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1234567890num
Oct 6, 2017

This scene is one of the reason I love this franchise. It's just so ridiculously awesome :allears:

And as an added bonus, it even has a new puzzle theme! :woop: I really wish the other games also have more than one puzzle music, but alas...

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Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Puzzle Battle: (Club)(Heart)(Diamond)(Spade)

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Is there a link to the epic casino fight that I'm missing?

Polsy
Mar 23, 2007

Kangra posted:

Non-evil Layton's card puzzle is pretty good, though I feel like saying "the spade" is a cheat, since there are many puzzles that rely on that exact sort of phrasing to imply something that exists.

This is probably less weird in Japanese where an equivalent of a/the would be omitted but translating it forces them to pick one or the other.

Discendo Vox posted:

Is there a link to the epic casino fight that I'm missing?

The video starts at the point they leave the storage room and get caught by Bostro - the video link is there.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Puzzles Reinvented



Welcome back! Today we'll wrap up these early DLC puzzles and move onto to more interesting fare.



Like I mentioned before, there's only one hint for each so nothing new to see here.

That said, I was originally confused the first time I saw this by why 10/20/30/40 wasn't the answer. I read it as requiring to get every multiple of 10 upto 100. It's not, and thankfully no one made the same mistake I did.










So, the reason why I dislike this one is honestly very simple. Not that it's difficult or anything, but because you have to make a wild assumption about the "sporty boy" in question based on absolutely nothing.






The retroactive logic is written as if it was a generalised question, and if you approach it as one then it's fine and makes sense.

But it's not. You're explicitly asked about a specific person with no basis to really form an answer in that context. It's incredibly poorly worded and dumb. Fitting that it came up shortly after we got an explanation about how wording is important!

Maybe that's just me, though, and you think it's not a big deal. Like I said, it's not like it's harder or anything. It's just really poorly thought out.





Meanwhile, for this one I have very little to complain about. It's just kind of here, comparatively.










As people noted, the question here specifically states it as "between the hands." It implies that it cannot be a reflex angle...





...But the way to prove that a reflex angle is a bad answer is a bit too involved for the kinds of things we've been asked before. It's true that using that means they're all technically correct because there's no upper bound at that point...



Just a reminder that if you start using advanced mathematics for anything, you're massively overthinking things. It's really just an observational quirk, not a mathematical one.






Now, where were we?


Suspicion







Following their narrow escape, Layton and Luke accompany Future Luke to a restaurant in town.



As you may have noticed, chapter breaks are incredibly nicer and well paced than they were in the previous two games.

More London Streets



Luke, please call me anything but Mr Triton. It's really strange being called that by myself.
It's pretty awkward for me too, but what else am I supposed to call you?
I don't see why you can't both be called Luke.



I'm not too keen on "Little Luke", but it's better than all this confusion.
You're the boss, Professor. It's a pleasure to make your acquaintance, Little Luke!
Oh no, the pleasure is all mine, Big Luke!
Heh heh. How, where were we? Ah yes. There was something I needed to check up on.



Ah, yeah, we briefly checked that place out once before!

The one near the arcade's southern exit?
That's the one. We'll head there first. A friend of mine is waiting for us.



Minor aside, after the events in the Gilded 7, the fountain here is now turned off. This temporarily makes the hidden puzzle unobtainable. It'll be available back here again later if you miss it before, so it doesn't get added to Beasley's stuff after chapter 2.



More relevant here, Ward's still gone from here and there's someone new to talk to!




S-sorry, sir. I didn't think a simple hello would scare you so much.
I was lost in thought and didn't see you coming. Anyway, I have things to do. Goodbye.



What's the matter, Professor?
Look at the ground, Luke.



Wet footprints... But it hasn't rained since we got here.
How come his shoes are wet?
I haven't the faintest idea.

How curious, but not curious enough to be added as a mystery.



Before we go back to the restaurant, we'll be taking a diversion to the hospital real quicklike.



Because now we can get a puzzle off the Laytonmobile. Yeah, this one is available for a very, very long time but this is the most convenient time to do it.




Poor thing. The tyres are wonky and half its body's covered in moss.
No wonder it wouldn't start. It's been neglected for ages.
And I took such good care of it back in our own time, too. What a shame...
Taking the Laytonmobile for a tune-up will be the first thing I do when we get back to our time.
But while we're on the subject of automobiles, have you ever heard this one, Luke?

Possibly, but we'll solve this later.



We've got it picked up now, so we'll go all the way back.




I know. We walked through here earlier.
Oh right. Of course you did. You mentioned that before, didn't you?
Yeah... Hey, you know, there's something I've been wondering about.
What's on your mind?



And not only that - it could improve people's lives!
Yes, it would certainly have the potential to do that.
But even though this time machine could do so much for people, you want to stop it from being made?
Picture this scenario. Imagine there's this bully who's always giving you trouble.
Go on.
Now, let's say you had that time machine we've been talking about.



Of course not! That'd be cruel.
Of course you wouldn't, but that's because you've got a good heart.



Cor... I never thought of it like that. We've got to stop that machine from being built!

Little Luke is ostensibly 13 years old(ish) here. It's really weird that he's still being written as if he was a small child with that in mind...



Regardless, before we head into the arcade, we do have someone here to talk to. She does look a bit familiar, even!




Belle, my name is Luke. With an L!
Oh, what's in a name, anyway? All that matters is the loooove we share, Flukey.
Don't you feel lucky to have met your soulmate so early in life? I know I do!
Listen, Belle. I think maybe you've got-
Big dreams for our future? I certainly do. How if only I could sort out this house plan...

That sounds like a "you" problem, honestly. We don't have anything else to do with that one.



So, back into the arcade we go then. This time from this side, working out way around thataway.



Ohey, Dupree is back. Let's see what he has to say now.




Wow! That's in the papers already?



When the casino security staff caught them red-handed, the place turned into the Wild West!
What?! But that's not how it happened at all!
Whoa now! Don't shoot the messenger! I'm just telling you what the paper says.
Well, the paper's wrong!
Oh yeah? How do you know you're not the one who's wrong?

Well, aside from being there at the time...



I hate to say this, but I think the Family controls the press here. The papers print what they're told to.

Dupree sticks around this time, but he doesn't have anything else to say really. Off we go, then...



Is this the place you had in mind, Big Luke?
Yes, this is the one. Let's head in.



We can in a second, but first there is still a thug here. He probably wasn't at the Casino, so he might have something interesting to say.



Wow. You look terrible! What happened to you?
Yeah, I'm in a right state to be honest with you. Bostro just came by with all guns blazin'...
Oh dear. That's awful.
You're tellin' me. He kept bangin' on about some brat who'd got into the casino.
That brat wouldn't happen to be you, would it?
M-me? Oh no, I wouldn't dream of going to an awful place like that.



And I really ain't in no shape for teachin' right now, as you can see.
Uggggh... I just don't get that Bostro. He's always losin' his rag for no reason.

Okay, NOW we can head on in to the restaurant.

Searching for Clues



Yes! He's the one who brought us your letter!



We'll talk to Shipley in but a brief moment, then. First, I'm sure Paillard has something new to say as well.



If you're looking for the best home-cooked meal in London, you've come to the right place!
Fantastic! What do you recommend?
I'm glad you asked! There's nothing I like better than an enthusiastic customer!



What kind of Englishman could say no to that, eh?
Not me, that's for sure. I love fish and chips!
And if you fancy something warming on a cold day, I've got you covered.
My lamb stew with crispy potatoes will have you licking your chops... and the lamb's too! Har har!



Don't get carried away now, Luke. The food sounds wonderful, but we didn't come here to eat, did we?
Oh... That's right. I'm sorry sir, but we have business to attend to. I'll order something later, though!
Har har! Of course, little fella. You have a good think about which dish suits you.

Poor Luke just wants to eat everything. Right place, but wrong time...

Ah well, let's see what Shipley's got for us.




Not at all. I just got here a minute ago myself.
You've all met before, but I don't think you were properly introduced.
This is my good friend, Shipley.



Pleased to meet you, Shipley.
Likewise, Professor. Sorry I had to be so brief with ya when we last met.
Luke here told me I shouldn't share any details until he had the chance to speak to ya himself.
Don't give it another thought. Luke needed to test us before sharing the details of his plan.



Certainly did, Luke. That filthy scumbag Layton-
Er, apologies, Professor. I'm talking about the evil Layton, of course.
The professor is aware of the situation. Do continue.





He's got them working like slaves on something or other.
So the scientists are in the Towering Pagoda... That's going to make things very difficult.
I heard another peculiar rumour while I was about town.
Yes?



What?!
Bill Hawks...



It's been 10 years now...



We won't know until we check the facts for ourselves.
Big Luke, you seemed apprehensive at the mention of the Towering Pagoda.



To complicate matters, all of Chinatown is under Family control.
Which means it'll be difficult just to get within walking distance.
Be that as it may, we need to uncover the truth.
Can you guide us safely to the pagoda?



Why don't we split up for a bit and I'll see if I can secure us a safe route there?



Very well.
Good. Now I need to get moving. Be careful out there.
Crikey, he didn't half leave in a hurry.



Let's see... Yer best bet is to head back up Flatstone Street.
As ya head north towards the casino, there's a small set of stairs on the right.
Do ya know the ones I mean?
Ah, yes. How that you mention it, I do recall passing by an area that fits that description.



From there, just follow that path and it'll take ya straight into Chinatown.
You're not coming with us, Shipley?



Very well. Thank you for your assistance, Shipley. Come, Luke. We mustn't tarry here.
Be careful out there! If ya run into any trouble, ya can always find me here.

As we head on back to Flatstone Street yet again, we'll take a slightly different route around the hotel.

More London Streets



There's someone new out front, but we'll take to that thug first. Left-to-right like normal.



Why the long face, sir?
Bostro just gave me an earful for loafin' on the job. A cardboard cut-out could do better, he said.
Some leader, eh? I re- Hey! Why am I spillin' Family secrets to you?
Erm... I'm not sure.
Oooh! Think you're brainy, gettin' me to fess up and tell the truth, do you?
You won't look so clever when my puzzle stumps you, short stuff! Spot the liar!

I, uh... but what if...



Oh, okay, that's fine.

But what about the other person here? The new one?




Not bad, I suppose...
Days like this always put me in a biscuit-baking mood.
The thing is, I haven't been able to enjoy any of them 'cause of this problem I'm having.
Would you mind helping me with my conundrum? I'll give you some biscuits for your trouble!
Free biscuits?! Well, who am I to refuse someone in need?

Luke has clearly selfish intent here, so we'll... leave this be for now.



So, back on Flatstone Street we'll just head on up towards te casino again. That's where the stairs were, of course, but...


Hatstory

Silence



Remember that woman we saw briefly the last time we came here? Yeah, same thing again.



Erm...



But unlike last time, the professor doesn't just stand around in stunned silence. This time, he runs after this random woman on the street.

Put that way, this sounds incredibly bad.





But she's already gone disappeared from view entirely.



For a brief moment, Layton looks at his reflection in the window of a hat shop...



And we get another flashback to his past.



I didn't really mention it before, but I adore how much of a giant dork Layton looks here.









...Yes, his hat has a backstory. It's not much of one, but it's still one.






Thank you.





Much like during the duel at the end of Pandora's Box, it seems like we'll get a chance to finally see Layton not wearing a hat, but...



The camera cuts away immediately. One day...





The hat does not go with this outfit at all. It's so mismatched. :allears:


A true gentleman? Hmm...





Well, she's not wrong.



























End

More London Streets



Did you see that, Professor? That was the same woman we saw earlier, wasn't it?
I... I suppose it was.
You seem distracted, Professor. Are you all right?
What's that? Oh, I'm fine, Luke. Absolutely fine.





Perhaps that's what happened when the prime minister was abducted 10 years ago...



If so, then maybe that really was Claire...
No! It defies all logic. Claire can't be here. Not after that day...









Puzzles Reinvented



Not too many puzzles from this stretch of the game either, but that doesn't mean they're unimportant.



1. The car seats six people, so after one hour the first six people arrive at the destination. Once five are dropped off, however, somebody has to drive the car back to pick up everyone else.

2. It takes two hours to drop off the first five people and drive back to get another load of passengers.

There are six people still waiting, so the driver will load up as many as possible before heading back...




It's super minor, but the US version names this puzzle "Our Dream House" which is a way better name.



1. The plot is shaped like a square with two of its corners cut off. Keep this in mind and think about what kind of shapes you can make four of.

2. Four rooms in the same shape will solve this puzzle. However, they don't all have to be the same size!

Did you perhaps make four trapezoids and wonder why you failed? Remember, to truly be considered the same shape, the proportions of all the rooms need to be equivalent.






1. Drawing a diagram is the quickest way of working this one out.

2. Try and break the problem down into numbers. If one of the 15 biscuits is eaten, that means 14 are left. Divide those 14 equally between two people, and they get seven each. That's taken one minute so far.

Think about the problem in concrete mathematical terms like this and you should be able to work it out.






1. If someone is telling the truth, what that person is saying must be possible. If someone is lying however...

Lotus Aura fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Mar 18, 2019

AweStriker
Oct 6, 2014

025. It'll take five hours - Trip 1 carries 6 people from A to B. Trip 2 carries 1 person (the driver) from B back to A. Trip 3 carries 6 people from A to B again, but one person is still at A. Trip 4 carries a lone driver from B back to A again, then Trip 5 takes the driver and the lone person back to B. It's possible to redistribute but there's no way to get it done in less... well, not without a self-driving car.

030. The biscuits will be all gone in four minutes; since each person that receives biscuits passes them to two other people we have a powers-of-two situation.

031. Nine-pair kid is the liar; with only 20 cards, 18 of them will match if you have nine pairs, so the last two cards also have to be a pair.

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.
I got beaten to the answers so I'll just say that Claire and Layton are incredibly :3:.

fractalairduct
Sep 26, 2015

I, Giorno Giovanna, have a dream!

The link to "Searching for Clues" is broken, at least for me.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!

fractalairduct posted:

The link to "Searching for Clues" is broken, at least for me.

Huh, yeah so it was. That's odd. It should be fixed now at least.

Tax Refund
Apr 15, 2011

The IRS gave me a refund. I spent it on this SA account. What was I thinking?!
WTF, puzzle W04? That is not how words work. You don't get to claim that the reflex angle (the one that's opposite the angle that most people think of as being "between" two lines) is "between" those two lines. NO. It's one thing to have tricky working, it's another thing entirely to have wording that is the exact opposite of the answer you're looking for. And having a hint that goes "Oh hey, we might have meant the opposite of what you thought we meant" does NOT make that suddenly a fair question.

Yeah, this one got me angry. Words mean something, and if you start abandoning the meaning of words, there's no way to have actual communication. A puzzle that relies on failed communication is a failed puzzle.

025: Each trip can carry five passengers plus the driver, but the driver has to come back. So after round-trip 1 there are five people at the destination. Forward trip 2 gets 11 people there, but you have to go back and make a third trip to get the last one. Two round trips plus one one-way trip = 5 hours.

029: Having trouble with this one, I'll punt, and do it later if I find time.

030: First minute: A eats a biscuit, passes 7 each to B and C.
Second minute: B and C each eat one, pass 3 each to D, E, F and G.
Third minute: D, E, F and G each eat one, pass 1 each to eight people.
Fourth minute: the eight remaining biscuits are eaten.

I also tried an approach that takes three minutes and found it to be impossible, so the shortest time is 4 minutes.


031: Boy B is lying: if he'd matched 9 in a row, the only remaining two cards would have been a pair as well. (Unless he deliberately stopped before the rules of the game allowed him to, but shhh: the puzzle writer forgot that possibility, so so should we.)

Kangra
May 7, 2012

quote:



Anyway what you gonna do about it?

025: 5 trips, so 5 hours. Numbers are those at the start: Six go over(6), two come back(8), six go over(2), two come back(4), four go over(0). And no one has to be alone with the fox.

029: I worked on this for a bit until realizing I was continually working on equal-area pieces (of which I found at least one solution) and don't have the time or energy to go for equal-shape solutions.


e: Got it,



030: 4 minutes. The splitting can be ignored; all that matters is that after every minute, the number of biscuits eaten doubles; thus remaining biscuits go 14,12,8,0. I'm baffled by the use of 'shortest' here unless they mean potential groups where there aren't enough people to always be eating the most biscuits.

031: Probably meant to be B, but poorly worded. He's clearly not lying. If you match 10 pairs, you do, in fact, also match 9 pairs.

Kangra fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Mar 18, 2019

hey girl you up
May 21, 2001

Forum Nice Guy

Dragonatrix posted:

...But the way to prove that a reflex angle is a bad answer is a bit too involved for the kinds of things we've been asked before. It's true that using that means they're all technically correct because there's no upper bound at that point...

Just a reminder that if you start using advanced mathematics for anything, you're massively overthinking things. It's really just an observational quirk, not a mathematical one.

Tax Refund posted:

WTF, puzzle W04? That is not how words work. You don't get to claim that the reflex angle (the one that's opposite the angle that most people think of as being "between" two lines) is "between" those two lines. NO. It's one thing to have tricky working, it's another thing entirely to have wording that is the exact opposite of the answer you're looking for. And having a hint that goes "Oh hey, we might have meant the opposite of what you thought we meant" does NOT make that suddenly a fair question.

Yeah, this one got me angry. Words mean something, and if you start abandoning the meaning of words, there's no way to have actual communication. A puzzle that relies on failed communication is a failed puzzle.
Yeah, my math was a joke - it was an incredibly convoluted approach to the solution only to result in the same thing Tax Refund is saying - if "between" doesn't mean the "traditional" angle, then the question is impossible. Borrowing only part of the language of geometry ("angle" but not "angle between") does not a puzzle make.

An equivalent non-angle question would be saying:

Q: "Three flights leave New York City at the same time. Who lands first: the one to Boston, to Dallas/Fort Worth, or to Los Angeles?"
A: "Los Angeles. Because they all had stops in Paris, St. Petersburg, and Tokyo, none were direct flights. Since they went the long way around the globe, the plane to Boston took the longest, and LA the shortest."

hey girl you up fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Mar 18, 2019

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Judging by the the implications of that flashback, Laytonia sure has a lot more people working on time travel than our own dim little dustball.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Apologies for the sudden break. Things should be back to normal either this week or the next.

But even if not, there'll be at least two updates this week since I have 'em done already.

That includes right now, fortunately!

Tax Refund
Apr 15, 2011

The IRS gave me a refund. I spent it on this SA account. What was I thinking?!
032: Lance C doesn't line up, but I couldn't spot it visually; had to hold up a straight-edged object to the screen to spot it.

033: There can't possibly be less than 5 siblings in this family, obviously. If there are exactly five, then A would be the second child, B the third child, and C the fourth child. For A's statement to be true, B and C would have to be girls. For B's statement to be true, A would have to be a boy and C would have to be a girl. Works so far, but then for C's statement to be true, A and B would have to be boys, a contradiction since for A's statement to be true, B would have to be a girl. So there can't be exactly five siblings, and there must be at least six. Then we can have a birth order (with ? representing a sibling who's not A, B or C) of: ?(M), A(M), ?(F), B(M), C(F), ?(F). This allows for all statements to be true, so the minimum number of siblings in this family is 6 (six).

034: On a calculator's 7-segment display, 5 looks like an S and 0 looks like an O. So 101 x 5 = 505 = SOS.

035: I'm getting lost in this maze of twisty little passages, all different. I'll try this one again a little later.

149: I figured the negative space would show the symbols, but it took me a while to realize that each one should also be rotated 90° to the right in order to read them. Once you see that, though, then it's clear that C is 52.

147: There are sixteen empty squares to fill, so we can reject pieces A, B and C which have sizes 3, 3 and 5 respectively since they can't possibly divide evenly into 16. Even the most casual attempt to use piece D fails immediately, so piece E is the only possible solution.

037: Marking off three squares in all directions from each X makes it obvious that C is the only entrance that leads to a safe path.

153: There are 22 small triangles in the large shape, and the six pieces have size 4, 5, 2, 3, 4 and 6 respectively, which adds up to a total of 24 triangles. Therefore, the size-2 piece is unused, and I don't have to try to place the pieces at all.

fractalairduct
Sep 26, 2015

I, Giorno Giovanna, have a dream!

I don't think this line

quote:

Now clear off or we'll be having more than words with each other.

is meant to be being said by Future Luke?

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Yeah, that should be Chelton instead. Fixed now though, thanks.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

quote:

While Future Luke rune ahead to secure a path into the pagoda, our heroes set out for Chinatown.

Kangra
May 7, 2012

032: C is fairly obvious, and can probably be verified with a straightedge.

033: From A & C, we require six (three younger sisters and three older brothers). None of the other statements contradict this. Birth order is (+=male, o=female) x+, A+, Bo, y+, Co, zo.

034: Clearly he wants you to listen to an Arctic Monkeys song, since if the intent was an SOS it's hard to see why it wouldn't be either more, or less, obvious.

035:
[Orientation of turns is from the POV of the route and treats all junctions as presenting a left/right choice, regardless of angle. Orientiation & labeling of tunnels is as viewed on screen.]
*B' requires a route from the farthest left tunnel, which means C cannot go directly up and out on the far left.
*C' cannot go out the leftmost hole even going around, as that would require B' to either also exit, or block A'.
*If C'-C exits out the middle hole and comes in at the right hole, then A'->A must go left at the first junction. But any routes to A from there connect to either a tunnel that exits the middle hole, the right hole exit, or block C itself.
=Thus C cannot exit.
*No route for B would require the use of the two left-hand tunnels; if B exits, at least one must be on the right.
*If B->B' exits, that blocks the 'upper' route that leads to C. But C->C' cannot go (left, right, left) as that cuts off the only path for A'.
C->C' cannot go (right, left, left, left right) as that also blocks both routes A' can take from the start. That's the only routes C can take, however.
=Therefore B cannot exit.
Answer: A.


037: All paths have to go through the center square. A and B both pass to close to the dog on the far right. D passes too close to the dog on the middle left. So the answer is C.

149: Taking A = 63, I guess 64, but I'm not happy about it.

147: E is the only one that works.

153: Simply by counting triangles, there are 22 spots to fill and 24 in the solution pieces. So the only one isn't used must be the two-triangle one.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
I think as a general rule, I'll just stick to posting updates on the test-poster for the time being. Mostly been doing that anyway, but I already moved most of the previous updates there.



As always remember to thank Baldurk for making that possible!

Tax Refund
Apr 15, 2011

The IRS gave me a refund. I spent it on this SA account. What was I thinking?!
039: A isn't wearing a coat, B is wearing A's coat, and D isn't wearing his own coat, so by elimination, C is the one wearing D's coat. We don't need to figure out the rest of the coats to solve the puzzle, but it's fun so why not: A is now wearing C's "lack of coat", and therefore D must be wearing B's coat.

040: This is basically two equations of four variables: AxB = C+D and A+B = CxD. I assume each tile can only be used once, so A, B, C, and D must be four different digits. A+B and C+D can both be no more than 17, and can't be a prime number unless that prime is a single digit. That's not too large a solution spare to search through. 17 is out since its only factors are 1 and 17, which isn't a digit. 16 can only be reached by addition with 7+9, and 7x9 is 63 which is way too large. 15 can only be digit-factored as 3x5, and 3+5 is 8; 8 could be 1x8 or 2x4, but those sums are 9 and 6, neither of which is 15. 14 can only be factored as 2x7, which adds up to 9, whose factors are 9 and 1, but 9+1 is 10, not 14. 13 is out since its only factors are 1x13. 12 could be factored as 1x12 (no), 2x6, or 3x4. 2+6 is 8, and 8's factors can't sum to 12; 3+4 is 7, which is 7x1, which adds to 8, not 12. 11 is out for the same reasons as 17 and 13. 10 factors to 2x5, which adds to 7; 7x1 is 8, not 10. 9 can only factor to 1x9 since 3x3 is out; 1+9 = 10, whose only factor (2x5) adds to 7, not 9. 8 can factor to 1x8 (sum 9) or 2x4 (sum 6). 9's factors are 1x9 which add to 10, not 8; 6's factors are 3x2 (sum 5) or 1x6 (sum 7), neither of which sums to 8, so 8 is out as well. 7 can only factor to 1x7, which sums to 8, and 8 doesn't have factors which sum to 7. 6 can factor to 2x3 (sum 5) or 1x6 (sum 7); 7's factors (1x7) don't add to 6 so that's out, but 5's factors (1x5) add to 6. So A=2, B=3, C=1 and D=5 would work: 2x3 = 1+5, and 2+3 = 1x5. That's a possible solution. The only *possible* smaller solution would involve the numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4, and there's no way to make that work. So 2x3 = 1+5, and 2+3 = 1x5 is the solution.

041: Took me a bit to figure out that the waiter's rubbing his back signals that he doesn't like carrying too much weight, so he prefers glasses that don't stack quite as efficiently. So that makes glass B the one he hates to carry, because it has the most efficient stacking since you can stack them alternating right-side-up and upside-down. So since the waiter feels compelled to stack them as efficiently as possible, that makes the box heaviest when he carries glass B.

043:

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen
I swear I played this before, but I don't remember a lot of the middle puzzles ever coming up. I certainly recall the beginning ones and the money-gun, though.

39: D's not wearing his, A's not wearing a coat, and B's wearing A's. So it's got to be C.

40: The easiest way to get this through trial-and-error is to note that you physically can't do anything above a result of 10 addition-wise without making it impossible to go the other way. After that, it's really not that hard, because there aren't that many combinations that come out looking remotely sane. You're pretty much going to need 1 x a higher number, so the other one's nearly guaranteed to be 2 x {3, 4, 5}. After that, you can cut it down to 1 + 5 = 3 x 2, and 1 * 5 = 3 + 2 pretty quickly.

41: B's the only one that doesn't have an equal ratio of top to bottom, so that's the one.

43: Since it needs to be a 5x5 square, the right chunk means that the cuts need to be 2 from the bottom on the fifth column, and 3 from the bottom on the fourth column. Since that second note aligns with the already cut part, the rest is pretty easy.

Kangra
May 7, 2012

I actually realized the mistake I'd made, but only with respect to the exit of B'/B, not C. What I did was excluded C'->C from exiting via the left tunnel, and then excluded the left tunnel entirely, forgetting that C->C' can exit out of it. Also, I never did check if A was an actual solution.

I wouldn't call foul on 149, since it's fairly obvious once you see it, but they did kind of cheat by making 8 asymmetrical, and also the holes in 8 & 9 different than the ones in 6.

39:D, because he is mistaken about his coat. Happens all the time with kids.
40:The problem implies that any solution that works will unlock it, and 1+5 = 2x3 or 1x5 = 2+3, so that should work.
41:This one's so badly hinted as to be insoluble. Probably he dislikes the weight, but without knowing the shape of the box, just about any glass could be the one that can fit more in it. Except for A, since any packing of A is less efficient than B. Which means the answer is A, because he has to carry the glasses filled with water.
43:Make the second piece by continuing the 'stairstep' pattern from the left (i.e. one square down at 4 in, then right, then down). But this clearly is not the "best solution". It requires a difficult cut in the center of the board, and leaves a rather large seam when joined. Better, then, to make only two cuts (slicing off the two right 'columns' first, then the one stray square on that piece). The cutting is easier, and more of the original board is complete.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
It's a bit later than I intended, but only by like an hour or so. Getting back into the swing of things being roughly the right time might take a bit. :sweatdrop:

Tax Refund
Apr 15, 2011

The IRS gave me a refund. I spent it on this SA account. What was I thinking?!
044: The only starting point that allows you to follow all those directions is A, so you end up at H.

045: There were 10 people on the upper deck, so there were 35 passengers. But don't forget the conductor and the driver! There were 37 people in total. Unless in Britain the name "conductor" means the person who drives the bus, in which case there would be 36 people.

046: I initially thought of the guy with the book tearing out a page and making an origami heart with it, but I notice the guy holding the roses has the stems wrapped in paper. So I'm going with suitor B hands her the roses, then makes an origami heart out of the paper that had been wrapped around the rose stems.

047: Since they all wore red, white and green, all three wore one each of the three colors. So the men's jackets (both the same) can't be white since two people (which must include at least one man) wore white trousers. Also, since the larger man wore a white hat, his trousers weren't white, so the smaller man and the woman wore white trousers. The woman's jacket was green, so her hat was red. If the men's jackets were both green, then the smaller man would have had a red hat too and had the same combination as the woman. So the men's jackets were red, and the smaller man wore a green hat and white trousers, while the larger man wore a white hat and green trousers.

From left to right:
White hat, red jacket, green trousers
Green hat, red jacket, white trousers
Red hat, green jacket, white trousers


048: 10 CM, ten centimeters, is 0.1 meters, 1/1000th of 100 meters.

Bloody Emissary
Mar 31, 2014

Powawa~n
Leaving a lady in the lurch is extremely ungentlemanly of you, Layton. I expected better. :colbert:

044: Putting the starting point at A turned out to be valid, so there was no need for me to run through more than one point manually. Straight to D, left to E, right to G, then left to H as the last step. Therefore, the clock tower is at H.

045: Twenty-five times point-four is ten, so there are thirty-five passengers on the bus. Adding on the conductor makes a total of thirty-six people on the bus.

046: Uhh, rose petals are kinda heart-shaped? You could also bend two flowers into a heart shape, so I'm going with B.

047: Every member of the group has one red, one white, and one green part of their outfit. The men have the same color jacket, which means they have different trouser colors(otherwise there would only be one color left for the hat, which would result in the same outfit). Therefore, the woman has one of the two pairs of white trousers. Her jacket is green, so her hat must be red. The large man has a white hat, so he can't have white trousers. The other man therefore has the white trousers, so his outfit must be green hat, red jacket, white trousers (otherwise it would be the same as the woman's). This leaves the large man with white hat, red jacket, and green trousers.

048: Toss the right-side matchstick from the second 0 in the bin to get 10 CM.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Layton, c'mon now. You can have thrilling puzzle adventures with two useless tag-alongs just fine.

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen
44: I think A is the only one that leads anywhere, going to H.

45: 25 + another 10 on the top deck (40% of 25) + conductor = 36.

46: I think you can bend the pages of the book into a heart shape, assuming that's a softcover. That's probably it, so A.

47: So we know woman's jacket is green. Larger man has a white hat, which means he can't be one of the two with white trousers. So that means the woman has white trousers, green jacket, red hat. If the smaller man had a green jacket, he'd have to have the same setup as the woman - that can't work, so it has to be white trousers, red jacket, green hat. Larger man has the same colour jacket and a white hat, so he's got red jacket, white hat, green trousers.

48: 10 CM appears to be the answer here, otherwise known as 0.1M.

1234567890num
Oct 6, 2017

I never noticed those little touches about Layton's room. They're very neat :allears:

How old is Flora in the other veesions, anyway? Do we ever get any official age?

Apparently ditching your adopted daughter, leaving her alone is what a gentleman does? The more you know...

Regallion
Nov 11, 2012

How did those people manage to make White knight chronicles????

Regallion fucked around with this message at 09:36 on May 6, 2019

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!

1234567890num posted:

How old is Flora in the other versions, anyway? Do we ever get any official age?

Unfortunately, it's hard to say with any certainty. Very, very few characters have official ages and Flora's not one of them. She's not even referenced in any of Katrielle's stuff (but Alfendi gets a cameo!) so we can't use that to back-reference an age here.

DanielCross
Aug 16, 2013
Yo, whaaaaat

I haven't played the Katrielle game, but I loved Mystery Room. Guess I need to pick it up now!

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Hi, hello, hi.

Posting just to confirm that this is Not Dead Yet. Between being busy with real life things, the Final Fantasy V Fiesta and also just.. not really wanting to do anything LP related for a bit, so I just sorta haven't even bothered with it in a couple months.

No guarantees on when the next update will be, but I will at least TryTM to get it done for Monday at the latest.

Lotus Aura fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jul 2, 2019

The Golux
Feb 18, 2017

Internet Cephalopod



good to hear!

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Whew, knew I could manage this still.



Hopefully it lasts more than 1 update this time... :sweatdrop:

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen
49. B, spelling out LAYTON.

50. The hospital, I suppose?

52. C has to go on top of A, by the first square. The square to the right shows A has to be on top of B, thus the bottom square is B.

I'll edit in 51 once I'm at a computer.

AweStriker
Oct 6, 2014

49. Block B.
50. In all likelihood this place is the hospital.
52. Sheet B.

Argent Cinereus
Feb 25, 2013
49: B

50: I'd assume hospital since they said 'average'.

51: Starting from the beginning and going straight on O squares,
Left
Right
Left
Right
Right
Left
Left
Left
Left
Left
Left
Right



52: C would need to be above A, and because of that A would need to be above B, so B is on the bottom

Kangra
May 7, 2012

Yeah, even having ridden on some of the old-style London double deckers in the US, there was as often as not another person besides the driver, and sometimes there could even be three (one near the stairs, one observing/training the driver, plus driver).

quote:

What's the matter, Luke? Are you scared of travelling through time again?
Yes... I mean, no. As long as I don't have to do it alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-3Yok5D3Aw

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Tax Refund
Apr 15, 2011

The IRS gave me a refund. I spent it on this SA account. What was I thinking?!
049: The blocks spell out LAYT_N, so the correct answer is obviously B, the block that will fill in the missing O.

050: The hospital would have a higher number of injured people (note that it did not say "injuries") and deaths than anywhere else. Because if you're in a hospital, either you work there or else you're injured or sick, and some of the patients will die even with the best doctors.

051:

052: Looking at the upper-left corner, C has to be above A or else that square would be blue. Looking at the square just below it, A has to be above B or else that square would be yellow. So from bottom to top we have B, A, C and the puzzle answer is B.

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