pantsuit posted:right but land doesn’t belong to any one ethnic group? They are the caretakers of the land, not the owners, and it's like the whole place is their temple. Decolonization would, at the very least involve acknowledgement of this fact, repentance of our profaning it, and society wide repair of this terrible thing we did, which includes a radically new kind of environmental relationship as well as material support. I'm all for it, but I'm probably an outlier. Strep Vote has issued a correction as of 05:33 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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Dec 20, 2018 05:31
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Goddamn, Canada
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Dec 20, 2018 06:10
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SKULL.GIF posted:Thunder Bay in Ontario, Canada disbanded its board because their police were intensely racist towards Natives And the book covering the deaths of seven First Nations high schoolers in Thunder Bay, Seven Fallen Feathers The TRC report is long and I doubt most people would read the whole thing, but the Survivors Speaks is probably one of the most important parts of the whole thing if you want to understand what the Residential School system was.
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Dec 20, 2018 14:54
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get that OUT of my face posted:hey OP, what's your opinion of Lauren Chief Elk? i've seen posts from other Native activists saying that she's a huge piece of poo poo. shocking, i know haven't seen that name in a while, yikes she's an unscrupulous grifting shithead, so yeah
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Dec 20, 2018 15:41
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The remains of Indigenous Australians — taken from their resting places after European colonization — could now be returned, with help from ancient-DNA sequencing techniques. In a 19 December paper1 in Science Advances, researchers showed that they could accurately match DNA from ancient Aboriginal Australian remains to modern inhabitants from the same geographical area. The research could enable the repatriation of the hundreds, if not thousands, of Indigenous Australian remains in museums that lack documentation indicating their origins. “This paper is really an incredible step forward in the story of repatriation. It’s really, really exciting work and a major advance,” says Emma Kowal, a cultural and medical anthropologist at Deakin University in Melbourne, Australia. “This sets out a lot of work for museums, but also gives Aboriginal communities hope that they are going to be able to identify more of their ancestors and get them home.” https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07854-4
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Dec 20, 2018 20:08
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Bilirubin posted:I googled "Winnipeg starlight tours" and the first hit I got was Saskatoon. Jesus Christ did every western police department do this? More or less. They do it in Australia too. There is a wikipedia article on the Saskatoon case, but it is very conservative. It's been going on since the 50s at least. One guy survived a decade and change ago, and they found a bunch of dead bodies around where he was dumped, but the cops got a few months for unlawful containment. It was found efforts at covering it up went all the way to the chief, they had him thrown out and replaced with some federal guy who would hypothetically be less into that. Whole department got together to have him tossed out and replaced with one of thier own again as soon as the chance came, and we're back to square one. I know one of the ladies who studied, and ended up doing a movie, on that case, Tasha Hubbard, and when she was filming for her movie (which, personally, I kinda dislike. It tried too hard to make it dramatic, which I think is disrespectful) she did an interview with the chief with two film crew, both white. As soon as she left after the interview to go to the washroom, he turned to the film crew, and started going on about how we were vermin who bred like rabbits. Tiberius Thyben has issued a correction as of 22:31 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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Dec 20, 2018 22:10
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Personally, I think the whole TRC commission is a complete joke, especially on the part of the government, and meant for nothing but good PR. The equivalent of apologizing for hitting someone while you do it. Quite frankly, it will continue to be a joke as long as Canada operates under the rule of liberal capitalism. The commission refuses to really examine the underlying causes of the fuckery carried out by the government, instead saying it was past prejudice and the church, things that can be safely placed in the past. The summary has 10 pages dedicated to the role of companies, and it is mostly bullshit about "helping us develop our land," which is exactly what they have beet trying to do all along, and is kinda the problem. Makes sense, of course, because it needs to be government and capitalism friendly, of course, but.
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Dec 20, 2018 22:27
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Yeah, the cause of indigenous sovereignty is going to have a hard time getting any headway as long as capitalism, empire, and racism rule supreme. I'm not optimistic, but I'm hopeful (as well as mad and nude).
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Dec 21, 2018 10:50
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Strep Vote posted:Yeah, the cause of indigenous sovereignty is going to have a hard time getting any headway as long as capitalism, empire, and racism rule supreme. I'm not optimistic, but I'm hopeful (as well as mad and nude). Yeah well, speaking as an old leftie, if you wait for ideal conditions you will never get things done. You need to constantly press to move the center, and having a radical element pushing the extreme helps the center get where you want it faster. I've just started reading An Inconvenient Indian and he starts off with the body count of relevant massacres. Native peoples are definitely losing this battle, especially when one with a body count of over 200 NEVER HAPPENED. He's now ripping into the Pocahontas myth. Book is good.
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Bilirubin posted:Yeah well, speaking as an old leftie, if you wait for ideal conditions you will never get things done. You need to constantly press to move the center, and having a radical element pushing the extreme helps the center get where you want it faster. Oh yeah. Fight as hard as you can, for short and long term goals. My point is, the idea that Canada is in a “process of reconciation” is nonsense. The government and any commission it sponsors will never be an on our side as long as it is what it is. Tiberius Thyben has issued a correction as of 04:46 on Dec 25, 2018 |
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The issue with native Americans and typical forms of political representation is that they're a tiny minority of the population, to the point where both liberal and conservative politicians just outright ignore their issues. I think the best hope for repairing some of the damage done to tribes/native people is through socialism/communism or even social democratic politicians like Sanders. Wrt land, I think in the short term we need to give tribes/nation's land and financial reparations and a form of UBI that is large enough to live comfortably on while they rebuild their communities and deal with the issues that are a result of hundreds of years of oppression. In the long term private property needs to be abolished including the idea of owning land so it won't be an issue regardless. There are some NA activists who think all non-native people should be deported and the entire country should be own/ran by Native Americans, but they're a tiny minority of kooks that seem to draw from a mixture of academic liberalism and maoist third worldism, I say they're kooks because the feasibility of moving hundreds of millions of people out of America in general is insane.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/19/us-must-provide-interpreters-indigenous-migrants-it-could-save-lives/
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https://twitter.com/JorgeBarrera/status/1081588625228382208
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Jan 7, 2019 15:48
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Tentative deal reached to allow access to workers
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Someone should destroy that pipeline.
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My job skirts around native American issues and I have been trying to become increasingly aware of them and I want to take a more active role in them. I was not born in America but I am now an American citizen. I am very interested in American history, and though I was born in Europe, I think that only knowing the European layer of this history is ignorant and foolish. To know the true history of this land I must know the history of the people who lived here for centuries. At some point a few years ago I realized that the USA is built upon a graveyard, and I came to grips with the scope of the genocide, and since then I haven't been able look at anything the same way. More recently I had the realization that the indigenous people are not actually as extinct as I had been taught. Since then I have been trying to do what I can to learn about this culture. I have been studying native history and religion and culture. I am currently trying to learn the Lenape language. To be frank, this is something I think about daily. It is something that has become a large part of my life. I don't have many connections to this culture, or native Americans. I don't know any natives personally. But it is something I want to be more involved with.
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I am afraid that I can't talk too much about what I do without doxxing myself but if anyone here can help put me in touch with any Lenape groups, please PM me
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twoday posted:I was not born in America but I am now an American citizen. I am very interested in American history, and though I was born in Europe, I think that only knowing the European layer of this history is ignorant and foolish. To know the true history of this land I must know the history of the people who lived here for centuries. I've started coming more and more to this realization myself recently. I want to become an educator, and the Indigenous youth demographic being one of the only ones on the rise made be feel that this was a field of study to minor in, especially since jobs are pretty much guaranteed up north if you have the fortitude for it. So far I'm midway through just a basic intro course, and Jesus Christ so much of this needs to be more common knowledge. Absolutely everything we have today was built on the exploitation and genocide of the original inhabitants, and every single time they would try to make things better for themselves the feds would find a new way to gently caress them over. I feel like I'm getting way too invested in it despite not being Indigenous myself, but it's hard not to, knowing what I do now. Good on you for learning a new language. I want to learn Cree, but the classes always fill up so fast.
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