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Part of a high hypernormalization score is that it stops restricting other countries to one diplomatic category. So you can simultaneously be allied, rivaled, sanctioned, biggest trading partner. A skilled player can do some hilarious stuff with it but the AI has trouble with that much flexibility so once things get off script it’s not capable of making a new plan for how to treat you.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:It's rough to ride out the Trump/Biden combo, and you are very likely to have Trump again; you can try to jury rig a Republican impeachment vote of incapability, which leads to some incredible moments as the game's AI (that does the dynamic evaluation for the procedural systems of history) works to keep it together but also creates amazing hilarity as result speaking of amazing hilarity, i just had a post-biden election where "amazing hillary" won lol. i didn't even know that was possible; i thought she was guaranteed to lose because of the "loser stink" trait she gets after losing to trump bug or hidden mechanic? it's paradox so who the gently caress knows!
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:speaking of amazing hilarity, i just had a post-biden election where "amazing hillary" won lol. i didn't even know that was possible; i thought she was guaranteed to lose because of the "loser stink" trait she gets after losing to trump Your hypernormalization means you probably can’t see that that is actually like a -5, it’s not much of a modifier for whatever reason.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:speaking of amazing hilarity, i just had a post-biden election where "amazing hillary" won lol. i didn't even know that was possible; i thought she was guaranteed to lose because of the "loser stink" trait she gets after losing to trump   
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So I'm doing a US run where I'm trying to avoid the Water Wars. Going Gore -> Romney -> Trump -> Newsom. Managed to get "Trump sides with Business" and "Industrial Capital ascendant" GOP faction events. Enough of Gore's reforms have survived so that I can proc "Green New Deal" with Newsom. I've managed to get re-industrialization going as well as several canal megaprojects, unfortunately almost all of the social reforms were blocked. It seems like no matter what the composition of the Senate I never have enough Dems to get them passed. As a result, the Steelist faction took over the All-Union Congress. I've been save-scumming this repeatedly, but even when I can get them passed "Business Plot 2" procs and overthrows the government, at which point Joe Steele calls for a general strike and the civil war starts. Any suggestions? unwantedplatypus has issued a correction as of 04:14 on Feb 4, 2024 |
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unwantedplatypus posted:So I'm doing a US run where I'm trying to avoid the Water Wars. Going Gore -> Romney -> Trump -> Newsom. Managed to get "Trump sides with Business" and "Industrial Capital ascendant" GOP faction events. Enough of Gore's reforms have survived so that I can proc "Green New Deal" with Newsom. I've managed to get re-industrialization going as well as several canal megaprojects, unfortunately almost all of the social reforms were blocked. It seems like no matter what the composition of the Senate I never have enough Dems to get them passed. As a result, the Steelist faction took over the All-Union Congress. I've been save-scumming this repeatedly, but even when I can get them passed "Business Plot 2" procs and overthrows the government, at which point Joe Steele calls for a general strike and the civil war starts. this is related to how the hypernormalization is used to railroad a civil war or at least crisis for the US. If you really want to do this you should look into one of the “compaction cycle” strats. in short, pack as many socially regressive people into some state that will be hosed by climate change and either release it or play the civil war event chain perfectly. just remember to pay attention to borders near Nevada and Colorado and turn off the water in Arizona or Texas. I think that may require the waterworld DLC but maybe it was in the concurrent Costner patch?
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unwantedplatypus posted:So I'm doing a US run where I'm trying to avoid the Water Wars. Going Gore -> Romney -> Trump -> Newsom. Managed to get "Trump sides with Business" and "Industrial Capital ascendant" GOP faction events. Enough of Gore's reforms have survived so that I can proc "Green New Deal" with Newsom. I've managed to get re-industrialization going as well as several canal megaprojects, unfortunately almost all of the social reforms were blocked. It seems like no matter what the composition of the Senate I never have enough Dems to get them passed. As a result, the Steelist faction took over the All-Union Congress. I've been save-scumming this repeatedly, but even when I can get them passed "Business Plot 2" procs and overthrows the government, at which point Joe Steele calls for a general strike and the civil war starts. avoiding the water wars? not in dawn of chaos - the timeline just doesn't start soon enough
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unwantedplatypus posted:So I'm doing a US run where I'm trying to avoid the Water Wars. Going Gore -> Romney -> Trump -> Newsom. Managed to get "Trump sides with Business" and "Industrial Capital ascendant" GOP faction events. Enough of Gore's reforms have survived so that I can proc "Green New Deal" with Newsom. I've managed to get re-industrialization going as well as several canal megaprojects, unfortunately almost all of the social reforms were blocked. It seems like no matter what the composition of the Senate I never have enough Dems to get them passed. As a result, the Steelist faction took over the All-Union Congress. I've been save-scumming this repeatedly, but even when I can get them passed "Business Plot 2" procs and overthrows the government, at which point Joe Steele calls for a general strike and the civil war starts.
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Splicer posted:The US Left Wing tooltips are wildly off and they don't actually "want" to pass any of that stuff. There's a few unique leaders with bespoke trees but if you browse overton.pak you'll see the base class is just the Right Wing matrix with some tweaked flavour text. Yeah, I'm pretty sure people decompiled the source code a while back and found that the legislative agenda of the USA is hardcoded for the first 100 years from the start. It doesn't actually matter who is in the government. You could hack the game and fill every chamber with hard-left Marxist accelerationists and they would still pass the exact same laws on the exact same curve up into the Water Wars. The 2020 election is good evidence for this. You've got three candidates who are "supposed" to be able to win there: Get Joe Biden elected, and the USA will support Israel when it kicks off Path to WW3 in 2023. Get Donald Trump elected, and the USA will support Israel when it kicks off Path to WW3 in 2023. Get Bernie Sanders elected, and the USA will support Israel when it kicks off Path to WW3 in 2023. So, the number of Dems in your legislative houses is deceptive when you play that superpower; they will say they support your agenda, they'll run on your agenda, they'll get elected on your agenda, but if it conflicts with the timeline, they will just ignore that and vote hard-right.
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unwantedplatypus posted:So I'm doing a US run where I'm trying to avoid the Water Wars. Going Gore -> Romney -> Trump -> Newsom. Managed to get "Trump sides with Business" and "Industrial Capital ascendant" GOP faction events. Enough of Gore's reforms have survived so that I can proc "Green New Deal" with Newsom. I've managed to get re-industrialization going as well as several canal megaprojects, unfortunately almost all of the social reforms were blocked. It seems like no matter what the composition of the Senate I never have enough Dems to get them passed. As a result, the Steelist faction took over the All-Union Congress. I've been save-scumming this repeatedly, but even when I can get them passed "Business Plot 2" procs and overthrows the government, at which point Joe Steele calls for a general strike and the civil war starts. Good luck friend, the only way I managed to avoid the water wars was going bush>obama>trump>clinton and triggering WW3, depleting most of the H20W belligerents' ressources and population. Good for cheevos, not much else
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I get that it cuts back on micro and that wars aren't really the focus of the game but I really dislike the way the AI just decides on its own fronts. The whole enemy force is inside a tunnel network but every time I assign some troops to clear it out they appear to accept the mission then turn around and start attacking hospitals and schools instead Now due to some kind of pathfinding glitch theyr started digging into graveyards, maybe to get to the tunnels?? I keep having to use cheats to keep my hegemon happy because screw letting this derail my game E just checked and it must be some kinda mission complete bug cause they seem to be earning exp for it every time, now all my troops are insanely highly ranked
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Yeah, I'm pretty sure people decompiled the source code a while back and found that the legislative agenda of the USA is hardcoded for the first 100 years from the start. It doesn't actually matter who is in the government. You could hack the game and fill every chamber with hard-left Marxist accelerationists and they would still pass the exact same laws on the exact same curve up into the Water Wars.
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you can also do that playing as mexico by sending support to the right us factions and ensuring the "exile" outcome, which is easier to do. then you go for the ¡jeb! route
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Communist Thoughts posted:I get that it cuts back on micro and that wars aren't really the focus of the game but I really dislike the way the AI just decides on its own fronts. use more infantry in your army composition
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Danann posted:use more infantry in your army composition The manpower drain will tank your economy too fast, especially if you are using the "app" economy. It might work under FALGSC economy but I don't think you can unlock that before the musk transcendence event chain ends.
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Tunicate posted:This is why you risk the guacamelee and go for Jeb! Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:you can also do that playing as mexico by sending support to the right us factions and ensuring the "exile" outcome, which is easier to do. then you go for the ¡jeb! route Maybe this worked in previous versions but they've definitely patched it out by now. The only way to circumvent the hardcoded legislative agenda is to completely destroy the "United States of America" as a government and rebuild it so that the game does not recognize it as the same discrete entity. You can do this through balkanization (which Jeb! admittedly is good for), civil war, etc. as these create entirely new nations which can conquer the previously-held USA territory and supplant it entirely, but notably not through revolution as this will preserve the country's unique ID in the game data. The one exception is a violent revolution triggering the Burger Night of the Kitchen Knives event, as this is scripted to hard-kill most existing USA politicians and ruling class and replace the country with a prefab "United Socialist States of America" one which has a different ID as it's created separately (presumably because the devs didn't want to bother scripting it to change all these values on the existing country so they just made a new one with the correct values and swapped it out).
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if you can kick off the pre-Secession war between the Sundowner Republic and The Mouse before the Avocado Wars start, then you can get Guacamelee result bonuses which also apply to all the breakaway former-US factions. It’s a brutal and unwinnable war especially that early on, but if you specialize your units into just holding on to territory with a little luck you’ll be in good shape for when Jeb!’s bonuses kick in. Once someone else secedes you can get aid from them even if they’re not willing to join your fight; everyone hates The Mouse.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Maybe this worked in previous versions but they've definitely patched it out by now. The only way to circumvent the hardcoded legislative agenda is to completely destroy the "United States of America" as a government and rebuild it so that the game does not recognize it as the same discrete entity. You can do this through balkanization (which Jeb! admittedly is good for), civil war, etc. as these create entirely new nations which can conquer the previously-held USA territory and supplant it entirely, but notably not through revolution as this will preserve the country's unique ID in the game data. Due to legacy code anything which changes the country's flag icon will actually derail the hardcoded agenda, the workaround is to have the pops in power hardcoded to protect the flag.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:The one exception is a violent revolution triggering the Burger Night of the Kitchen Knives event, as this is scripted to hard-kill most existing USA politicians and ruling class and replace the country with a prefab "United Socialist States of America" one which has a different ID as it's created separately (presumably because the devs didn't want to bother scripting it to change all these values on the existing country so they just made a new one with the correct values and swapped it out). and in typical paradox fashion, they half-assed this and were too lazy to script an event that changes pop interests, so the vast majority of them get really high militancy pretty much instantly despite the fact they went from having no political power to being the ruling strata, and now have better living standards. reactionaries stay reactionary (obviously) but conservatives, "moderates" and liberals also immediately go full reactionary/fascist. i mean what? makes no sense but that's paradox quality for you. if you manage to hold things together long enough then it's possible to (very) slowly raise pop consciousness until they cross a threshold and their militancy instantly drops to zero when they align with your government's ideology. it's really hard but it can be done. you can make things a bit easier if you manage to change your state ideology to turbo-stalinism but even with those bonuses it's no walk in the park still makes no sense you have to force your pops to accept better conditions at gunpoint sullat posted:The manpower drain will tank your economy too fast, especially if you are using the "app" economy. It might work under FALGSC economy but I don't think you can unlock that before the musk transcendence event chain ends. i still love they named the event chain that when ketamine overdose is the most likely outcome, second being brain damage and coma, third being decapitated by an out-of-control cybertruck, and fourth being the extremely rare "most divorced man" outcome which i won't spoil, but the added detail of changing all subsequent mentions to "grimes' ex" when it fires is perfect
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lmao it's 2025 and my uk run is on its third monarch already. this is absurd
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redleader posted:lmao it's 2025 and my uk run is on its third monarch already. this is absurd Really gotta abdicate after you've done your 25 years if you don't roll an incredible trait and your kid has okay stats. If you don't odds are he'll eat it in a hunting "accident" anyway.
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yall are lucky, i somehow got the blood throne chain already. i thought that wasnt supposed to be possible until mid 21st?
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You're supposed to get American birthright citizenship on an heir, do a presidential run and kill your current ruler, which lets you launch the Reform The British Empire event chain
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What are the odds of passing enough health checks to actually limp Biden into a second election cycle?
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Depends on how much adrenochrome you're harvesting. Anything past a second term though and the blood hunts start taking up too many resources and causing too much unrest.
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BrotherJayne posted:What are the odds of passing enough health checks to actually limp Biden into a second election cycle? there's basically no drawbacks to doing everything you can to fail those checks instead; you can just pick the "weekend at biden's" option when he croaks and keep going. it actually helps your popularity and increases the mtth between random negative character events. even if the "ruse discovered!" event fires, there's like a 50% chance whoever finds out won't care, and if not you can always bribe them for so cheap it might as well be free
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Communist Thoughts posted:I get that it cuts back on micro and that wars aren't really the focus of the game but I really dislike the way the AI just decides on its own fronts. So the thing is the tunnels and graves both fit the same criteria because you're not really supposed to do this (did you disable UN tooltips?) So the AI sees "body underground" and doesn't bother to check if it's a fox hole, tunnel network, or just a grave. You might want to turn off "reverence for the dead" for a few in game years, (which will break a historical run, so I inderstand) but then bodies will simply depop when they die instead of acting as points of interest on the map.
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excited for the next batch of historical ideologies to drop
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redleader posted:excited for the next batch of historical ideologies to drop Stratocratic New Venezia run here I go
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I stumbled on a really funny Easter egg, though maybe it’s a bit of a bug? anyways, as the US, if the current US administration has never taken a “criticize Israel” event option, the current president is catholic and one of the holy land crises is firing if you get the option to “give a come to Jesus talk” in the “insult” position you trigger a wild event chain. long story short, the pope called a “crusade” (something about crimes against humanity), I hit the “DEUS VULT!” option because why not at that point and well… king joe the first the established the second kingdom of Jerusalem in 2024, but died before I got a chance to “skip” his heir which has like every negative trait and now the pope is pissed.
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i hope you're not playing with the Power of the Mind dlc on because if so the vatican has a pile of absolutely loving op relics in their archives once psy awakening kicks in. and that's before the espionage bonus they get for already having infiltrated just about every single country by the start of the game so you can expect to see a lot of your leaders dropping like flies. plus they can switch to psychic theocracy for free once that's available, because of course they can. i'm starting to wonder if paradox even knows what game balance is
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https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1768045023566725292 tabbed over to the us and some guy abbreviated to kkk spawned in the intelligence tab i think my simulation broke
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Danann posted:tabbed over to the us and some guy abbreviated to kkk spawned in the intelligence tab iirc some of the name/org data files are super old and were generated with some kind of early AI, so they're not very creative & tbh they can get pretty ridiculous. imagine if poo poo like that had been irl lol
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you have to watch out, if the western players get their hypernormalization modifier too high they basically don't gain any pp and can't switch away from the neoliberal rot economy law
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Cerebral Bore posted:you have to watch out, if the western players get their hypernormalization modifier too high they basically don't gain any pp and can't switch away from the neoliberal rot economy law Yeah, if you don't pay attention you can basically end up with an economy that only produces currency instead of resources and equipment. And most of that currency gets sucked up by a small group of pops that proceed to just horde it. The pacified populous modifier is pretty good tho
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It’s really an egregious noob trap, you can easily wind up with a populace so pacified that you can run your nation fully into the ground before you start getting more than token street demos, so if it’s your first time you don’t even get forced out of your rut by mechanics and are presented with what a written-in default failure state for all of those factions.
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LonsomeSon posted:It’s really an egregious noob trap, you can easily wind up with a populace so pacified that you can run your nation fully into the ground before you start getting more than token street demos, so if it’s your first time you don’t even get forced out of your rut by mechanics and are presented with what a written-in default failure state for all of those factions. you can game out some pretty weird alternate scenarios tho. one run, i got an electoral college win for the republican candidate and a popular win for the democrat. which tbf happened a lot, but check this out: the democrat died of old age 6 months before the election while the republican was already in life inprisonment. and the republican runner-up had dropped out way before that lmao so, the govt was run by like a ~executor~ which sounds badass but its apparently what they had for wills before they were digital. just some beaurocrat pushing stuff around, idk if it made a difference tbh but it spiced up the flavor texts
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Carthag Tuek posted:you can game out some pretty weird alternate scenarios tho. one run, i got an electoral college win for the republican candidate and a popular win for the democrat. which tbf happened a lot, but check this out: the democrat died of old age 6 months before the election while the republican was already in life inprisonment. and the republican runner-up had dropped out way before that lmao An executor is the highest level of cop, you didn't have a cop as VP did you?
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