Native/First Nations thread: Supreme Court rules half of Oklahoma is Native land

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twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

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Good on you for learning a new language. I want to learn Cree, but the classes always fill up so fast.

That's good that they do.

twoday has issued a correction as of 14:09 on Jan 13, 2019

# ? Jan 13, 2019 13:41

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Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

I always thought it was interesting that actually many natives had zero issues integrating and many owned farms/businesses that were quite successful but pretty much it always turned out like 'lol the sheriff and mayor are white and want your poo poo so they're taking it and killing you.'

It's not quite the 'ah well they just couldn't cope with the rapid changes the white people brought' line that gets fed to kids in the USA when they ask what happened. But at some point in time you'd roll down the Hudson and half the homesteads would be native owned, basically indistinguishable from the white owned homesteads.

Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 18:24 on Jan 13, 2019

# ? Jan 13, 2019 18:18

paul_soccer10: Mar 28, 2016; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Why the RCMP may not be a neutral player in the Wet'suwet'en anti-pipeline dispute
https://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/day-6/segment/15662836
:thunk:

# ? Jan 14, 2019 13:41

Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

The function of the police is to protect the interests of capital.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 19:46

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

just signed up for this. We'll see how it goes!
https://www.kairosblanketexercise.org/

# ? Jan 15, 2019 21:32

Kuato: Feb 25, 2005; "I CAN'T BELIEVE I ATE THE WHOLE THING"; Buglord

�Rebuilding Native Nations� by Miriam Jorgensen is an awesome book on native legislative and political history. It reviews key legislative events such as the Indian Regulatory Act (IRA), and the legacy of it on contemporary tribal governments.

And this fact sheet from the National Congress of American Indians (NCAI) has a lot of great info too, particularly on demographics and economic impacts.

http://www.ncai.org/tribalnations/introduction/Tribal_Nations_and_the_United_States_An_Introduction-web-.pdf

I�m not too familiar with Canadian indigenous issues so definitely want to find similar resources on those.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 21:47

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/10/us/native-lives-matter/index.html

Natives killed by cops more frequently than any other group

# ? Jan 20, 2019 01:32

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Might as well capture the shithead Covington Catholic School students in Washington DC in this thread too https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/20/outcry-after-kentucky-students-in-maga-hats-mock-native-american-veteran

# ? Jan 20, 2019 06:39

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Cross border efforts to bring back the buffalo
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/12/how-native-american-tribes-are-bringing-back-the-bison-from-brink-of-extinction

# ? Jan 20, 2019 06:47

Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 232 days!

Good thread, but nothing on how Truth and Reconcilliation sort of overlooks how CFS basically just keeps doing the same thing with updated rhetoric.

To be fair, they do it to other poor people too!

# ? Jan 20, 2019 07:21

Strep Vote: May 5, 2004; أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة

Coxswain Balls posted:

I've started coming more and more to this realization myself recently. I want to become an educator, and the Indigenous youth demographic being one of the only ones on the rise made be feel that this was a field of study to minor in, especially since jobs are pretty much guaranteed up north if you have the fortitude for it.

So far I'm midway through just a basic intro course, and Jesus Christ so much of this needs to be more common knowledge. Absolutely everything we have today was built on the exploitation and genocide of the original inhabitants, and every single time they would try to make things better for themselves the feds would find a new way to gently caress them over. I feel like I'm getting way too invested in it despite not being Indigenous myself, but it's hard not to, knowing what I do now.

Good on you for learning a new language. I want to learn Cree, but the classes always fill up so fast.

It's good to be invested. It's good to care. I feel the same way, now that I know.

# ? Jan 21, 2019 07:17

Leroy Diplowski: Aug 25, 2005; The Candyman Can

Visit My Candy Shop

And SA Mart Thread

If y'all are interested in first Nations stuff I highly recommend the film: edge of the knife. It was filmed on Haida gwaii with a Haida director, actors, and in the Haida language.

For me it was a powerful reminder that first Nations art and culture is not something that existed in the past and then was frozen in time upon the Colombian exchange, but something that is constantly evolving and making new contributions to human culture as each generation examines their identity with a different lens.

# ? Jan 21, 2019 07:35

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Any idea where I could find it? I don't even see it for sale anywhere. Looks cool tho

# ? Jan 21, 2019 22:53

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Blood reach $150 million settlement over federal government mismanagement of cattle herd
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/blood-tribe-settlement-1.4983140

# ? Jan 22, 2019 01:55

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

New library expansion to help preserve indigenous languages https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can..._medium=twitter

# ? Jan 24, 2019 19:21

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Oh cool. Also apparently 2019 has been declared the year of indigenous language by the UN, so even more reason to learn, I guess. Or hopefully at least there will be more stuff centered around indigenous languages happening.

# ? Jan 24, 2019 21:56

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Bilirubin posted:

just signed up for this. We'll see how it goes!
https://www.kairosblanketexercise.org/

This was a very moving activity. I didn't learn much history but seeing it presented as it was brought the message home. Then the guide told her story about the intergenerational impact of residential schools. Goddamn.

# ? Jan 29, 2019 05:29

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

European colonialism of the Americas caused the Younger Dryas cooling event

# ? Feb 5, 2019 00:25

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

The Younger Dryas was a different cooling event that was around 13,000 years ago, although that one was also devastating to the inhabitants of North America:

"The current impact hypothesis states that the air burst(s) or impact(s) of a swarm of�carbonaceous chondrites�or�comet�fragments set areas of the�North American�continent on fire, causing the�extinction of most of the megafauna�in�North America�and the demise of the North American�Clovis culture�after the�last glacial period.�The Younger Dryas ice age lasted for about 1,200 years before the climate warmed again."

The type of cooling that caused the little Ice Age via the colonization of the Americas is not unprecedented, as the same thing happened when Ghengis Khan killed 2% of the earth's population.

Pretty neat. And by neat I mean incomprehensibly hosed up.

# ? Feb 5, 2019 03:09

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

twoday posted:

The Younger Dryas was a different cooling event that was around 13,000 years ago, although that one was also devastating to the inhabitants of North America:

ah poo poo I misremembered thanks for the correction

# ? Feb 5, 2019 05:48

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

50 years of mercury poisoning of the Grassy Narrows First Nation
https://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/children-of-the-poisoned-river-mercury-poisoning-grassy-narrows-first-nation/

# ? Apr 1, 2019 02:29

Algund Eenboom: May 4, 2014

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1111425487962689537

# ? Apr 1, 2019 06:00

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Indigenous semiautonomous governance in Mexico
https://www.washingtonpost.com/phot...m=.5bbac6c5b8ba

# ? Apr 17, 2019 16:37

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

https://twitter.com/Trumenza/status/1124238957162549248?s=19

# ? May 3, 2019 19:14

get that OUT of my face: Feb 10, 2007

twoday posted:

https://twitter.com/Trumenza/status/1124238957162549248?s=19

how have there been zero lawsuits taking up state laws that are explicitly anti-first amendment

# ? May 3, 2019 20:23

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

You can�t shout �fire!� in an otherwise calm theater, so calling for drastic action in a perfectly normal and functional society should be forbidden in the same way :smuggo:

# ? May 4, 2019 03:21

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

I found this interesting:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/nyregion/ramapough-lenape-indians-mahwah-nj.html

Native Americans Find Surprising Ally in N.J. Fight: Trump Administration

Trump historically hates the Ramapough. In the 80's he took legal action to prevent them from getting federal recognition as a tribe, because he was afraid they would open up a casino that was closer to New York than his in Atlantic city were. More recently he supported running an oil pipeline through their land (called "The Pilgrim Pipeline"). The Ramapough occupied the site and built a stone altar and began practicing their religion there. This has upset some of the residents:

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In community meetings and on social media, club residents complain that the Ramapoughs have damaged their quality of life by using the nature preserve for noisy and unlawful gatherings that have filled the quiet enclave with cars and outsiders, and the air with ceremonial smoke and drums.

�The tribe are trying to get away with murder,� said Stephen Murray, a retired schoolteacher whose house overlooks the tribal property. �They are trying to make this an issue of religious discrimination,� he said.

�But when they have a community gathering, a smoking celebration or a �half moon� or whatever they�re doing, we have to hear their drums and the other crap that goes on there.�

As a result, the tribe has accumulated millions of dollars in fines for all sorts of supposed zoning violations and whatnot over the years. Last year they sued the township on the grounds that their freedom of religion was not being respected.

In an ironic twist of fate,

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On March 18, the tribe received the Justice Department�s statement of interest in support of the Ramapoughs� suit. The move is in keeping with a Trump administration-led push for the department to throw its weight behind cases of religious liberty � albeit one that has more often seen it interceding in Christian causes like that of a Colorado baker who refused to bake a gay couple�s wedding cake, and religious expression in school.

In gaining federal support, the Ramapough say they find themselves in an uneasy alliance with a government that many of their members believe has emboldened racial animus, citing Mr. Trump�s stance on Standing Rock and his comments disparaging judges, political candidates and others.

�He started it by denigrating people, and started reinforcing old folk tales about people�s heritage,� Chief Perry, who also goes by Maqua, said. �We are more than pleasingly surprised by the Trump administration�s support,� he added. �It�s on a path to redemption.�

I find it quite shocking to read, because I know Chief Perry has been very much opposed to Trump before. I'm also shocked that the Justice Department didn't take the side of the Polo Club, one of the Ramapough's main adversaries in this conflict.

# ? May 8, 2019 22:38

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Of course Trump is also working against the Wampanoag tribe's efforts to site a casino because it would compete with a buddy sooo

really good detailed report on native opinions of early 2020 predidential politics in WaPo https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/05/13/feature/what-do-native-americans-want-from-a-president/?utm_term=.621165b299c5

# ? May 21, 2019 03:48

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

twoday posted:

Any idea where I could find it? I don't even see it for sale anywhere. Looks cool tho

its making the festival circuit, i'm gonna try to see it at siff next week

# ? May 22, 2019 20:30

Algund Eenboom: May 4, 2014

https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1146366738432495617

# ? Jul 3, 2019 21:56

Coxswain Balls: Jun 4, 2001

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cn-rail-shutdown-1.5463266

Hell yeah

# ? Feb 14, 2020 00:39

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

https://twitter.com/NNTC_official/status/1281472243093041152?s=20

https://indiancountrytoday.com/news/q-a-what-does-mcgirt-ruling-mean-AAs4U3ot2E2JAsNk2cxjKA

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Does the decision give land back to tribes?

No. It does not change any land ownership in eastern Oklahoma, according to a release from the Native American Journalists Association and the Native American Rights Fund.

How does it affect criminal jurisdiction?

It does not grant the tribe criminal jurisdiction over non-Natives. Another Supreme Court case, Oliphant v. Suquamish, still limits tribal jurisdiction over non-Natives who commit crimes on tribal land, the release said.

But it does mean state prosecutors lack authority to pursue criminal cases against Native defendants in parts of Oklahoma that include most of Tulsa, the state's second-largest city.

Also, serious felonies committed by tribal citizens in parts of eastern Oklahoma will be subject to federal jurisdiction.

�That's what they [federal prosecutors] do in Indian Country all the time, is they prosecute cases where there's an Indian defendant or whether there's an Indian victim,� said Robert Anderson, a law professor at the University of Washington School of Law.

What about civil jurisdiction?

Federal law prevents tribes from exercising civil jurisdiction or regulatory jurisdiction over non-Natives in most circumstances, the release said.

...

What other effects will the ruling have?

�In the long term, outside of the criminal context, there may be some minor changes in civil law," said Forrest Tahdooahnippah, a Comanche Nation citizen and attorney who specializes in tribal law.

"The majority opinion points out assistance with Homeland Security, historical preservation, schools, highways, clinics, housing, and nutrition programs, as possible changes. The Creek Nation will also have greater jurisdiction over child welfare cases involving tribal members."

...

So, within that giant area (which includes Tulsa), the state of Oklahoma no longer has jurisdiction over the people of those tribes there, meaning that hundreds of convictions of Natives were legally invalid and can now be overturned.

twoday has issued a correction as of 00:46 on Jul 11, 2020

# ? Jul 11, 2020 00:28

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https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1146366738432495617

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Coxswain Balls: Jun 4, 2001

lol holy poo poo that's so bad.

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Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 232 days!

i like the concept as described by the tweet but it looks like someone suffering from lethal radiation poisoning threw up on a map of north america

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Coxswain Balls: Jun 4, 2001

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