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Slim Pickens posted:WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE'S NOT REALLY loving HER BROTHER??? Can we take a second to talk about why so much porn these days is weird stepsibling incest porn? Is it because white people have all been divorced and remarried like 4 times and thus have like 4 different families?
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Were you incredibly high or something?
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Jan 3, 2019 03:26
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Nuclear War posted:I talked to recruiters from all three branches when I lived in the US (gently caress no I won't be a Marine), but Jesus gently caress the recruiters would lie their asses off to get me to continue the process. I was in the Army in my home country, ten years, did two combat deployments and got out at the equivalent of E6 or so, and recruiters would tell me I could join up at near to that rank since it was NATO and I still held NATO Top Secret back home (no, I definitely couldn't). Got warned off by people here before I got very far at all, actually, and now I'll never live in the US again so it's a moot point, but the way recruiters would lie to my face just to keep their numbers up was a bit of a shock to me. I had an Army recruiter try to get me to drop out of ROTC (for which I had a full scholarship) and enlist "because you can always go green to gold later."
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Jan 3, 2019 18:18
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Hypothetical scenario: Trump resigns/is impeached and removed/strokes out, leaving Pence. Who do you pick for the Dems? I think at that point, Warren becomes a very strong choice.
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Jan 3, 2019 23:09
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Internet Wizard posted:There's definitely a trend of complaining about people voting for anybody with an R after their name no matter how garbage of a person they are, while also saying you'd better do the exact same for anybody with a D no matter how bad of a candidate they are. On the other hand, if you're in the majority then it doesn't matter. Republicans have made governing a zero sum game; the only hope at getting through any progressive policies is to ensure they aren't in power and Democrats are. Even people like Lamb and Manchin will fall in line and vote for poo poo like UHC when they know it'll pass. If people want to replace establishment candidates, the time to do it is in the primaries, not the general election.
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Jan 4, 2019 14:38
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I mean yeah in an Arlen Spectre situation, gently caress no I'm not voting for them. But if it's an otherwise qualified candidate, at this point in history I'm voting for them every time over anyone who associates themselves with the Republican party. If someone looks at what the Republican party represents today in 2019 and thinks "Yeah I'm on board with that," then that automatically disqualifies them in my mind. Run as an independent or some third party poo poo instead, especially if it's a state or local race where that actually works.
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Jan 4, 2019 14:48
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Cugel the Clever posted:In addition to the points made above, explicitly asserting this basically tells the people who need your vote that you don't need to be catered to beyond mere lip service. If your aspiring rep is a uniquely good person with policy that mirrors your own, this isn't so bad. If they are anything else, it results in you being ignored and, in worst cases, enables the rep to commit explicit bad actions (abuse of office, corruption, sexual assault, etc.). I think you're correct that supporting lovely candidates just because of their party affiliation hurts the outcome of the general election, but the time to take care of that is the primaries. The whole "principled" vote thing is usually just an excuse to not vote for someone who doesn't align with all of your views, just most of them. See all of the people complaining about O'Rourke and AOC, even though they were high quality candidates that motivated tons of unengaged or first time voters.
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Jan 4, 2019 15:33
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Proud Christian Mom posted:we're living in a universe literally built on 'the lesser evil!' and some of you still have the gall to try and blame people for wanting to change that. are you loving serious. In a system that structurally supports only two parties, you can literally only choose between the lesser of two evils. That sucks, but that's reality.
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Jan 4, 2019 16:14
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The Iron Rose posted:I don't particularly think this is a compelling argument because we tried it in 2016 and look where that went I think Bernie and other entities like DSA (and, unfortunately, the Tea Party) have added some third party elements to the big two parties. But unfortunately you can't really have a full third party exist without cannibalizing votes. Like I doubt anyone who voted for Jill Stein is more okay with Trump's policies than they would have been with Hillary's.
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Jan 4, 2019 16:30
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The Iron Rose posted:Maybe. Inspiring Hillary was not either. But I also think that blaming Sanders or Bernie supporters is counterproductive. We should be working together and not relitigating the past and reopening old wounds. I'm not blaming them. They managed to add quite a few of their policies to the party platform, so they were highly successful. They also managed to get a number of their candidates elected in the 2018 election. My point is that the closest we can really get to third parties is within the parties themselves.
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Jan 4, 2019 16:38
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Hahaha NIST's entire cyber security website (except the NVD) is down due to the shutdown.
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Jan 4, 2019 20:54
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Vasudus posted:Impeachment is a lightning rod to both sides. Yeah. It's gotta accompany something truly damning, like Mueller producing hard evidence of him working with the Russians or something else. At that point it becomes a true wedge for Senate Republicans, which could be weaponized against them in an election.
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Jan 5, 2019 00:00
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:hey is any part of the internet run by the government still like central hubs or something? Not really. A lot of their websites are down, though. For example: http://www.nist.gov/ The DoD and the Intel community have their own networks they maintain, but DISA is fully funded.
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Jan 5, 2019 05:54
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Australian Shepherd best Shepherd.
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Jan 6, 2019 15:39
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Vasudus posted:poo poo is going to for-real start breaking down sometime around the beginning of next <checks calendar> uh...tomorrow. Important things are going to stop working tomorrow. So really who knows, but more people are going to start suffering over this stupid loving wall. Food stamps and tax returns will be delayed toward the end of the month. I think that'll break a lot of Republicans in more rural states (Sasse, Alexander, Murkowski).
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Jan 6, 2019 16:00
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Just lol if he vetoes a tax return bill.
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Jan 6, 2019 18:37
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Would be funny if the TSA employees struck. It's not like they can fire them and hire scabs like Reagan did.
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Jan 6, 2019 21:42
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:Fake news. The consensus was “Matthew Dowd, suck our collective dick from the back.” Gotta exercise some decorum here, guys. "Kindly suck our collective dick from the back."
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Jan 7, 2019 14:46
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I mean technically Mexico is part of north America, which is AN America.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:29
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bird food bathtub posted:Thought that was ZTX or whatever and Donald was doing it in exchange for them giving him the copyright on "Trump"? Very definitely remember him being concerned about so many Chinese jobs being lost in an interview or something because gently caress your ideological consistency, Donnie has a deal to make for his own wallet and the office of the presidency is just another grift for him. It was ZTE. They violated sanctions against Iran by selling them embargoed technologies, so the DoJ, Treasury, and Commerce effectively banned all US companies from doing business with them until Trump complained. Take a moment to let the irony set in.
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Jan 7, 2019 18:55
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AOC lasted all of a week before beginning to disappoint:quote:COOPER: One of the criticisms of you is that-- that your math is fuzzy. The Washington Post recently awarded you four Pinocchios -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/07/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-very-bad-defense-her-falsehoods/?utm_term=.e515b978922f
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Jan 7, 2019 21:43
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CommieGIR posted:Your missing the essential quote to that: I'm talking specifically about her response to AC where she basically says being wrong doesn't matter because the ends justify the means and Trump does it too. e: It's only after AC calls her out on that that she backtracks. She doesn't apologize for being wrong. COOPER: But being factually correct is important-- OCASIO-CORTEZ: It’s absolutely important. And whenever I make a mistake. I say, “Okay, this was clumsy,” and then I restate what my point was. But it’s -- it’s not the same thing as -- as the president lying about immigrants. It’s not the same thing at all. psydude fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Jan 7, 2019 22:17
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Kawasaki Nun posted:It's political and she owned the mistake. I don't know what the original misifgure was but this seems pretty appropriate? She wildly misrepresented some numbers regarding the Pentagon's accounting and got dinged for it. But that isn't really the issue.
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Jan 7, 2019 22:26
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e^: The article she's referencing refers specifically to accounting errors, not $21T in wasted money. From the fact checker article: Regardless, in the situation Skidmore is describing, the $21 trillion is not one big pot of dormant money collecting dust somewhere. It’s the sum of all transactions — both inflows and outflows — for which the Defense Department did not have adequate documentation. “The same dollar could be accounted for many times,” as Philip Klein wrote in the Washington Examine . . . After this fact check was published, Pentagon spokesman Christopher Sherwood said “DoD hasn’t received $21 trillion in (nominal) appropriated funding across the entirety of American history CommieGIR posted:I'm gonna disagree. She's specifically saying that the facts may not be immediately present at the time, and that she is fully willing to admit when called out on it, leaving out her last sentence makes it appear like justifying Trump's alternate facts, but she openly says that when called out she'd apologize. I'm not quite sure we're debating the same point here. I'm taking issue with the fact that she states that being factually wrong is perfectly fine as long as you're doing it for the right reasons, specifically when the president already does it for far worse things. psydude fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Jan 7, 2019 22:29
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I like that expecting the Democratic party and its elected candidates to walk the walk with respect to not doing the same bullshit as Republicans somehow makes me a centrist.
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Jan 7, 2019 22:37
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hobbesmaster posted:We tried "when you go low, we go high" Relying on bullshit facts is different from rolling over due to decorum. You can't call your opponents out when they're full of poo poo if you're full of poo poo yourself.
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Jan 7, 2019 22:42
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CommieGIR posted:Misquoting someone to make it look worse, and then being more stringent on that person than you have been on the sitting US President and his Press Secretary is the issue. I don't know why you keep bringing the CNN article into this. The exchange is literally in a video, and the article I linked wasn't CNN.
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Jan 7, 2019 22:43
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CommieGIR posted:The fact checker calling her out specifically said he didn't include the quote because he ran out of Twitter space. Chris Cilliza isn't the fact checker. The fact checker in question was the Washington Post, which analyzed her tweet and the article that it referenced. CNN wasn't involved in any way, and the AC interview question referenced it specifically. Whether or not CNN conveniently left something out of their article has nothing to do with the original fact checking. And the article that I linked in my original post wasn't the CNN article. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/04/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-trillion-mistake/?utm_term=.de74408e1185 psydude fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Jan 7, 2019 22:48
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redneck nazgul posted:The fact that you're even bothering to argue "Person who admits to making mistake just as bad as person outright lying" means you're a hack hiding behind "Gosh, we can't have our politicians saying untrue things, then we'd be just as bad as the Republicans!". I took issue with her statement that people were focusing too much on facts. That's not quite the same as saying she's as bad as Trump. quote:To be fair, you've always argued I never bother discussing policy in this thread because we're all pretty much in agreement on things like UHC, gun control, and immigrant child concentration camps.
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Jan 7, 2019 23:05
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and never once touched policy anyway so I don't know why I'm expecting better.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:quick reminder that psydude is doing pretty well so he doesn't really give a poo poo if things change or not. Trump is a threat to him because he causes market instability, not because he is really, actually evil. drat, you caught me.
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Jan 8, 2019 00:49
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mlmp08 posted:Centrist: look, AOC is really just one house rep out of 435, I don't know why people get so excited about her. Max Boot wants everyone to forget that he spent years extolling the virtues of the Bush doctrine and only reversed course midway through 2017. He's basically the Italy of nevertrumpers.
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Jan 8, 2019 14:48
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mlmp08 posted:Hey, it worked to keep sky shark out. I think it's one thing for HCT to rib me for dumb poo poo I've posted while jet lagged, and another thing for someone to respond to a discussion that we're having by saying that I'm totally down with child concentration camps and muslim bans because of reasons that have nothing to do with either. In fact, it was you specifically that once chided me for suggesting that people's posting here reflects who they actually are.
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Jan 8, 2019 15:45
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mlmp08 posted:My memory isn’t good enough to recall what you are talking about. It's not really important. But for AB to say he doesn't want GiP to be a FYAD lite but be totally cool with JohnnyFiveAces' personal snipes is a little hosed up.
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Jan 8, 2019 15:51
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Anyway, back to current events: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/politics/bolton-trump-syria.html Bolton: We're totally pulling out of Syria immediately* *once we finish the existing mission that could take years
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Jan 8, 2019 15:55
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I bet that Afghan troop drawdown is going to be scheduled to take through like 2024, guaranteeing that any future president can reverse course.That Works posted:you just lost your wildly popular SecDef because the POTUS made a spur of the moment decision while on the phone with Erdogan that literally no one but him seemed to like. This is the best part. Mattis was the only official left in the administration who had any sort of bipartisan respect or trust, and Trump pissed him away for nothing.
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Jan 8, 2019 16:26
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Can't wait for it to come out that someone used it to stalk and kill an ex. Or disappear a Russian/Saudi dissident.
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Jan 8, 2019 21:46
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BigDave posted:Yeah screw the networks, I'll read a recap in the Washington Post tomorrow morning. I'm going to read the play by play in this thread after I finish this movie.
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Jan 9, 2019 02:45
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As Nero Danced posted:He doesn't work well without a crowd to amp up. He's best on the summer stadium tour playing all of the old hits.
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Jan 9, 2019 03:22
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:It happens to everyone! Nice.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:our country grinding to a halt because of TSA quitting is something I didn't expect https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/01/08/will-government-shutdown-affect-your-next-flight/?utm_term=.b48155440ade This made me laugh out loud: quote:TSA officials have declined to detail the total number of screeners who aren’t showing up for work, saying that personnel who would provide those answers have been furloughed
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