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Lessail posted:job hunting sucks poo poo This OP is a work in progress. My hope is that it will eventually contain decent sources of information and support for anyone out there in the process of looking for a job. If I already had them, I wouldn't be making this thread. The way I expect this thread to differ from most job discussions is to reject the typical conversation that surrounds looking for a job, where everyone and their grandmother Knows How It Is and if you just follow their simple guide, you too will succeed. Let's be honest, most of that is bullshit written by people who don't understand the 'job market' any better than the rest of us. The market is set up to ultimately benefit the organizations, while individual job hunters have little to no ability to impact their chances of being hired beyond persistence and luck in the face of a massively broken system. It's demoralizing, dehumanizing, and really loving annoying. I'll grant that there are minor optimizations that may grant fractions of percentage points benefits, and "Why not do them?", but ultimately this stuff has been screamed in our ears nonstop, much of it contradictory/anecdotal, or part of some self-help guru's profit margin, so I want to keep this thread away from that mind-melting bullshit and instead on keeping our sanity as we try to perform the constantly shifting ritual that summons A Job. If someone wants to ask advice on a specific topic, I'm sure many will have it to give, but nobody should expect anyone to give or apply an exact formula to success. 98% of this system is bullshit we can't affect on an individual level and while it is technically correct to focus on the 2% that we can, it's way too easy to shift from that perspective to beating up on others or yourself for not being the perfect job hunting robot. Don't do that, thanks. I'm sure there are several complications facing many of us looking for work, as well. One thing I'd expect to broadly apply to most of us here on C-SPAM is an intense distaste for most private industries. Finding work when most work involves bowing your head to people you have an active, political hatred for isn't easy. Even if we choose to swallow our pride on that matter, as many of us are broke (or broken) enough to do, I still feel it's something that negatively impacts our ability to stay motivated in finding work. Worse, when I suggested making this thread, many chimed in about how their disability status adds a problem layer as well, despite the federal protections that exist. And let's not forget race, gender, sexual orientation, and other such discrimanates that exist and further trouble matters for many of us. Personal situation can also be a problem. Personally, I am geographically limited in my ability to find a job because I don't have the money to put a downpayment on an apartment in some big-rear end city. I just don't got the money. And don't get me started on how many places seem to entirely disregard out-of-state applications in the first place. I think there are many areas myself and others would like to know more about, but which there is significant confusion surrounding, and again I don't expect anyone to have an answer to. For example, what alternatives to job boards for finding open positions are recommended, when connections aren't an option? I've milked most of my connections for all they're worth (not a lot, apparently) and gotten nowhere, and so I struggle for how I'm supposed to learn of opportunities beyond the known shittiest way to actually find a job, the dreaded job posting. Not that you can't do that, and not that some people don't find jobs that way, but I think it's pretty clear to everyone how damned bad it is. What else is available, though? It feels pretty drat easy to fall into an unemployable hole where you don't have enough quality connections to leverage into a job, the job board alternative sucks poo poo, and getting more/better connections is a catch 22 of being well connected in the first place. Then we have questions about how broadly or narrowly you should focus your job search. I have a pretty broad skill set personally as a result of my education and personal interest in learning new things, but translating this across several potential fields is a doozy, doubly so if I'm needing to go through some kind of ATS system. On the other hand, I haven't gotten any better results when I've specified to only fields where I feel I am most qualified and interested. It seems to be one of those things where it *should matter* but so far no strategy I've found has been successful. Everything is so obfuscated and if there's one skill set I'm l seriously lacking, it's self-branding. That this is a skill anyone would need to have to find a job fills my throat with bile. Lying. A lot of people recommend some form of deception in trying to find a job. Personally, I suck dogshit at lying, and am also generally afraid of being found out. I would also hope I wouldn't need to lie given that I have a Master's degree, but apparently I'm competing against people who have no qualms against making up seven years experience? I'm joking, I don't actually know the rate or level at which people are lying, but I still can't shake the idea that this puts me at some sort of massive disadvantage. Then again, even if I was told "You MUST do this", I'm not sure I could, not for moral reasons but again because I just suck poo poo at it. There are so many other things I could go on and on about, but I feel this is enough to open the discussion. As I said, I'll refine this OP over time to account for the best sources of information available, though I also hope to stay focused on keeping ourselves as sane as can be above all else. Also, if anyone wants to use this thread to publicly set themselves job hunting goals, celebrating when they succeed, feel free. Emmideer has issued a correction as of 03:09 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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A second post in case I need it.
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Feb 19, 2019 23:27
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don't look for a job, look for a grift or a commune maybe join a monastic order
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Feb 19, 2019 23:32
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Claiming Fourth Post.
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Feb 19, 2019 23:35
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job hunting sucks poo poo
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Jon Joe posted:Lying. A lot of people recommend some form of deception in trying to find a job. Personally, I suck dogshit at lying, and am also generally afraid of being found out. I would also hope I wouldn't need to lie given that I have a Master's degree, but apparently I'm competing against people who have no qualms against making up seven years experience? I'm joking, I don't actually know the rate or level at which people are lying, but I still can't shake the idea that this puts me at some sort of massive disadvantage. Then again, even if I was told "You MUST do this", I'm not sure I could, not for moral reasons but again because I just suck poo poo at it. It's more like slightly fudging dates and adding a couple of skills to your resume that you don't technically have but think you could handle easily enough, not just making up seven years of relevant experience wholecloth Like if you have a gap in your employment history, just shuffle some dates around to cover it up because no one checks anyway and that way you don't have to answer stupid loving questions like "well I see you were unemployed here for a while, what happened there?"
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I've been trying to get out of my job recently because I hate it but it pays the bills. I had a few friends who tried to get me in where they worked but that went South as poo poo and I've been in "they say you're going to get a call soon" since November. Right now I've decided to attempt networking and get a job with the account I manage at my warehouse. They've worked with me for almost a year and now that I'm mostly competent and supposedly all like me. One of them came down Thursday and asked if I wanted to send my resume back up with her (I already had sent one over the day before actually) so I guess that's a good sign? Fingers crossed the pay is worth it because it's an hour and 15 minutes away but our lease is up in less than a year so it could work out.
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Feb 19, 2019 23:46
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The last two years of jobs and job hunting has been a crippling nightmare for myself, it sucks and the industry I was in I loved until the moment I got a minute in and realized I was gonna be hosed for years. Anyways, Im an unemployed spreadsheet toucher and organizer.
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Feb 19, 2019 23:51
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I couldn't find work so now I'm starting an anarchist commune, like you do.
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My mental health has significantly deteriorated over the past 6 months or so of job searching. I'm at the point where every day is a panic attack that changes severity depending on how distracted/intoxicated I am.
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Feb 20, 2019 01:29
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Lessail posted:job hunting sucks poo poo
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T-man posted:I couldn't find work so now I'm starting an anarchist commune, like you do. wheres this at im joining
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Feb 20, 2019 03:34
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i already hated job hunting, but my contempt really shot through the roof when i learned companies will use algorithms that automatically discard applications because they don't use X or Y buzzword, before a single human being ever lays eyes on it fuckers made me write the drat thing, and more. at least read it only job i applied to that actually treated me like a human being was at a union. go figure.
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take a look at whatever local governments are in your area for jobs they all have very clear job descriptions, lists of what they're hiring for, how to apply, etc, and hire for tons of different kinds of positions if the government is big enough they probably also have hiring rules that prevent them from just hiring whoever they happen to know also you can probably be in a union, and you probably won't have to work more than 40 hours a week e: based on where I live now, these local governments have easily accessible job listings: -city -county -school districts (there's more than one in the area) -transit agency -hospital district -community college district Badger of Basra has issued a correction as of 05:01 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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Feb 20, 2019 04:43
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hello from the unliberated Socialist Republic of Québec. our government provides a website where you can look for jobs per city/per field etc. basically a nationalised Monster or Jobboom. it owns. also i've been prole'ing it up for a long time so if anyone would like some ill-advising i can proffer.
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Feb 20, 2019 06:02
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Working as a machine stamper/fabricator in america is risky, because you have to join a union, and if you don't want to you get fired. I am not anti-union in any way but theres like 5 union guys who just collect the dues and by houses. still though making 35 an hour just stamping dies all die isn't bad. i might as well go to church and tilth 10% than be in a union is what im getting at.
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Feb 20, 2019 06:06
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red sampson posted:Working as a machine stamper/fabricator in america is risky, because you have to join a union, and if you don't want to you get fired. Lol sure
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Minecraft Holmes posted:Lol sure it really is that way in the local iron union workers. you work a job and theres like 3 overseers that do absolutely nothing but leech off you. live in the real world for once, get off your daddys couch
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Feb 20, 2019 06:11
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red sampson posted:it really is that way in the local iron union workers. you work a job and theres like 3 overseers that do absolutely nothing but leech off you. I can't believe that you make $35/hr and you're bitching about your union being worthless parasites
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Feb 20, 2019 06:14
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Minecraft Holmes posted:I can't believe that you make $35/hr and you're bitching about your union being worthless parasites https://kywnewsradio.radio.com/articles/news/ibew-local-98-leader-john-dougherty-pleads-not-guilty-corruption-indictment grow up bitch boy theyll eat you alive
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Feb 20, 2019 06:16
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So you'd think you'd make more without them, is that it?
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Feb 20, 2019 06:17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HA3S_O_yxs
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Minecraft Holmes posted:So you'd think you'd make more without them, is that it? no, its more a question of, you are damned if you do, and youre damned if you dont, unions have a 12% representation in america right now, and if you knew what it was like youd not be so cavaler, but its fine, i talk to jerks like you all the time. because your the business owners son, or daughter or something.
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Feb 20, 2019 06:20
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red sampson posted:no, its more a question of, you are damned if you do, and youre damned if you dont, unions have a 12% representation in america right now, and if you knew what it was like youd not be so cavaler, but its fine, i talk to jerks like you all the time. because your the business owners son, or daughter or something. Lmao I work in construction you dumb gently caress, quit bitching about your union that provides you with literally ~40% better pay than unorganized positions do, you sound ignorant as hell And you know what, if you don't like how your union is being run, attend some meetings - I know your dumb rear end isn't working much more than 40 a week, you're paid overtime because you have a union and you get to vote on that poo poo
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Feb 20, 2019 06:27
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red sampson posted:because your the business owners son, or daughter or something. lmao
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Feb 20, 2019 06:28
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Minecraft Holmes posted:Lmao I work in construction you dumb gently caress, quit bitching about your union that provides you with literally ~40% better pay than unorganized positions do, you sound ignorant as hell hmm yes construction, the mightiest of jobs, so you a foreman, or just a clock stopper?
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Feb 20, 2019 06:28
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see above
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Feb 20, 2019 06:29
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Minecraft Holmes posted:you sound ignorant as hell
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Feb 20, 2019 06:30
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i bet your all butthurt about the teachers striking soon, and all the airports as well. oh no i expect a teacher to watch my kid 8 hours a day making 9 dollars and hour you are those types of people, and you need to learn that no one bows to your demands
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Feb 20, 2019 06:31
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My job is very cool but I also hate it, might post here again soon
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Feb 20, 2019 06:32
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red sampson posted:hmm yes construction, the mightiest of jobs, so you a foreman, or just a clock stopper? Why on earth would I be advocating unionization if I was management Attend a meeting my good bitch, it's with your time and you pay those dues for a reason
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Feb 20, 2019 06:32
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so heres an idea, tell your rich dad uncle whatever, to go gently caress himself with a rusty silver spoon https://www.etsy.com/listing/228995...ASABEgJwrPD_BwE and shove it up your rear end
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Feb 20, 2019 06:33
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red sampson posted:no, its more a question of, you are damned if you do, and youre damned if you dont, unions have a 12% representation in america right now, and if you knew what it was like youd not be so cavaler, but its fine, i talk to jerks like you all the time. because your the business owners son, or daughter or something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymSrDfLhW8&t=96s
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Feb 20, 2019 06:34
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9rrgJXfLns i wanna be the black guy
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Feb 20, 2019 06:35
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its been 5 minutes from the last response, you guys still there? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUPpVgnXY6U
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Feb 20, 2019 06:41
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Anyways, I'm currently looking for a job. I'm also on disability so there are gaps in my resume but I'm just gonna lie. I'm applying for minimum wage jobs so who gives a gently caress if I lie when I can just find another one. Before my disability, searching for a job was soul crushing. That feeling you get when you get an interview but then receive an email saying "Sorry, you weren't a match" multiple times sucks so much. It really eats at your self-worth. I hope to find a job by the end of next month.
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Feb 20, 2019 06:48
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Jeb!
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Feb 20, 2019 06:50
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red sampson posted:it really is that way in the local iron union workers. you work a job and theres like 3 overseers that do absolutely nothing but leech off you. excuse me but i live on my own couch that i bought myself by not paying my union dues but im really loving stupid now because i refused to pay my dues and not get health insurance
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hello friends how is it going in the job search vent- oh my god
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OP one should hunt bosses instead of jobs. Hope this helps!
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