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Lessail posted:job hunting sucks poo poo This OP is a work in progress. My hope is that it will eventually contain decent sources of information and support for anyone out there in the process of looking for a job. If I already had them, I wouldn't be making this thread. The way I expect this thread to differ from most job discussions is to reject the typical conversation that surrounds looking for a job, where everyone and their grandmother Knows How It Is and if you just follow their simple guide, you too will succeed. Let's be honest, most of that is bullshit written by people who don't understand the 'job market' any better than the rest of us. The market is set up to ultimately benefit the organizations, while individual job hunters have little to no ability to impact their chances of being hired beyond persistence and luck in the face of a massively broken system. It's demoralizing, dehumanizing, and really loving annoying. I'll grant that there are minor optimizations that may grant fractions of percentage points benefits, and "Why not do them?", but ultimately this stuff has been screamed in our ears nonstop, much of it contradictory/anecdotal, or part of some self-help guru's profit margin, so I want to keep this thread away from that mind-melting bullshit and instead on keeping our sanity as we try to perform the constantly shifting ritual that summons A Job. If someone wants to ask advice on a specific topic, I'm sure many will have it to give, but nobody should expect anyone to give or apply an exact formula to success. 98% of this system is bullshit we can't affect on an individual level and while it is technically correct to focus on the 2% that we can, it's way too easy to shift from that perspective to beating up on others or yourself for not being the perfect job hunting robot. Don't do that, thanks. I'm sure there are several complications facing many of us looking for work, as well. One thing I'd expect to broadly apply to most of us here on C-SPAM is an intense distaste for most private industries. Finding work when most work involves bowing your head to people you have an active, political hatred for isn't easy. Even if we choose to swallow our pride on that matter, as many of us are broke (or broken) enough to do, I still feel it's something that negatively impacts our ability to stay motivated in finding work. Worse, when I suggested making this thread, many chimed in about how their disability status adds a problem layer as well, despite the federal protections that exist. And let's not forget race, gender, sexual orientation, and other such discrimanates that exist and further trouble matters for many of us. Personal situation can also be a problem. Personally, I am geographically limited in my ability to find a job because I don't have the money to put a downpayment on an apartment in some big-rear end city. I just don't got the money. And don't get me started on how many places seem to entirely disregard out-of-state applications in the first place. I think there are many areas myself and others would like to know more about, but which there is significant confusion surrounding, and again I don't expect anyone to have an answer to. For example, what alternatives to job boards for finding open positions are recommended, when connections aren't an option? I've milked most of my connections for all they're worth (not a lot, apparently) and gotten nowhere, and so I struggle for how I'm supposed to learn of opportunities beyond the known shittiest way to actually find a job, the dreaded job posting. Not that you can't do that, and not that some people don't find jobs that way, but I think it's pretty clear to everyone how damned bad it is. What else is available, though? It feels pretty drat easy to fall into an unemployable hole where you don't have enough quality connections to leverage into a job, the job board alternative sucks poo poo, and getting more/better connections is a catch 22 of being well connected in the first place. Then we have questions about how broadly or narrowly you should focus your job search. I have a pretty broad skill set personally as a result of my education and personal interest in learning new things, but translating this across several potential fields is a doozy, doubly so if I'm needing to go through some kind of ATS system. On the other hand, I haven't gotten any better results when I've specified to only fields where I feel I am most qualified and interested. It seems to be one of those things where it *should matter* but so far no strategy I've found has been successful. Everything is so obfuscated and if there's one skill set I'm l seriously lacking, it's self-branding. That this is a skill anyone would need to have to find a job fills my throat with bile. Lying. A lot of people recommend some form of deception in trying to find a job. Personally, I suck dogshit at lying, and am also generally afraid of being found out. I would also hope I wouldn't need to lie given that I have a Master's degree, but apparently I'm competing against people who have no qualms against making up seven years experience? I'm joking, I don't actually know the rate or level at which people are lying, but I still can't shake the idea that this puts me at some sort of massive disadvantage. Then again, even if I was told "You MUST do this", I'm not sure I could, not for moral reasons but again because I just suck poo poo at it. There are so many other things I could go on and on about, but I feel this is enough to open the discussion. As I said, I'll refine this OP over time to account for the best sources of information available, though I also hope to stay focused on keeping ourselves as sane as can be above all else. Also, if anyone wants to use this thread to publicly set themselves job hunting goals, celebrating when they succeed, feel free. Emmideer has issued a correction as of 03:09 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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A second post in case I need it.
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i say swears online posted:i've been working graveyard shift in the same job i had since i was 18 and paying my way through college. now i have an mba and am $56,000 in debt. i had my one year review tonight and got a twenty cent raise. i haven't been able to hold anything down for long since i graduated in late 2007 and never really got any interviews This physically hurts.
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Zenithe posted:My favourite job hunting experience was turning up to a "job interview" for a bottle shop attendant. I turn up (after weeks of not getting any interviews) and it's some recruitment team for some certificate in hospitality or some poo poo. Then they told me because I have a bachelors degree that I wouldn't be eligible for government support for the training and they couldn't offer me anything. The good old two grift combo. I once knew someone who's job it was to run grifts like that, essentially calling up people job hunting and make it sound like they're getting a job, but then selling them on training instead. edit: commission based pay of course Emmideer has issued a correction as of 20:50 on Feb 23, 2019 |
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