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sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Grant has a good breakdown of his opinion of the major commanders and a surprising number of their subordinates in the last chapters of his memoir, and was remarkably even-handed for a dying man who'd been steadily defamed by not a small number of them.

Grant had a funny back-handed compliment for one general, where he said that "he was a fine peacetime general because they need to be harsh to keep all those soldiers who fail at civilian life in line, but ill-suited as a wartime general."

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sullat
Jan 9, 2012

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Franco was pretty good, but his handling of the coup was not very good(which is why there was a civil war in the first place instead of just a plain coup). He had the advantage of much more effective foreign support and a more united faction.

IIRC, the guy in charge of the coup died in a plane crash or something d Franco took charge after the coup had largely failed. It had been discovered and so they launched it before they were entirely ready.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Whig history is still around and is still the worst loving thing. Absolutely the worst. The tech trees of the Civilization games are a bunch of Whiggish bullcrap.

You're saying Liberalism doesn't give you a free technology?

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident

South Africa and Israel conducted a nuclear test in the Indian Ocean in 1979 and we just... covered it up?

Yeah? I mean, the theory is we let the Israelis swipe a bunch of highly enriched uranium at one point. Or at least looked the other way when they did.

sullat has issued a correction as of 23:21 on Jun 7, 2019

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Peanut President posted:

I don't know anything about the actual battles of ww2 (by choice) but is that dogfight between mountains something that even came close to happening?

Certainly not during Midway or Pearl, maybe they're showing a bit of Coral Sea or the assassination of Yamamoto to round things out.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

after spending most of the day touring a city in -1 to -4 C conditions I'm reflecting on how fighting in December of 1941, or even just winter in general, must have completely loving sucked

thank god for ushankas and greatcoats and mittens

Eh, the guys who liquidated their winter gear manufacturers were the bad guys.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Some Guy TT posted:

delayed crosspost but i thought this was really interesting because id heard a lot in 2016 about how universal programs under fdr were bad because they didnt solve racism but never in enough detail to understand the source turns out this really roundabout way of attacking the bernie campaign doesnt actually have much basis when it comes to how these plans were actually developed

the idea that most of the new deal programs were targeted to specific sectors of the economy and then expanded because other parts of the population wanted in on the action is an intriguing one id never heard before but thats probably because they make fdr sound more like a compromiser and less like the great communist satan destroying free enterprise while not actually solving the great depression

You can still see some of the effects of that. The Railroad workers really wanted pensions but didn't want to wait for Social Security to be invented, so the Railroad Retirement Board is a separate social security system only for railroad workers that hasn't been merged with social security administration yet.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Captain_Maclaine posted:

If you want to be more upset than usual, take a look into how badly independence when for the Congo, almost entirely due to Cold War/postcolonial meddling. Country almost immediately slid into civil war as the Belgians and US-back companies fostered a separatists movement in Katanga province because they had greater mineral resources that the West wanted to exploit. The UN sent in peacekeepers, who interpreted their mandate as "protect European assets, do not acknowledge Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba's government as legit," and then when Lumumba accepted a Soviet offer of military assistance (the only card left on the table for him), the CIA engineered a coup by Joseph Mobutu, who turned Lumumba over to the Katangans who murdered him with direct assistance from the Belgian military.

Didn't the Katangans/Belgians assassinate Dag Hammerskjold? Also the UN Mandate was guarding Lumumba in Kinshasa. IIRC he was trying to sneak out of Kinshasa so he could return to his home province, where he wouldn't be dependent on the UN for protection, when *someone* (the CIA) leaked where he was to the Belgians so he could be assassinated.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

etalian posted:

I would also recommend Batavia's Graveyard as a great book which covers both the robber baron structure of the VOC and also explains how a Trumpian guy was able to hijack the existing power structure for the shipwreck survivors.



Well, the captains and the officers all hosed off in the sole lifeboat so he was basically one of the only authorities left.

It is also heavily implied that the only reason the VOC went back was to rescue the gold they were going to use as bribes to the local rulers.

sullat has issued a correction as of 01:00 on Dec 2, 2019

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Alhazred posted:

The belgians were just bad at covering their tracks. Unlike the brits who invented concentration camps and caused famines that killed millions of indians but they literally burned any evidence of it in order to look like they weren't evil assholes.

IIRC in 1914 the Belgians spent a lot of time burning their colonial records before Zegermans captured Brussels.

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sullat
Jan 9, 2012

The Sausages posted:

I know the german scientist thing is from like 5 pages ago but that was fascinating thanks for sharing it. Their presumptions vs. what I know of the Manhattan project are pretty amusing, but among other things this bit had be going WTF:

It's left me wondering a couple of things, 1- could this be linked to push to bomb Dresden? and 2- How the hell would America threaten Germany in the middle of a shooting war? For that matter, how does credible communication between hostile states at war actually take place, and are communications of that nature ever available to public researchers?

The nuclear secrecy blogger did some research on this and he thinks that Graves (the guy in charge of the Manhattan project) sent the message secretly through the embassy in neutral Portugal in some weird and unauthorized attempt to gauge the German reaction.

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