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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
I still don't know why DC greenlit the horrible trainwreck and awful idea that is Heroes in a Crisis.

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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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X-O posted:

I think putting Batman in charge of an AI designed to help people get over trauma is a great idea because if there's anyone that's shown the ability to get over trauma it's good ol' Bats.


Also E&C mentioning The Protector reminded me he existed so I wanted to see what he was talking about and searched out the panl on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/Latin4Cookies/status/1090684150984704005

I know I rag on Tom King but that is some terrible writing right there. Just awful dialogue.

It also seems to be, like many of the things in this comic series, just mean spirited.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Vince MechMahon posted:

I always interpreted it as his black and white world view being completely shattered. Yes he knows he can't win against Manhattan, but he also knows that a situation as complex as the one he's in just doesn't work with how he views the world. He knows that he's going to get killed, if not by Manhattan by Ozy, and chooses to go out as close to his own terms as he can get: with a futile symbolic gesture of resistance.

Ozy had no intention of killing Rorschach. He even states it's fine to let him go, cause very few will believe him if he even makes it back to civilization from the ice fields.
Manhattan kills him anyway, and lies about it to Ozy. And I don't think Rorschach knew he was a dead man until he saw Manhattan appear in front of him when he left.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Admiralty Flag posted:

If the truth about the plan is unimportant after the teleportation happens, then why does Adrian kill his manservants? (True, he poisons them before he activates the teleporter but he could have just given them knockout drops to prevent any possible interference; good butlers are hard to find.) Why does Moore have the entire last page of the comic hinge on the potential threat of Seymour reading the journal?

Once the truth got out, there'd be zero chance that the USSR would say, "Sure President Nixon, we believe that this beloved public hero did all of this himself without US government backing, tacit approval, or knowledge!" Instead, they'd roll tanks into the Middle East and Germany.

Everyone except Rorschach agrees they have to keep their mouths shut to avoid causing a situation worse than the prior status quo.

Rorschach is a loony that no one believes or listens to. Veidt even says that is why him leaving makes no difference.

Jon tells him that Rorschach went into the Ice Fields and that it's unlikely that he will make it back to civilization. To which Veidt says it's a shame, but does not really change anything.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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That's cute. Croc has been treated much more sympathetically in recent years.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Endless Mike posted:

An attack on Titans, you say? Sounds pretty Nazi!

Attack on Titan is not Nazi stuff, and that misinformation needs to stop being spread.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Are they going to kill the DC Universe.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Maybe a reboot is coming.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Teenage Fansub posted:

From DC Eased? Sounds a bit chill for that sort of thing.

Well if they kill everyone, they have to bring them back somehow.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Roth posted:

Personally, I'm still trying to process the idea that Darkseid fucks for pleasure.
I don't think he does, and the entire comic feels very out of character everyone involved.

Though I am glad they went back to the better Steppenwolf design.

Admiralty Flag posted:


Also remember that Darkseid once had his own personal pimp/pornographer New God, Sleez, but I won't say any more because that was the beginning of the end for the good 12 months of Byrne Superman

Darkseid also thought he was worthless and exiled him.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Agreed and I don't get why Johns wants to do it that way. Next to none of the characters fans want it to be that way.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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I still liked Black Bat.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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This sounds very appealing. It's a shame I am a canadian.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Everytime a writer talks about "making their mark" on the character I tend to think "wonder what they are going to do screw the character up."

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Well gently caress I am bummed now. I was hoping that maybe Wally's plan in Heroes 9 would undo everything that happened. It did not, so now Wally is basically ruined as a character.

Heroes in a Crisis what an awful awful awful idea.

Edit:gently caress this more apparently King views this as something that elevates the character.

Tom King posted:

That said, I face this time and again, this is kind of what I do. I tear down heroes to their essential components and build them back up. I mean, to the first page in Mister Miracle, he's bleeding out, he's cut his own wrist. The first issue of Omega Man, Kyle Rainer gets his neck chopped open, the first issue of The Vision has his daughter being stabbed through the heart, right?

This is sort of what I do, but at the end of the day, hopefully people say "oh, he had some respect for that Mister Miracle, he wasn't just doing it to be mean, he was actually doing it to exploit his character and to elevate the character." Mister Miracle went through hell, but now everybody knows who Mister Miracle is, right? Same with Vision, I put him through hell. I had him almost turn into absolute evil, but it elevated that character a little bit, and now they're doing the TV show which, you know, had something to do with my stuff. So, hopefully people will see at the end of the day, we're doing the same thing with Wally. Wally hasn't had a successful solo comic since, when? 2003? What I'm saying is, the idea behind this is to elevate that character. Everyone is now talking about Wally. Everyone wants to see where Wally goes next. Everyone wants Wally to get the attention that that character deserves. He's my favorite Flash. He's my entry into DC comics -- The Flash #53 by Messner-Loebs and Larocque was my first DC comic. I love that character. I have a page above my desk of Wally from that Flash run and I think this, at the end of the day, will shine a spotlight on my character and put him at the center of the DC universe, in a place he hasn't been for 15 years.

The arrogance is astounding. No wonder I felt right to fear whatever his massive status quo change for Batman is, that will make his "mark" on the character.

Anyway I refuse to support any books written by him anymore.

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 22:03 on May 29, 2019

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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A Fancy Hat posted:

This might be a controversial opinion but Heroes in Crisis was complete crap from day one,

Don't think that was controversial.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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TwoPair posted:

iirc they were just a creep to women on some other forum where he stupidly used the same name so everyone just shunned him here

I am so glad he is gone.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Siegkrow posted:

I reiterate:
God Damnit Tom!

What happened now.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Mandibular Fiasco posted:

I just finished Volume 1, too, and really enjoyed it. I enjoyed the exhausted Batman tremendously. I like the art a lot - but Jim Aparo’s art was my first Batman when reading as a kid, so I have a different connection to the art. I still think Bane’s costume is ridiculous, though.

I like Bane's original outfit. It's simple and works well.

chaosapiant posted:

So I’m about 60 pages (the first issue) into volume 1 of the Knightfall Omnibus. I’m already hooked. The art is a bit dated (not nearly as much as Death in the Family) but the writing is super punchy and to the point. Bane is immediately a much more interesting character than I believe he’d be. I dig him and see him, as he’s written, as a protagonist in a way. Or at least someone I want to root for. I like how they spent the time to delve into his backstory. I’m pumped to see where this goes.

Yeah he's much less of a brute then you would think he is.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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X-O posted:

Whoever wrote the bold part should have been executed where they stood.

No the Gray Son part was the stupidest.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Cael posted:

I am baselessly speculating and it’s absolutely farthest thing from the truth, but I’m choosing to believe all the delays are from Johns just digging in and stomping his feet saying “I’m USING the drat NAME”.

I hope that happens.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Rhyno posted:

A shame we lost our resident JT fanboy, he could have explained it to you I'm certain.

Not a shame at all, he was a piece of poo poo.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Yeah if he was a one off it would not be too bad. But him sticking around is annoying.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Two Tone Shoes posted:

I know most folks don't give a poo poo because of the people involved but man Flash Forward #2 had probably the biggest cliffhanger it could toss at us.

What happens because I am not getting the book unless said spoilers heavily change things.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Darth Nat posted:

Yeah, BatO really turned things around once it started focusing on the team and less on the new OCs.

Also, I haven't really been following the DCeased stuff, but this cover for the new spinoff starting next year caught my eye for a very specific reason:



Ohh Cass's old Batgirl outfit.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Xelkelvos posted:

No.

Edit: Long answer is that he killed Grail by sucking out all of her energy and became an adult and also closing off that plot threead. a two-fer

Overall a good solution. Grail was pointless as was the Darkseid war thing were he died and became a baby.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Two Tone Shoes posted:

Also, while they weren't HEAT levels, Waid has stated that both he and Messner-Loebs (who Waid edited for on the Flash run before him) got constant angry letters and a couple of threats demanding they bring back Barry. It's part of the reason he wrote The Return of Barry Allen, to completely stomp out the idea that Barry was coming back.

So much for that, but it is the best Flash story so that's something.

Great Thawne story too. Via actually giving him a motive for his crazy evil.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Xelkelvos posted:

There are definitely a few villains who'd be at the top of the list in having a take over of Wayne Enterprises be interesting, but Joker is about at the same place as Clayface and Man-Bat in terms of interesting stories. Hush has ostensibly done it once already for a short period, but obviously not up to the full potential. Riddler would definitely be up there as an interesting arc. Same with any of the al-Ghuls though it'd seem superfluous given their own stockpile of assets. Bane would've been good if not for the fact that King just did a story where he took over Gotham. The Penguin might be an interesting one, but I feel like stories about old Gotham family stuff is just very tired at this point. Any other interesting villains doing it would be from someone outside Batman's Rogue's gallery like Luthor maybe

It would make sense for Black Mask to do it. He got powers from Luthor recently that lets him change his mask into other faces.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Rhyno posted:

So.





Mark Waid is an editor and not just a writer. Chatter is he's going ot the DC offices for meetings very soon. New EiC?

I think that would be cool. Waid is cool from what I know.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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The Omega effect has a large number of powers. Teleporting, causing pain. creating copies of Darkseid.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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BrianWilly posted:

It's just funny because, for all purposes, right now Diana's mad at Max for...nothing?...and he's been in jail for...no reason.

Also he's got like, Dr. Psycho-tier mind-control now 'cuz he's basically a Wondy villain at this point so he's gotta be able to do something.
But Dr Psycho is a Wondy villain. Why not just use him if you want someone with Mind Control powers.

KaosMachina posted:

Well, no, because in Suicide Squad, Ted Kord is currently the villain because he's been picked as 'random-rear end businessman trying to take over task force x'

E: oh which somehow also doesn't conflict with "Was never actually on the justice league and just mentored Jaime for a while in his series" somehow because

Wait Kord was just hanging out with Booster Gold in a recent story. The hell.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Wait did Hood just murder that little person and no one commented on it.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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BrianWilly posted:


The idea that he's going around having everyone make bad decisions every week and like encouraging them to, Idunno, forget to take out the trash and stuff is...it's a lot.

While the ability is a bit out of nowhere. Honestly doing poo poo like this is very in character for Thawne who is a super petty asshoel .

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
It was in a Scarecrow episode. Batman talks to a Doctor there who says they have all the villains locked up right now calling them Oswald Copplepot, Harvey Dent and Jack Napier "Who you call Penguin, Two-Face, and the Joker." Before Batman accuses Scarecrow of being the guilty party, and the doctor says that Professor Crane is still locked up.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Kind of wish the Black and Whites alliance had remained a thing. It was a Gotham crime lord alliance between Great White Shark, Black Mask and Penguin. But it was pretty much just dropped, Don't know what GWS is up to, but Black Mask and Penguin have been doing other things.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Xelkelvos posted:

Suicide Squad ended this week and the new storyline for RHatO started. RHatO's new writer is Shawn Martinbrough and it's Jason back in Gotham in The Hill neighborhood which seems to be styled as a majority minority borough that's not quite hit the gentrification Burnside did in Batgirl but might be there in a few years. It seems to be going back to street level stuff, themed gangs, and the heaviest hitter that showed up is Killer Croc

Though the Suicide Squad is more being rebranded as the same team is going to be back under a new name.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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I think they should take Adam's Hood and Cape off to make him look different from Billy again. I liked that look better.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Lord_Hambrose posted:

The ending to Superman Worlds of War really works. Probably one of the best Future State books for sure.

Shazam... Shazam is an abomination.

What happened?

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Rhyno posted:

He got rid of his hat?


Can anyone do a wellness check on Darth Titmouse?

Nah he got banned for being terrible.

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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

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Roth posted:


Batman 1's intro of the Joker is very weirdly creepy: Just random murders because he can, and nobody can stop him. The non-Joker parts of the issue are, uh, there alright and the less interesting parts despite also bringing in Catwoman.

Yeah was just reading it for the first time myself, it's creepy and a good intro for the character.

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