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I don't really think Starship Troopers is particularly effective at it's goal of being anti-facist satire. I know the whole point is that the Bugs are how we dehumanize people, but it can't get over the fact their society has achieved complete racial and gender equality. A Black Woman becomes the Space Fuhrer to outstanding applause, which is something that would cause revolution in our "enlightened" Liberal-Democracy.
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There's a lot more to it than that.
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galagazombie posted:it can't get over the fact their society has achieved complete racial and gender equality.A Black Woman becomes the Space Fuhrer to outstanding applause, which is something that would cause revolution in our "enlightened" Liberal-Democracy. that's actually part of the point
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galagazombie posted:I don't really think Starship Troopers is particularly effective at it's goal of being anti-facist satire. I know the whole point is that the Bugs are how we dehumanize people, but it can't get over the fact their society has achieved complete racial and gender equality. A Black Woman becomes the Space Fuhrer to outstanding applause, which is something that would cause revolution in our "enlightened" Liberal-Democracy. Adolf, who wasn't even a german,
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StashAugustine posted:The movie is pretty clear that the main character is upper class and it seems pretty capitalistic but in a fascist way where its all war but class war Yeah, his family are some sort of upper class who have gained their wealth outside of federal service. When Johnny finishes school with "ABSOLUTE DULLARD, INSERT DIRECTLY INTO MEATGRINDER" academic scores, his father says "That's it, you're going to Harvard!" lmao
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Skellybones posted:Yeah, his family are some sort of upper class who have gained their wealth outside of federal service. Also during the shower scene someone says they joined up because they had the scores but not the money for Harvard.
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Aug 31, 2019 04:16
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the weird thing is that the movie satirizes the glorification of a military dictatorship with effectively full conscription but the book is basically about troop worship taken to 100. i dont remember if the SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP thing is from the book but i want to say in true liberal style it wasnt actually a law so much that nobody would take you seriously if you didnt have a long career in the military
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Larry Parrish posted:the weird thing is that the movie satirizes the glorification of a military dictatorship with effectively full conscription but the book is basically about troop worship taken to 100. i dont remember if the SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP thing is from the book but i want to say in true liberal style it wasnt actually a law so much that nobody would take you seriously if you didnt have a long career in the military It was definitely a thing though theres a passimg mention that forms of civil service that arent strictly military count
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Aug 31, 2019 05:36
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Heinlein fellating are troops gleefully and forever.
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Aug 31, 2019 18:19
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galagazombie posted:I don't really think Starship Troopers is particularly effective at it's goal of being anti-facist satire. I know the whole point is that the Bugs are how we dehumanize people, but it can't get over the fact their society has achieved complete racial and gender equality. A Black Woman becomes the Space Fuhrer to outstanding applause, which is something that would cause revolution in our "enlightened" Liberal-Democracy. is this “hire more women guards” in post form?
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Aug 31, 2019 18:41
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Vomik posted:is this “hire more women guards” in post form? God no. I meant that Fascism has racism and sexism as its central tenets, so it's kinda wonky to have the fascist society you're movie is satirizing to have no racism and no sexism.
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galagazombie posted:God no. I meant that Fascism has racism and sexism as its central tenets, so it's kinda wonky to have the fascist society you're movie is satirizing to have no racism and no sexism. The bugs are the other they're all racist against
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There are plenty of clues that the world has seen previous purges and genocides prior to the moment of the film. The Rico family of Buenos Aires is Anglo and speaks American English, for example. It’s simply a world where fascism has become cemented globally.
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StashAugustine posted:The bugs are the other they're all racist against Oh I know that and that the whole point is dehumanizing others until they're screaming bug monsters. It's just that even when you consciously know that's the point, you're brain still sees all of humanity living without racism. Antifa Turkeesian posted:There are plenty of clues that the world has seen previous purges and genocides prior to the moment of the film. The Rico family of Buenos Aires is Anglo and speaks American English, for example. It’s simply a world where fascism has become cemented globally. I'm pretty sure that's just standard real-world Hollywood racism affecting casting. No one in 1997 hollywood would have greenlit a Blockbuster staring a Latino
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galagazombie posted:I'm pretty sure that's just standard real-world Hollywood racism affecting casting. No one in 1997 hollywood would have greenlit a Blockbuster staring a Latino Andy Garcia in Desparate Measures (1998)? There really aren't many examples, to be fair. Rico being played by John Leguizamo would have been hilarious, though.
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On one hand Vervohoven cast van Diem since he looked like a Nazi propagamda poster, on the other the studio was suggesting Matt Damon so I don't think they'd have cast a Latin American (never mind a Filipino)
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We didn't get a version of Starship Troopers starring John Leguizamo which is just proof that this is hellworld.
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starring Rico brought to life on the silver screen by renowned actor Joey Pants
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Shima Honnou posted:We didn't get a version of Starship Troopers starring John Leguizamo which is just proof that this is hellworld. Not counting TV and shorts Leguizamo was in more than two movies per year 1990-99
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Sep 1, 2019 05:57
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*watching CNN footage of the twin towers burning* goddamn bugs whacked us johnny
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We must meet this threat with our valor, our blood, indeed with our very lives to ensure that human civilization, not insect, dominates this galaxy now and always!
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FFT posted:Antonio Banderas was in some pretty big movies in 96, 98, and 99, though he's Spanish. Andy Garcia's whole career is playing Italians.
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galagazombie posted:I'm pretty sure that's just standard real-world Hollywood racism affecting casting. No one in 1997 hollywood would have greenlit a Blockbuster staring a Latino They picked Buenos Aires as his home on purpose for that very effect though. Like if they just wanted White Dude #6 it could've been just LA.
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do people really not know that argentina already has a majority population of western europeans? and in fact its a large majority of the wealthy argentinians?
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*extremely woke goon deplanes in south america* wow look at all this white-washing by the Delta airlines corporation, unbelievable. where are they hiding all the people who look like speedy gonzalez?
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Vomik posted:do people really not know that argentina already has a majority population of western europeans? and in fact its a large majority of the wealthy argentinians? and some of them are even descended from nazi war criminals!
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motherfuckers built a bavarian village and everything https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/south-america/argentina/articles/la-cumbrecita-argentina-secret-german-village/
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 I read this article a long time ago and I think it's a great discussion of SS Troopers https://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/11/26/starship-troopers-fascism/ quote:What baffled many critics when Starship Troopers was first released, I suspect, was the seamless melding of fascist satire with action-movie heroism. “There’s nothing wrong with good satire — but it’s self-defeatingly stupid to inject it into any story that expects us to care what happens to the characters,” Scott Rosenberg of Salon.com said at the time. But it wouldn’t be fascist satire unless we were supposed to cheer for the characters – regardless of what they did. In a good bit of fascist propaganda, like Triumph of the Will or Starship Troopers, what makes the heroes heroic is the color of their uniform and their ability to channel rage in the service of the Nation. That’s it. Delthalaz has issued a correction as of 18:55 on Sep 1, 2019 |
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Vomik posted:do people really not know that argentina already has a majority population of western europeans? and in fact its a large majority of the wealthy argentinians? Isn't it mostly Spaniard and Italians though? Not exactly places where lots of people look like that. Though I think their Italians are more northern Italy, meh.
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No one brought up the roughnecks cartoon produced by mainframe, the people who brought us beast wars and reboot which was pretty true to the books and the theme song was cut with bits of the Kennedy speech about what you can do for the country...etc. etc.
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They had an alien friend called a skinny, who helped them and the baddies were mostly not the bugs. When I read the book years later, I realized the friendship was probably closer to the role we have right now for Iraqi translators and collaborators. I think there's even a scene in the book where the hero uses a grenade to blow up a skinny church...something like that.
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Denizen_Cons posted:They had an alien friend called a skinny, who helped them and the baddies were mostly not the bugs. When I read the book years later, I realized the friendship was probably closer to the role we have right now for Iraqi translators and collaborators. I think there's even a scene in the book where the hero uses a grenade to blow up a skinny church...something like that. He says in that scene something like "probably not a church, because small arms rounds started hitting my armor" and I laugh at that because rural conservangelicals around here pretty much consider a pistol to be a liturgical tool - even the preachers are strapped.
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Vomik posted:*extremely woke goon deplanes in south america* wow look at all this white-washing by the Delta airlines corporation, unbelievable. where are they hiding all the people who look like speedy gonzalez? ah yes all those argentines who talk like they're on the set of young and the restless
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https://twitter.com/nandorvila/status/1202315056299380737 it was already really hard to get and stay on food stamps when obama was president I can't even begin to imagine what a nightmare it must be now that trump has put his sweaty little hands all over the program.
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poor folks are gonna be food stumped
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Homeless Friend posted:poor folks are gonna be food stumped  seems like a real good plan to have hundreds of thousands of starving citizens right as the aristocracy is showing off all their sweet new yachts on instagram. nothing can go wrong here.
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SNAP benefits are already so loving woeful as it is. More bullshit on top of that makes me want to tear my hair out. loving christ
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Wakko posted:
they’ve already convinced people that getting on welfare even when they qualify is a sign of personal failure, nothing will happen to them
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