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They really cucked the themes on this story adaptation too. Dororo bad!
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They turned a story about how people use weapons to take their own guilt and trauma out on others into a generic demon sword story, all of my predictions about this show are coming true. I eagerly await the episode set in the dog fighting village that decides that dog fighting is harsh but an economic necessity for low income villages, and the demon tree episode that is pro deforestation.
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Jan 28, 2019 20:26
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I want to like this show, the art is good, the character designs are excellent, the soundtrack is top notch, but the writing is stripping away everything that made this story interesting and resonant to me in the first place.
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Jan 28, 2019 20:30
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tezuka's stuff being whitewashed is nothing new
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Jan 28, 2019 21:37
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obviously what we really need is an adaptation of MW
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Jan 28, 2019 22:33
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dogsicle posted:obviously what we really need is an adaptation of MW 
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Jan 28, 2019 23:00
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I liked the episode a lot. The action was cool. If you want the old story, read/watch that. If it’s the same story 100%, what’s the point
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Jan 29, 2019 04:18
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i think the ragging on this show in relation to the old version isn't terribly helpful on a week-to-week basis, but would probably be better when all is said and done and people itt may be looking toward the manga/old anime/ps2 game as other interpretations of the story. i'm still sorting through my thoughts on this specific ep, but as someone not familiar with the old version, this one still does seem lackluster in the writing department. animation and overall aesthetic remains top notch though.
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Jan 29, 2019 04:38
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Nanigans posted:I liked the episode a lot. The action was cool. If you want the old story, read/watch that. If it’s the same story 100%, what’s the point They turned a story about how charity demoralizes and the ruling class exploits the populace, into a story about how rural people are cowards and liars who need to be taught a lesson. They turned a story about how young boys fantasize about war, and about a soldier who was so afraid of trying to re-integrate into normal society that he'd rather cling to violence, into one where an impersonal supernatural force is to blame for everything. Artistic license doesn't mean you can't be criticized for making a completely depoliticized and toothless version of a manga that was really angry about injustice and war. They could have changed things to be more relevant to modern politics vs. the old show that was very much about post-war Japan, but this version is just completely terrified of making an actual statement.
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Jan 29, 2019 04:58
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:They turned a story about how charity demoralizes and the ruling class exploits the populace, into a story about how rural people are cowards and liars who need to be taught a lesson. Thank you
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Jan 29, 2019 05:06
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On a positive note I do like that the first thing Hyakkimaru hears with his new ears is the sister crying. That's a genuinely clever touch that isn't there in the old show because it pretty much glosses over his sensory disabilities. e: I don't think the writing is completely inept in terms of the characters' personal journey, but it's like if somebody remade Black Hawk Down or Apocalypse Now or something and painstakingly removed everything about America's role in the respective wars or the larger forces involved. The absence is deafening. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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Jan 29, 2019 05:13
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:They turned a story about how young boys fantasize about war, and about a soldier who was so afraid of trying to re-integrate into normal society that he'd rather cling to violence, into one where an impersonal supernatural force is to blame for everything.
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Jan 29, 2019 05:37
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Nanigans posted:I liked the episode a lot. The action was cool. If you want the old story, read/watch that. If it’s the same story 100%, what’s the point The original isn't without it's missteps and I like the aesthetic this show has brought. My hope for this show was that it would keep the best parts of the original and bring out the good parts of the bad, and make the decent stuff even better. What I'm trying to express in this thread isn't my belief that the old show is inherently superior, but more my exasperation and disappointment in how bland this adaptation is. The Jukai episode is the closest to what I had hoped for, it took aspects that weren't really explored in the original like Jukai serving in the army and made them an entire character arc. That episode wasn't perfect but it was good! It carried a lot more emotion in the relationship between Hyakkimaru and Jukai than in other adaptations that treat Jukai as a narrative tool to give Hyakkimaru sword arms. It asked questions about whether or not someone who has committed grievous crimes can ever truly atone for what they have done. That episode was also the first time this show had been patient. I'm fine with changing the story but there's no patience or tension in this adaptation. It's boring to watch. I'll shut up about the original for now and I still intend to watch this show to see how they adapt some of the later stories I really enjoy that aren't as thematically dense. Tuxedo Catfish posted:On a positive note I do like that the first thing Hyakkimaru hears with his new ears is the sister crying. That's a genuinely clever touch that isn't there in the old show because it pretty much glosses over his sensory disabilities. I really liked how it was just an overwhelming wall of noise at first. Experiencing a sense for the first time must be terrifying!
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Terrible Opinions posted:Like wut? Maybe it was significantly better in the original, but the metaphor doesn't really get more blatant than here. The demon sword is a thing that only exists because of the demands of the ruling class, and that the soldier longs for even when it's no longer directly influencing him. I don't think it takes a galaxy brain intellect to make the connection that it's metaphorical for state demanded violence. That's certainly a reading but it's not an obvious one. And it's complicated by the fact that he does seem to have some sense of self-awareness of his evilness since he folded that other crane, but still goes out to get the sword anyway. I think the show has ideas but it's not presenting them well.
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Jan 29, 2019 05:43
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Terrible Opinions posted:Like wut? Maybe it was significantly better in the original, but the metaphor doesn't really get more blatant than here. The demon sword is a thing that only exists because of the demands of the ruling class, and that the soldier longs for even when it's no longer directly influencing him. I don't think it takes a galaxy brain intellect to make the connection that it's metaphorical for state demanded violence. The Demon Sword here is an already-cursed item that the samurai general doesn't understand or believe in, and it kills him almost as soon as it's unleashed. It indicts him for his personal cruelty -- by being such a monster he inadvertently unleashed the sword -- but it doesn't go much further than that. It also downplays the brother's conflicted attempts at abandoning the sword before finally deciding for himself that he can't live without it (vs. nearly-mute acceptance that it's not done with him) and completely excises the part about Dororo thinking violence is awesome.
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Jan 29, 2019 05:45
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The only time the sword's magic power impacted the plot was in forcing Dororo to take it back to it's wielder. I doesn't even look usable for fighting until a man has been forced to murder several people with it, and returns to its rusted state as soon as that man dies. The sword is the soldier's violent nature as forced on him by the upper class, there is no more magic to it than that. Like it's perfectly fine to say that the show could have executed on the idea better, but it's bordering on being willfully obtuse to claim the ideas aren't there.
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Jan 29, 2019 05:54
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Where was the blind guy in all this?
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Jan 29, 2019 05:55
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:The Demon Sword here is an already-cursed item that the samurai general doesn't understand or believe in, and it kills him almost as soon as it's unleashed. It indicts him for his personal cruelty -- by being such a monster he inadvertently unleashed the sword -- but it doesn't go much further than that. It also downplays the brother's conflicted attempts at abandoning the sword before finally deciding for himself that he can't live without it (vs. nearly-mute acceptance that it's not done with him) and completely excises the part about Dororo thinking violence is awesome. I know I just said I'd stop talking about the original but it having a story about how children are attracted to weapons and violence because they let them inflict their pain and trauma on the rest of the world was one of the unfortunately timelier themes of the original
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Jan 29, 2019 05:56
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GorfZaplen posted:Where was the blind guy in all this?
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:They turned a story about how charity demoralizes and the ruling class exploits the populace, into a story about how rural people are cowards and liars who need to be taught a lesson. The only complaints I have about the execution for this one is that they made Nihiru's origin and the way the fight ends less interesting. In the original version, Nirihu isn't a random relic lying in a treasury, but Tanosuke's original sword that got warped into a demonic force from all the killing he was forced to do, which is nice symbolism for his actions and the corruption he suffers. (I guess there's a plothole timewise if the sword didn't exist when Hyakkimaru was born? Seems easy to handwave away though.) Meanwhile, the fight between Tanosuke and Hyakkimaru in the original ends with Tanosuke stabbing himself to satisfy the sword's bloodlust, which hints that Tanosuke might be feeling guilt over his actions and emphasizes the theme that the humans are fundamentally good but can be corrupted by greater powers whether that power is external or given to them. Also Nihiru being a regular sword with a neon sticker is lame, if you're going to make it an ancient relic make it look cooler.  Tuxedo Catfish posted:Artistic license doesn't mean you can't be criticized for making a completely depoliticized and toothless version of a manga that was really angry about injustice and war. They could have changed things to be more relevant to modern politics vs. the old show that was very much about post-war Japan, but this version is just completely terrified of making an actual statement. Can Of Worms fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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Jan 29, 2019 08:29
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I just realized that the dog hasn't shown up since the first episode and that's the actual worst thing this adaptation has done
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Jan 29, 2019 16:05
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Hell of a cliffhanger this ep, pretty bleak episode. It's interesting how they're expanding smaller parts of the original...I wish they could do it without compressing the parts that were good to begin with, but I'm willing to see where this goes
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Feb 5, 2019 04:59
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Why are all these demons just hanging out on vacant lots and committing robbery.
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Feb 5, 2019 05:17
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The demon economy is rough, not enough people offering their firstborn child for power and riches.
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Feb 5, 2019 07:22
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Was Feudal Japan known for its active and thriving economy? Gotta find those people to murder.
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Feb 5, 2019 08:03
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the tokugawa economy exploded upwards the moment the daimyo stopped trying to all mass murder one another and trade goods could flow from one end of the realm to the other also, this show is plenty angry enough at the samurai (gently caress em)
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Phobophilia posted:the tokugawa economy exploded upwards the moment the daimyo stopped trying to all mass murder one another and trade goods could flow from one end of the realm to the other It's just going to get angrier, or it better at least GorfZaplen fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Feb 6, 2019 03:45
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loving yikes, man
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Feb 11, 2019 21:54
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GorfZaplen posted:It's just going to get angrier, or it better at least Uh yeah, this episode has made it clear how all samurai need to die. Especially since someone's gonna tell the commander that someone attacked them.
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Feb 11, 2019 23:03
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RottenK posted:loving yikes, man People need to learn to say (even if in spoilers) why they're reacting this way for others who have not yet seen the episode.
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Feb 11, 2019 23:36
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no they dont
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Feb 12, 2019 00:22
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 I need to stop watching this show while I have dinner. Not because it was gross to watch period, (because I'm desensitized to violence), but because it's too gross to try to chew while tears stream down my face.
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Feb 12, 2019 03:57
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I hope Gorf is happy, because this certain is - wow.
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Feb 12, 2019 04:00
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I haven't finished the episode but it's stupid that he just, got his leg back.
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Feb 12, 2019 06:22
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HOw's that even work. Did two demons both claim his leg?
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Feb 12, 2019 06:23
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Bad news about his dick: no demon claimed it but it's still not there.
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Feb 12, 2019 06:24
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Hyakkimaru killing samurai was explicitly framed as a bad thing, so this adaptation remains fail.
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Feb 12, 2019 06:29
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Killing samurai is bad, and self actualizing at the expense of your dictator father is also bad - Dororo 2009
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Feb 12, 2019 06:32
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Also another episode where Dororo strictly has a caretaker role, some greatest thief in the world he is.
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GorfZaplen posted:Hyakkimaru killing samurai was explicitly framed as a bad thing, so this adaptation remains fail. nah, killing samurai is cool and good. losing yourself over to revenge is bad
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