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are you going out of your way to use 5g?
yes i want the latest and greatest
no gently caress you
i'll use whatever the se support
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coke
Jul 12, 2009
it's supposed to be fast, but it seems like a lovely gimmick right now? seriously there seem to be

5g nr (NEW RADIO) sub 6 GHz - terrible enough that they have to add the word 'NEW' to their name because otherwise it's pretty much the same as 4g or just a tiny bit faster if using similar downlink/uplink channel bandwidth
it's also similar to 4g due to using similar frequencies below 6ghz

ok you can bond a bunch of channels or do more carrier aggregation with it but why would you want to go with a less widely supported standard while consuming similar amount of channels and bandwidth for slightly higher speed?

also lol if device makers will spend the big bucks to add a shitload of antenna on their phones when they can't be bothered to ensure existing 4g phones can do every single lte bands



and of course the ultra high bandwidth
5g mmWAVE (millimeter WAVE) - the supposedly 'true' 5g that using 6GHz and beyond, sure you can finally stream your 8K porn on the go but just make sure there's line of sight, not even glass, between your dong and the microcell to avoid frame drops

it also counts on the carriers spending all their money to deploy a microcell on every light pole while they can't dont even want to deploy fiber
and lol @ the PR and marketing that keep on harping "you can now do REMOTE SURGERY ON THE GO"

*still has 100ms ping*
*ambulance goes over a bump and the robot arm guts the patient*



lasty att is already making this into a clusterfuck by
- renaming their existing 4g network with extra channels to 5g e (for evolution) while
- still having a 5g nr network and 5g mmwave, the 5g nr will just be called 5g while 5g mmwave will be 5g+ apparently
- releasing a $70/15GB/month dataplan for their 5g mmwave service that can be burnt through in about 2 minutes at full speed



at the current rate of capitalism 4g seems like the tech we will be stuck with for the next decade or two, or am i missing something?

coke fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Feb 13, 2019

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coke
Jul 12, 2009

Anne Frank Funk posted:

great news, i'll be at mwc in a week or so and i can do a special report on 5g and the foldfones supporting it just for this thread. i'm sure it will be more interesting than the op

yesssss, tia

coke
Jul 12, 2009

MrMoo posted:

The one big gain I see is that the radio can now go beyond single duplex, thus in metropolitan areas you can actually get service when full bars are showing, instead of being dead in NYC which was common for a long time before they installed new towers anyway.

The chipset side is rather interesting, you have a monopoly from Qualcomm apparently on the latest and greatest, and 3-4 year development gap (according to some news articles) with Intel, Samsung, and allegedly Huawei following. Huawei have absolutely zero products but have gone for the sensible just modify LTE chipset approach in order to support the typical China landscape, but the others targeting millimeter wave, because it is so amazeballs, but leads to physically larger devices, which clearly is going to be an issue.

* Everything quoted is "according to some news articles", idk.
the full duplex thing sounds cool and good but i guess we will find out if carriers will think it's worth the money to upgrade towards that one noticeable benefit

and yeah looks like the chipset side is still a shitshow with some manufacturer claiming they are way ahead with no products while others are saying they are trying to push everything towards SDR, which is

quote:

In a pure software-defined radio (SDR) system, the entire radio function runs on a general-propose processor (GPP) and only requires analog-to-digital and digital-to-analog conversions, power amplifiers, and antennas, whereas in typical cases, the system is based upon a programmable dedicated hardware (e.g. ASIC, ASIP, or DSP) and associated control software. Thus, the flexibility offered by a pure SDR improves service life-cycle and cross-platform portability at the cost of lower power and computational efficiency (i.e. ASIC: 1x, DSP: 10x, GPP: 100x).

coke
Jul 12, 2009

coke
Jul 12, 2009
lets hang sometime echinopsis

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

currently experiencing the future in one of Nz’s major towns



check out skinny since they most likely have better coverage of 4g and speed in general since it's just rebranded spark

also :rip: 5g in nz since some people are angry about the suppliers of 5g equipments

coke
Jul 12, 2009

Silver Alicorn posted:

mo g's mo problem's

well gently caress

https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6

coke
Jul 12, 2009

Anne Frank Funk posted:

part one of my very important mwc report

5g saves lives



i’m in hall five section g, coincidence? i think not. everyone is welcome to hit me up, just walk around and shout „yospos” and i’ll fish you out of the crowd.

also missed this earlier, looks like they are going all in with 5g even though there doesn't seem to be much demand over 4g

coke
Jul 12, 2009

quote:

China Mobile's 5G booth at an exhibit in Guangzhou, capital of South China's Guangdong Province in November 2017 Photo: VCG

China Unicom Beijing Tuesday announced the launch of 5G coverage for Tiananmen Square, ahead of the upcoming two sessions, annual meetings of the national legislature and the top political advisory body.

According to the Beijing government's official website, the base stations will provide high-speed internet service to China Media Group's HD livestreaming coverage of the National People's Congress and the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, which will be held in early March.
lol @ the photo

coke
Jul 12, 2009
yeah basically any huge chinese sanctioned company are state backed and you just need to look high enough on their corporate ladder to see how they are connected
also you can see the reaction from the chinese governement itself to judge how deeply connected it is eg. they sentenced the canadian drug smuggler to death thinking it would be some sort of leverage but no one really cared

ah yes supported by NSA

coke
Jul 12, 2009
current 5g status, no one loving knows

quote:

Axios reported Sunday that there was "widespread confusion" inside the Trump administration as well as "mass uncertainty" after the Trump campaign appeared to back the proposal.

"Lots of policy folks were caught off guard," a senior Trump administration official told Axios.

The confusion came after Politico reported Friday that the Trump campaign was supporting the plan to allow the government to control 5G airwaves and lease access to private wireless providers.

“A 5G wholesale market would drive down costs and provide access to millions of Americans who are currently underserved. This is in line with President Trump’s agenda to benefit all Americans, regardless of geography," Kayleigh McEnany, a Trump 2020 campaign spokeswoman, told Politico.
But Axios reported Sunday that the campaign is now walking back its position.

coke
Jul 12, 2009

quote:

At times, the 5G speeds recorded by the Speedtest.net benchmarking test got us the 600-plus megabits per second download speeds Verizon has promised (my peak speed was 634Mbps)," Dolcourt wrote. "Other times, it was closer to 200Mbps, and still other times, the phone professed to be on 5G but acted a lot like 4G. I had a battalion of upload and download tests I was going to try Thursday in downtown Chicago, but it was so hard to keep a 5G connection long enough to run the most basic tests, I had to throw those plans out the window."

who knew higher frequency band is garbage for coverage :shrug:

coke
Jul 12, 2009


lol

coke
Jul 12, 2009

coke
Jul 12, 2009
yeah sounds like a great idea for fixed broadband in the desert because lol if your internet breaks when it rains or get a little bit foggy

coke
Jul 12, 2009
an actual usage example that was given by a lot of 5g pushers is i poo poo you not, mobile surgery

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/5g-surgery-china-robotic-operation-a8732861.html

quote:

A surgeon in China has performed the world's first remote operation using 5G technology, according to local reports.

The doctor in the southeastern province of Fujian used the next-generation network to control robotic arms in a remote location 30 miles away.

First reported by the South China Morning Post, the surgery was made possible by the extremely low latency of 5G.

Latency occurs when data is sent across a network, either via cables or wirelessly through cell towers, to a device or machine. The higher the latency, the longer those messages take to send.

By lowering the latency to near instantaneous, 5G opens up new possibilities for existing technologies like augmented and virtual reality.

"sorry little timmy died because it started raining outside"


the media is eating this poo poo right up without putting in too much thoughts

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coke
Jul 12, 2009

url posted:

i searched this morning.

I read it in an old-timey newspaper, idk if its online, i couldn't find anything (and the search results were grim).

Yes, they were caught - if I remember the details correctly, they had travelled from London to the south coast (Brighton) for the purpose.
(CCTV was relatively commonplace even back then)
welp the thread just took a dark turn

but that's comparable to christchurch shooter doing lower bitrate stream over 4g and the dumb part is that it's literally causing conspiracy theories saying the whole thing is fake or a false flag operation due to ejected bullet casings just disappear on the dark carpet instead of bad video compression over 4g

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