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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Spazmo posted:

A similar dynamic, which I think Fanon lays out in detail In The Wretched of the Earth (I may be thinking of the wrong book), is that the colonizer never allows industry to develop in the colony. You only extract natural resources and send them back to the metropole to be refined or transformed into more complex or finished goods, which you can then sell back to the people living in the colony at absurd markups, in exchange for the wages you paid them to labour in your mines or oil fields or fields or whatever. If you allowed resource extraction, transformation thereof into finished goods and consumption of the goods to all happen within the colony, then they wouldn't have any need for the metropole.

What's interesting is that through this lens we can view the more recent deindustrialization of the United States, Canada, the UK, etc. as a process of colonization of the metropole, which helps explain the increasing degree of repression, surveillance, violence etc. in those countries. But the metaphor gets wobbly here because it would follow that the metropole has followed the real industrial base and moved to China.

Capital figured out the metropole was an anchor on the concept of infinite wealth accumulation. There are better returns to be had by dissolving the concept of empire, with all its infrastructure costs and hangers on, and concentrating wealth in the hands of a few mobile elites. Why bother providing luxury for the common rabble lucky enough to be born in the metropole when you can maximize exploitation everywhere and retreat to your palatial compound?

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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Mantis42 posted:

What about like Canada or Australia? It seems like there could have been an attempt at a proper imperial federation with them and they're Anglo. The US left over a lack of representation in parliament, among other reasons, so why not give the Canadians MPs?

As touched on earlier, the US didn't leave over lack of representation, it left over paying anything ever. The British had just fought a very expensive war on behalf of American colonists (The French and Indian War started over land claims in the Ohio Valley and then expanded into the Seven Year's War - the first European World War) and wanted to levy a few mostly reasonable taxes to pay for it. The American wealthy elite poo poo themselves over the prospect and ginned up a bunch of patriotic idiocy to foment a war of tax avoidance. The US was literally founded as a tax dodge, which explains quite a lot of its current state of affairs.

E: The modern 'movement' that best captures the founding spirit of America is easily the heavily astroturfed 2009 Tea Party campaign

Nix Panicus has issued a correction as of 20:11 on Feb 11, 2022

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Bar Ran Dun posted:

look at the process occurring as manufacturing shifts. finished goods, heavy industry particularly shipbuilding started before.

Imperial Rome had a massive industrial waterfront for bringing in all the raw goods the city needed to survive.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

sullat posted:

I know a lot of people think that America is the center of world history, but IIRC the European theater of the Seven Year's war was mostly because Prussia decided to start swinging its dick around.

Yeah, I'm sure England and France fighting yet again probably would have stayed small and contained and fizzled out on its own otherwise.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Is the Ukraine gently caress up basically the result of trying to invade with heavy equipment over thawing muddy terrain and Russia being completely unequipped to solve the logistical issues arising from that?

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Ok, so we're in 'they're losing because they aren't winning fast enough' territory.

How much of the Ukranian resistance is real and how much is propaganda? Is there some ticking timer for Russia before literally every person in Ukraine is armed with a rocket launcher and victory becomes impossible, or is that all smoke and Russia's only real constraint is Russian political will running out?

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Delta-Wye posted:

i looked up when they launched the ronald reagan and was honestly surprised it was after 2000. it feels like a hilariously outdated platform for any sort of peer conflict, only useful as a mobile airfield for bullying small defenseless countries on the other side of the planet

So a perfect fit for US foreign policy then?

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007


Where are the self assembling quad copters?

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

palindrome posted:

Stage 1 - hypergolic fuel
Stage 2 - hydrolox
Stage 3 - project orion style nuclear pulse propulsion to accelerate to a respectable fraction of c

there, now you can get to alpha centauri (or other nearby system) assuming your biosphere engineering and psychological management skills are able to keep space crews alive and not murderously insane/suicidal for several decades.

e: get on board billionaires

Slow down? Landing? Those are fun engineering projects to pass the time en route. Get on the loving rocket.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Frosted Flake posted:



Early modern bell foundries that made cannon balls on the side were more productive.

What are the units on those production rate numbers? Thousands/month?

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Maximus is letting down the nation

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Buck Wildman posted:

can't you only eject like three times before your spine is too squished from the force of it to continue service or is that bs

Sadly, America's foremost expert on crashing jets died of brain cancer a few years ago

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

While I was in the Navy there was a ship that hit a sandbar leaving port because they were 100% relying on electronic positioning instead of setting a proper watch and verifying things visually, except the techs in charge of the navigation gear hadnt properly calibrated anything in months. The US is absolutely not prepared to lose GPS

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

The question has been put to Frosted Flake a few times, and if I remember right the actual cost of manufacture is something like $500 for a ready to fire modern artillery shell

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

FuzzySlippers posted:

I can see why the MIC has no enthusiasm for artillery. Why go through all the tedious effort to setup artillery and blast away with $500 artillery shells when you can bury your opponents in money via easy peasy $2 million dollar cruise missiles?

The found a place in the middle with $125,000 'smart' shells, that were supposed to be more efficient due to their accuracy. Instead of saturating an area with 250 shells just fire one! That will have the same effect, at least according to the MIC

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Chad Sexington posted:

That was my thought. Thread was clearly creating a fighting humanoid mega robot made of tanks.

And I'll form the head!

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

FuzzySlippers posted:

Russia didn’t militarily defeat Georgia, Georgia collapsed politically like WW2 France. When that happens then invasions are cool and easy. No grinding down cities just show up poof enemy says gently caress it. It’s a victory disease when nations expect that to happen every time.

Ok, but it did almost work a second time though. Ukraine and Russia had worked out a cease fire and neutrality agreement in April 2022, with Russia withdrawing from Kyiv as a good faith assurance, and everything was go for Zelensky to sign and make it official until Boris Johnson promised unlimited support from the west for a total Ukrainian victory and conquest of seceded territories

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Cerebral Bore posted:

almost winning a war is usually not a good thing, tho

Well yeah they failed to account for the perfidious west

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Fish of hemp posted:

And then what? Russia would have just sat on its hands and we would have lived rest of our lives in peace?

Russia very clearly had no real plans to invade and threw together a force at the last minute. You can also look at Russia's relationship with the DPR/LPR to gauge the scope of Russian imperialism. Russia left those guys out to dry for eight years with minimal support beyond some surplus weapons. Ukraine kept up border skirmishes the entire time and Russia was content to look the other way and not raise a fuss because it wasnt looking to foment a war.

You have to stop looking at things through the western lens of Russia just launching unprovoked invasions because theyre evil. There was a coup against a democratically elected president in 2014, and the areas that voted most heavily for the president who was couped decided Ukrainian democracy was dead and left Ukraine. Russia formally annexed Crimea because of its strategic value and intervened to protect the Donbas republics from a civil war with Ukraine. It wasnt a land grab. Nor was 2022 a land grab by the dreaded expansionist Russians. Zelensky flipped from being the peace and reconciliation president (the platform he won on with overwhelming support from eastern Ukraine, who wanted peace and reconciliation with Russia) to belligerence and Europeanism as his polling cratered. It was an attempt to buoy sinking popularity by courting the extremely pro-NATO western half of the country. Russia wasn't happy about the turn to belligerence and invaded over it. Forcing Ukrainian neutrality would have achieved Russia's security goals.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Ironically though, after the Ukraine war Russia will have an experienced veteran army adapted to modern combat and a functional industrial war machine, as well as a mountain of proof the west is decrepit and sanctions are not the superweapon they were hyped as. Interesting things might happen.

Or, more likely, nothing will happen because Russia isn't the endlessly bloodthirsty USA

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

A lot of what happened in 2014 can also be explained by Ukrainian local military forces not particularly wanting to fight a civil war. Crimea exchanged hands with 6 deaths, total, including a guy who had a heart attack at a protest. The Ukrainian military stationed there mostly just surrendered rather than fight their own. The front line territorial defense units in the Donbas also mostly refused to turn on their own people. Kyiv had to get units from elsewhere to deal with the secession, and by the time they got there Russian soldiers had already arrived and set up shop.

It did reinforce to Kyiv that frontline units needed to be ideologically committed though, which is why six years later when Zelensky tried to tell the units still harassing the Donbas republics to knock it off they told the president to go gently caress himself, and that if he persisted then maybe Zelensky was the problem

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Frosted Flake posted:

Yes, which is why continental militaries (everyone other than Britain) used conscription and reserves. Build a tonne of equipment in state arsenals, a sort of Keynesianism, then upon signing for delivery, put it in storage. Conscript every able-bodied man at 18, and then, upon completing their service, put it in the reserve. The actual standing army does not need to be large, a quarter or less of the military you have trained and equipped for mobilization.

It's incredibly practical - but - the two things it runs on, state control of the required industry, which operates at a loss, like the parks service, and a social contract strong enough that the population is not just willing to bear, but often enthusiastic about conscription, aren't possible under neoliberalism. The reason

Britain had a small, professional military is twofold and relates to your point. First, popular support goes as far as a nation's own borders. As soon as people are conscripted to be sent god-knows-where, the public opposes first the conscription, and if that is not abolished, the overseas expeditions. Second, maintaining a (admittedly smaller) force that is kept at high readiness (for worldwide deployment in wars of empire) is incredibly expensive, it requires the empire.

More succinctly, it's never practical to be on a permanent war footing, but countries that are not empires are not permanently at war.

Welcome back FF


Whats the kill count on the Osprey? Surely triple digits by now

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

DancingShade posted:

Don't forget the only way to save democracy is to ban opposition parties and not hold elections.

Russia is isolating its people from all outside news sources and creating an information bubble. To counter this, we will be isolating our people from all outside news sources but in the name of freedom

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

mawarannahr posted:

100% there have been multiple programs proposed in the last decade year to try to stir up a drug problem in China "to avenge the scourge of fentanyl."

The CIA has to be so mad they started a war to regain control over their opium empire and China just manufactured an alternative

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

stephenthinkpad posted:

Drug enforcement is literally the only thing China and the US and sit down and talk and reach some kind of agreement.

When the Taliban outlawed opium production in Afghanistan the global supply of opiates cratered. It was the single largest and most successful anti-drug operation in all of recorded history. And then in a completely unrelated turn of events the US found a pretext to invade Afghanistan the next year, and under US control opium production skyrocketed, far surpassing previous output.

China, meanwhile, met global demand through industrial scale production of fentanyl, invading exactly zero countries in the process.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

FirstnameLastname posted:

it will go great

Service for citizenship probably will. The US Navy has, or at least had a decade ago, a poo poo ton of Filipinos doing service for their citizenship. Since they werent citizens and couldnt get a clearance they generally ended up in the supply department, particularly as cooks. They're informally referred to as the Filipino Mafia, and the galley on the ship I was on was fully controlled by Filipinos. The captain had to eventually come down on them to stop siphoning off supplies for their private lumpia lunches unless they cooked for the crew, and to speak english during working hours because the handful of white and black cooks were otherwise completely excluded. They also had their own complex soap opera going on of favoritism and loving, and the non-Filipino cooks understood they were never getting promoted.

Also they were universally the most psychotic patriots Ive ever met, and insisted on singing the national anthem every day and had an insatiable blood thirst for the foes of America that was wild on a cook

So yeah I think the armed forces could do with a lot more of that

Nix Panicus has issued a correction as of 23:34 on Feb 21, 2024

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

A brief search suggests the program that went directly from resident of the Philippines to US citizen was ended awhile back, but it had already created a strong tradition of Filipinos in the Navy, and if you're already a resident alien in the US you can accelerate the citizenship process through service. So I guess Philippines -> immigrate to the US -> US Navy -> US citizen is the pipeline now

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I thought Filipino galley workers were like Chinese laundry in the RN, and so wasn't a path to citizenship like normal naval ratings?

'Culinary Specialist (CS)' is a normal US Navy rate that anyone can contract for (although *why*) or get placed in. If you enlist undesignated, that is without a rate specified in your contract, (or fail to qualify for your contracted rate) they can and will make you a CS if they need them.

Nix Panicus has issued a correction as of 23:46 on Feb 21, 2024

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1760421686766109104

tons of people going to be wondering why the epic gambling industry powering gdp isn't transforming into more f-35s

Do you think there might be any correlation between economic despair and rising gambling addiction? Asking for my dying empire.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Comrade Merf posted:

Im sure things have improved since then! Ready to take on the reds anytime, anywhere! Hooah!

Woops!

So they're undermanned, can't keep the fancy vehicles up and running, and are constantly being deployed to America's colonial holdings. Yeah they're 100% ready for a war

As an aside, I did house inventory for a murder/suicide while I was in the Navy and that did a number on me. I didn't know the family and the house had been cleaned before my little team arrived, but a quarter of the living room was just missing and you could see where they'd cut out the carpet. We also had to get together a box of clothes and toys for the kids who were off living with grandparents. Its been over a decade and I still think about it sometimes.

I also had two six month deployments with only ten months in between, and half those ten months were spent at sea doing trainings. No suicides, but that span broke a few marriages

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

drilldo squirt posted:

I'm pretty sure they would if they could.

Why would China want to invade Taiwan? They already own it!

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Remember when the surest sign of the Russian's backwardness and inability to make things was their usage of deep legacy stockpiles of still functional equipment?

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I'm dying that they were calling this out in 1997, things have only gotten worse, and the Cold War inventories of legacy aircraft and munitions are almost tapped out now



"Summary. We found no clear link between the cost of either aircraft or weapon system and their performance in Desert Storm. Aircraft total program unit cost does not appear to have been strongly positively or negatively correlated with survivability rates, sortie rates or costs, average daily tonnage per aircraft, or success ratio of unguided-to-guided munition deliveries. No high-cost aircraft demonstrated superior performance in all, or even most, measures, and no low-cost aircraft was generally inferior. On some measures low-cost aircraft performed better than the high-cost ones (such as sortie rate, sortie cost); on some measures, the performance of low- and high-cost aircraft was indistinguishable (such as survivability and participation against targets with successful outcomes)."



:thunk:

I wonder if this would apply to artillery :dumb:

Gonna make a Civ6 mod that gives the stealth fighter the same stats as regular fighter jets with no additional capabilities, but doubles its cost and obsoletes the regular fighter so you can't build it anymore

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Arven posted:

The non- union armorer was also a nepo baby!It hits every beat!

The actual take away from Rust is the dangers of putting poorly trained failkids in charge solely because of their parents clout and then ignoring the complaints of the workers who can see when things are busted.

And the fact that the only lesson learned is going to be 'more cgi guns' is why America will lose WW3

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

sullat posted:

There certainly won't be a nuclear war now since the president has to type out 200 random characters into a tiny phone keyboard in order to fire them off. If we ever get a president who's a master phone poster, well, hold on to your rear end.

Donald the Dove could do it, but he won't.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

The US is a combo party boat and gunboat enforcing the rules based international order for the benefit of the rich guys onboard. If the ship goes down the rich guys can always deploy their smaller yachts as lifeboats, but without the gunboat enforcing the rules nobody is going to let them take over again and they'll have to settle for merely being incredibly wealthy instead of kings of the earth.

I don't think they'll allow it, personally, but I also think they overestimate how much firepower they have left to vent their spite.

Would the Bezos set push the button to end the world if their hegemony was seriously threatened? Absolutely. Is the button hooked up to anything? That's the real question.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Skill issue. The Houthis seem to be holding out

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

dead gay comedy forums posted:

The reactions of these last months of people rambling "but we have the money why we are having difficulty let's use the money!!!", lmao

Political economy explains that industrial power is built and maintained by socio-economic relations and factors. For example, a couple of these are savoir-faire and know-how: they can't be developed outside the action of craft/labor itself, but it can be taught and refined by the workers that are involved in it. Those abilities are essential for the development of industrial excellence and are inalienable - there is simply no way to buy it to transfer or to make somebody else acquire it for others - which is one of the things that make it a bane to capitalism, that it absolutely despises.

If industrial labor is tied into the primary generation of profit of a capitalist economy, then skill is a major issue of class war. It was with neoliberalism that capital simply decided to have a major fit and ditch it for the sake of finance, where skilled labor isn't a problem anymore. By sending it elsewhere, they couldn't realize that they were direct collaborators to the loss of the material economic power of their own society. It's really loving ironic that capitalists become so drat specialized in their role that they can't really be loving bothered to learn that the means of hegemony require that they give up a share of their profits -- and even funnier is seeing the ones that do get to this point think that it doesn't apply for them, lmao

We're gonna make robots and power them with AI. Problem solved, capital wins again

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Elon Musk is gonna make an electric car that transforms into a ship welder, but with one of those Dead Space welders in case it needs to fight

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Willa's forever point is that the only thing separating a dastardly Boomer from a put upon Millennial is opportunity (nobody cares about Xers). If there were any slots to destroy academia left for Millennials they'd be flooding into them. For instance, the DEI grift train is rife with the younger crowd

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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

TeenageArchipelago posted:

It makes sense. shipbuilders, the one thing that an island nation wouldn't want a skilled workforce of

Less of a nation and more of a colony, which is why catering to capitalists is more important than any kind of identity or long term preservation

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