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GreyjoyBastard posted:i wish to protest the erasure of the maldives So do the maldives, but nobody cares and the sea level keeps rising.
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tino posted:The empire rulers play different ethnic/sectarian groups against each other in order to stay on top and in control, Brits were not the only one doing it, both Stalin, French did it, but the Brits do it more skillfully. So all of them were fully responsible for the blood of their hands when they were rulers of the empires. But when they leave, their main goal is to stay in good grace with all former colony countries for maximum trade benefit. Not all empires did this. The Mughal Empire, for example, and in the exact region currently being discussed, explicitly tried to maintain harmony between different ethnic and religious groups. The view of the concept of empire as being inextricably linked to European-style colonialism is inherently Eurocentric.
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PT6A posted:Not all empires did this. The Mughal Empire, for example, and in the exact region currently being discussed, explicitly tried to maintain harmony between different ethnic and religious groups. The view of the concept of empire as being inextricably linked to European-style colonialism is inherently Eurocentric. The way I see it, if you are an "empire" in 18th and 19th century, you have to embrace the breakneck pace of technology advancement to survive, otherwise you would get swallowed due to new technology changing the ballgame so much. These include empires that didn't use colonization to expand, the Manchu Qing Dynasty, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman empire, all use gunpowder to expand from their borders. Mughal's peak was about a century earlier than the gunpowder empires. I think it never made the transition from frudel to a more centralized bureaucracy. A good comparison is the Korean Joseon empire. Both of them had good geographical protection from the land routes and slow down on social reform, and both ended up being colonized by a sea power hegemon. Qing made a serious effort to reform and ultimately collapsed in on itself.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:while i have sympathy for the apparently vaguely pro-independence Muslim population and, you know, the UN assessment that they should be allowed self-determination, I figure the best plausible outcome is some sort of increased-autonomy arrangement for Kashmir within India that cuts popular support for the various insurgent groups off at the knees Yeah, and things like the following don't really help.. https://twitter.com/CallSignONE/status/1102475899130310656
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Flayer posted:Colonialism was bad, that is a pretty much universally accepted fact. Apart from Japan and Korea every country outside of Europe suffered from invading European colonisers Hey, European countries also suffered from invading European colonisers, just look at Ireland or Poland. But also, it's not like colonisers were always exclusively Europeans. Europeans were simply the most recent and successful at it, but you don't need to search long to find examples of conquest and colonization done by non-European cultures too.
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Squalid posted:I haven't actually taken any position on the statements of historical record made by Helsing. I don't really know enough to even have an opinion about development and economics under the Raj. I'm annoyed at the way he has hopelessly confused some kind of morality with dialectical materialism and as a result produced a frankenstein Marxist theology which is of zero analytical or interpretive use to anyone. Most of all I'm probably just offended at what I felt was his implication that I had made an "ethical defense" of the British Empire. Ethics being essentially irrelevant to a materialist or empirical view of history they are something I make a point of avoiding. I don't know if this is your genuine interpretation of what I wrote or just some poorly articulated attempt at an ice burn, but either way lol. Sometimes it is helpful to actually read what the other person writes instead of apparently forming your analysis of their opinions based on their forums avatar. Anyway please excuse me, I need to go to my office and throw out all my history books on World War II. You see quite a few of them make these bizzare references to the historical "evil" of the holocaust which of course means we need to instantly disregard everything they say, because that's definitely a principled and consistent position that you actually believe in and not an insanely stupid double standard you pulled out of your rear end just now. quote:His bizarre grand standing regarding the trivial and uncontroversial point that colonialism is bad is also entirely uninteresting and does little to frame the current crisis at the border. Since you already said that you lack the knowledge to form a proper opinion on this issue I find it remarkable that in the very same post you're trying to lay down authoritative guidelines on what is or is not relevant. just another posted:I take your point, but if the conversation was about antisemitism and neofascism in contemporary Poland (in the same way this conversation is about current events and not the Raj), then you probably wouldn't quibble about putting the Holocaust into a wider historical context. Of course I wouldn't. But my point here is that noting the 'divide and rule' nature of the Raj and the fact that the Raj was entirely predicated around resource extraction and geopolitical maneuvering is the relevant historical context and a statement like "it's not as though history began when the British arrived" seems, if anything, to decontextualize the situation by removing agency from the people who controlled the subcontinent up until the partition happened. This is also why comparing the British Empire with the Nazis can be so polemically useful. The vast majority of native English speakers are reflexive apologists for the British empire, typically without fully realizing it. We've been trained by thousands of hours of film and television and other media to see Britain in a very particular light that superficially acknowledges some British crimes while functionally erasing or seriously downplaying how the empire actually functioned. This is the usefulness of the Nazi example: nobody is likely to be surprised at the thought that if the Nazis ruled a territory in eastern Europe and then were forced to withdraw then there'd likely to be horrific infighting and all kinds of other problems emerging in the territories the Nazis ruled. We are so reflexively inclined to give the British a pass that sometimes a historical analogy is necessary to prompt people to actually think about what colonial rule meant in practice. None of this is meant to erase the role played by locals or to suggest that local ethnic and religious rivalries need to be explained by reference to outside forces. The natural mode of human behaviour is tribal and tribes tend to accumulate long lists of grievances against their neighboring tribes. Nevertheless, any honest examination of the Indian subcontinent has to start with an honest accounting of how the Empire was designed to weaken and not strengthen its subject territories. The alternative is we fall back on the still popular crypto-racist narrative about plucky Brits trying and failing to spread the light of civilization and technology to the savages. By this accounting the British gave India their best shot, gifted it with lovely democratic institutions, and then were forced to leave after the bloodthirsty natives got too uppity. Cause a lot of people still stick with that version of history and it absolutely colours any discussion of this region.
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Anti-imperialism is always noble but bringing up the British empire in a discussion about the potentially catastrophic conflict between India and Pakistan seems about as appropriate as bringing up the treaty of versailles in a discussion about the holocaust.
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Mercrom posted:Anti-imperialism is always noble but bringing up the British empire in a discussion about the potentially catastrophic conflict between India and Pakistan seems about as appropriate as bringing up the treaty of versailles in a discussion about the holocaust. The only way that might arguably be true is if you ignore how the Cold War era imperialism of the Soviet Union and the United States continued to influence the conflict and formed the context under which President Zia-ul-Haq's American and Saudi backed regime pursued development of a nuclear weapons program and Islamicization of state institutions during the 1980s. Besides which, were I to discuss the American civil war in more than cursory detail I would absolutely discuss the status of the 13 colonies prior to independence and then discuss how these experiences lead into the articles of confederation, then the modern constitution, which then set up the conflicts between federal and state power that became the focus of Northern-Southern rivalries. Because history tends to be really important for understanding contemporary conflicts. The only context in which I could see this history as being irrelevant would be people who want this thread to exclusively be about breaking news and really superficial breathless analysis of current events. Frankly we'd be better served going to regular news sites for that stuff. Talking about long term historical context and relating current events back to that context just seems like an inherently more suitable kind of discussion for this format. People need to get over the idea that Something Awful can or should be your primary news source. D&D should be the place you come to talk about the news, not where you come to learn about it.
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I can't tell if this is some sort of parody Air India crew members have to say Jai Hind after every in-flight announcement quote:New Delhi: Upto this point only the captain used to say it after their initial announcement. A quick Google search has every local news site repeating the news, hopefully there will be some clarification tomorrow indicating if it's fake or not.
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Mar 4, 2019 23:08
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Victory to India is the most direct translation but depending on context it can also mean long live India
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1stGear posted:What does Jai Hind mean? Like the equivalent of "God bless America"/the USA chant, it looks like
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1stGear posted:What does Jai Hind mean? It is the equivalent to Pakistan Zindabad.
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Dodoman posted:Victory to India is the most direct translation but depending on context it can also mean long live India The Narrator posted:Like the equivalent of "God bless America"/the USA chant, it looks like Thanks! Dante80 posted:It is the equivalent to Pakistan Zindabad. 
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Mercrom posted:Anti-imperialism is always noble but bringing up the British empire in a discussion about the potentially catastrophic conflict between India and Pakistan There would be no Pakistan (East and West) if not for the British
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svenkatesh posted:There would be no Pakistan (East and West) if not for the British I'm not sure whether I'm glad you're a poster hereabouts now or mad you're diluting my brand as the only Hindu goon 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'm not sure whether I'm glad you're a poster hereabouts now or mad you're diluting my brand as the only Hindu goon like gillibrand, you're destined to be nothing more than a water-downed alternative to the market-leading brand
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A big flaming stink posted:like gillibrand, you're destined to be nothing more than a water-downed alternative to the market-leading brand
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A big flaming stink posted:like gillibrand, you're destined to be nothing more than a water-downed alternative to the market-leading brand  Also Greyjoy I've been picturing you as Cohen so this comes as a shock to me, personally.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'm not sure whether I'm glad you're a poster hereabouts now or mad you're diluting my brand as the only Hindu goon Well, I'm here to further dilute it! (Even though I'm an atheist, I came from a Hindu family  )
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-kashmir-blast/blast-in-indias-jammu-and-kashmir-wounds-at-least-18-police-idUSKCN1QO0LP?il=0 Someone threw a grenade at a bus station in Jammu and wounded 18 people. Edit: 1 dead and 32 wounded now. OhFunny fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Mar 8, 2019 |
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HelloSailorSign posted:
i'm a convert to weird bengali hindu quasi-unitarianism (GOOGLE SRI RAMAKRISHNA, HUG UR PARENTS), so you can keep picturing me as cohen OhFunny posted:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-kashmir-blast/blast-in-indias-jammu-and-kashmir-wounds-at-least-18-police-idUSKCN1QO0LP?il=0 
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Do we have a proper Southasia.jpg thread in GBS? Even South America has one. (I have major gaps in my cultural and geographic knowledge of many regions there.)
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Grouchio posted:Do we have a proper Southasia.jpg thread in GBS? Even South America has one. (I have major gaps in my cultural and geographic knowledge of many regions there.) I hope not. There was an India thread a while ago and it descended into a racist shitshow really quickly.
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Neo_Crimson posted:I hope not. There was an India thread a while ago and it descended into a racist shitshow really quickly. Well if you know a better way to fill in major knowledge gaps about a foreign culture I'd sure like to hear them mister.
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The last time I looked at a pakistan.jpg thread, I saw that: https://mobile.twitter.com/pooja303singh/status/1090957284686159872
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Pakistan vs India: Is your Vestibule gapping? edit: the comments going "no this is totally what they teach in med school: 
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Vagina is roomy
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Cat Mattress posted:The last time I looked at a pakistan.jpg thread, I saw that: I would not consent to treatment from any doctor whose Med School textbook headers were formatted in Comic Sans.
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tino posted:You can't divide the two countries by religions because people don't live physically on two side of an invisible line. There was nothing the British could draw on the map that can satisfy both sides. I'm not as familiar with the larger India example, but I've got Sri Lanka to compare at least. And while there was very little divide and conquer going on there regarding the Tamils and Sinhalese, good GOD the Brits were insanely clueless to the nationalist nightmare bubbling up there. And so were the heavily British educated political class they were mostly ceding the reigns to. While yes it was an insanely tough challenge to make that tension work, I genuinely think the British generally speaking were just astoundingly out of touch with the dangers of these types of issues around that time. The idea that much of it was run by clueless upper class twits really seems pretty valid. Hell even in their own home countries an apartheid state had formed in Northern Ireland and I don't really think London honestly noticed anything was the matter until poo poo started going crazy in the late 60's. The late British Empire was a myopic bumbling old man in a constant state of spouting boy scout slogans and dropping colonies like dinner plates. As if Darth Vader transformed into Mr Magoo Grape fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Mar 8, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/nazir_lord/status/1157146243505594370?s=19 https://twitter.com/FT/status/1157883256911605760?s=19 https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/stat...ingawful.com%2F Some local Kashmiri political leaders have been placed under house arrest too.
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India please stop escalating poo poo every six months.
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Conspiratiorist posted:You'd think Modi would've waited till after the Amarnath Yatra to pull something like this. America is distracted by pain. Also Modi was embarrassed and must save face.
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Is it okay if I ask a few "baby questions" on India in this thread? Unlike China, there doesn't seem to be an official India thread.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...t-idUSKCN1UU0E4 Indian officials have announced the following restrictions will be put in place at midnight local time in Srinagar until further notice: No movement of public. All educational institutions shall remain closed All public meetings or rallies are banned.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is it okay if I ask a few "baby questions" on India in this thread? Unlike China, there doesn't seem to be an official India thread. Yeah just ask. There are a small handful of Indian posters that occasionally pass through (not me). Others of us have studied enough we can at minimum point you in the right direction.
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1158253659416739841 https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1158254061872803840 im a dumb babby american who has been mostly following this through intelcrab while filling the gaps in on wikipedia. I can't tell if this is.... good...??? or if it will start a war with pakistan????
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