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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
J31 is just a prototype, its been further developed into the J35 and they will only make it for the catapult Chinese carriers. So only complete with the F35BF35C variant I think.

Yes it's interesting they will use the "35" number since all the new Chinese aviation hardware uses the "20" number. You have J20, Y20, WZ20 and upcoming H20.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 11:00 on Apr 23, 2023

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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Cuttlefush posted:

who has called it the J35 exactly?

This Chinese blogger is pretty "official". Thats as official as you are going to get for now. You can turn on the subtitle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G16VMDuXXvA

Also he mentioned the new Korea 5th gen mini F35 in the video. Yeah they all look pretty much similar. And they all have the ugly gray -blue-green stealth paint. You can't have cool paint jobs anymore because no fun is allowed. You will never see me getting a F35 diecast toy for my kid.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 11:06 on Apr 23, 2023

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Heh China is making this to supply the SCS islands.

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1621153971170873345?t=u2KfaHlrhsF5_RuIplazOA&s=19

Its not as big as Emusk Howard Hughes's Spruse Goose and its not military. Otherwise they could have given it a "20" model name.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I read about the F35 info being hacked a long time ago on an espionage subjected book, it happened in the Hu Jintao era and probably a few years before the FC31 prototype started.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/hacked-how-china-stole-us-technology-its-j-20-stealth-fighter-66231


There are a few articles on it and they said the Snowden docs confirmed it. I know it was common knowledge because I read about it before Snowden.

The funny thing is it was Lockheed Martin (subcontractor) that got hacked and LM turned around and started a cyber security consultant business without breaking a sweat.

And the hacking continued because this article I linked talked about new hacks, also not related to Honeywell "volunteer leak"?

Also I don't think the Chinese care about the stealth design principle that much because they have their own supercomputer to calculate stealth body shape but getting the details of the F35 body will help them figure out the radar signature of F35.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 01:15 on Apr 24, 2023

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
A lot of drones use that slingshot to launch. I think a big one can work. I think the Marine should just shut up and ask for a electronic upgrade of the harrier.

Harrier is cool because Arnold used it to push cop car and kill brown people in True Lies.

F35 is not cool because Bruce Willis killed one with a truck in Die Hard.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

cat botherer posted:

loving black powder? My dad made that himself when he was a kid (different times). It's not hard.

Pretty sure the guy who shot Abe made it himself too.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

KomradeX posted:

Just imagine what the American Great Leap Forward would look like?

Sounds like 200k new DIY youtubers.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
SKorea prez Yoon just come to US to kiss Biden's butt, just outsource the black powder production to the South Koreans.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/StarboySAR/status/1650917659834458114

terf island going to have billions of gdp spending on a visibly rusting navy by the last half of the century

I had to search for the news myself because this ship is only 5 year old.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/23/3bn-warship-hms-prince-of-wales-stripped-for-parts/

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Mister Bates posted:

a significant portion of the other British aircraft carrier's nominal fighter complement are literally Americans, as in, American aviators flying American aircraft and operating under American command, which is to say that if and when the ship does anything at all it is only because the US has deigned to allow them to

functionally it's just an American ship the Americans don't have to pay for, and this is the 'pride' of the once-mighty Royal Navy, lmao

More MIC business for the AUKUS.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Is it a "Yes Minister" type comedy? The Brits are only good for making political satire.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I want to watch a show based on Victoria Nuland, much more exciting.

(Played by Kevin Spacey)

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Why nationalize the shipyard when you can just nationalize the Russian oligarch properties?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
My favorite Macros story

https://twitter.com/SaltAndReality/status/1525305078395322368?s=20

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
That's how you do end zone victory dance, bring out a Picaso and show it off on live stream.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
The logic is really simple, the US doesn't want to spend money on program that provide proof of concept you can make a mark 3 -mark 5 carrier killer missile at 1/10000th the cost of a carrier.

They also don't want to spend the R&D into making S400 like AA tech that can shoot down a F35.

So the result is the Chinese hold their cards extremely cloee to their chest (fast anti ship missile DF16 DF26 and hyeprsonic versions DF17 and DF27), the pentagon has no idea whether they work and kind of have to assume they work because one hit on a US carrier wil kill more US sailers than the Bin laden did to wall street people in the Twin Tower buildings.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I am not a military nerd. As far as I know, detecting where the CSG is still the hardest part when war starts.

When poo poo gets real, China will launch a bunch of low orbit satelite to help detect the CSG in the CSC. I think a US carrier will dance around east of pholippines but won't get too close to Taiwan because China should have more way to detect enemy ships near coast.

I have no idea how much coverage can a endurence drone cover on the sea. China just sent a drone BT001 to circle Taiwan island recently. It has 3 sets of propellers and pretty long range. China probably still has a few years to go in this area.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Cao Ni Ma posted:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/03/us-air-force-retreats-from-taiwan-as-china-builds/

Gotta love when even UK right wing rags state the obvious about the sorry state of the US military branches

Is PLA really adding "hundreds of new planes" every year? Or that's just MIC paid writers' template?

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 21:41 on May 3, 2023

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Should have saved this test for Blinken's China visit.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Just copy the type 055, easy.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
A patriot missile is 4 mil a shot and you always shoot two. So it's about the same cost. Maybe they couldn't get the railgun to work at all?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
They even got a guy named James Kirk to be the captain of the Zumwalt. It's like yeah that sounds like a Musk thing to do.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
US still has a strategic oil reserve. Biden just used it up to push down the gas price.....they are waiting for the gas price to go down so they can refill it.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Correct me if I am wrong, but the version of the story I remember why US hypersonic missile fail behind goes like this:

1 there are too many competing programs sponsored by the Army, Navy, AF whatever, half of them are probably handouts to their perspective MIC buddies.

2 US and Russia were in few missile treaties which the US quit one by one in recent year. However, the hypersonic programs from the start were designed to go around the treaties, I believe launching from airplane was one of the checklist item that can go around the treaties. So in other words, the US military drew a pie in the sky that was way too ambitious from the start. Whereas the Chinese, were and still are run by engineers, they let the science R&D programs naturally develop at their own directions and take advantage of the new RgD results.

BTW, during Trump era they tried a few times to get China into the missile treaties and got nowhere.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Weka posted:

Ok hear me out. What about a combustion engine that runs on propellant that drives a generator that fires a rail gun?

Some of the Honda hybrid cars use a gas engine to generate electricity to power an electric motor for efficiency and noise reason. Also Honda just suck at EV.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
2500km is longer reach than F35's range?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
New Leopard 2 is shaping up to be the longest indiegogo delay.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
The instagram friendly tattooed barista of MANPADS.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Iriscoral posted:


Meanwhile, the PLAN names its surface combatants after provinces (carriers) and cities (destroyers) respectively. Fun fact; if the city name gets chosen by the PLAN, the city government actually has to do some public outreach program for the PLAN wrt to the ship itself.

The cities and the provinces take care of the employment of the discharged sailors.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Bar Ran Dun posted:

for a sense of comparison…

MSC ordered five containerships back in 2019 for 762 million. a new normal sized containership is 150-250 million depending on specifics built in an Asian yard. A recent big Evergreen ship 24,000 teu plus built in China half a billion to 550 million.

Three new Matson vessels (the aloha class ships) 4,000 teu each will be a billion together.

I guess what I’m saying is it’s about 50% to 100% more at a US yard.

Only 50-100% more is probably the lowest cost difference between anything produced in the US vs China.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Follow up of a prev post that said US closed too many ship yards.

https://twitter.com/sharp_writing/status/1661297184967634944?t=tzk8wIHocvuHtTgTy7CCpQ&s=19

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Do these closed ship yards include Brooklyn Navy yard? Its got a pretty cool micro brew and a hip bagel shop. Worth it IMO.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Some choice words from a MIC preparedness talk (the rest of the talk is not as interesting TBH with you)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMctZ6EcWQw&t=288s

"This is not an accident....we planned it, this is deliberately done by the government. We decided we were not going to need the industrial base....ship yard, arsonal....You [MIC] guys figure it out (how to deindustrialize)"


He also reference a nyt article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/us/politics/military-weapons-ukraine-war.html

nyt posted:


From Rockets to Ball Bearings, Pentagon Struggles to Feed War Machine
The flow of arms to Ukraine has exposed a worrisome lack of production capacity in the United States that has its roots in the end of the Cold War.

WASHINGTON — The Navy admiral had a blunt message for the military contractors building precision-guided missiles for his warships, submarines and planes at a moment when the United States is dispatching arms to Ukraine and preparing for the possibility of conflict with China.

“Look at me. I am not forgiving the fact you’re not delivering the ordnance we need. OK?” Adm. Daryl Caudle, who is in charge of delivering weapons to most of the Navy’s East Coast-based fleet, warned contractors during an industry gathering in January. “We’re talking about war-fighting, national security, and going against a competitor here and a potential adversary that is like nothing we’ve ever seen. And we can’t dillydally around with these deliveries.”

His open frustration reflects a problem that has become worryingly apparent as the Pentagon dispatches its own stocks of weapons to help Ukraine hold off Russia and Washington warily watches for signs that China might provoke a new conflict by invading Taiwan: The United States lacks the capacity to produce the arms that the nation and its allies need at a time of heightened superpower tensions.

Industry consolidation, depleted manufacturing lines and supply chain issues have combined to constrain the production of basic ammunition like artillery shells while also prompting concern about building adequate reserves of more sophisticated weapons including missiles, air defense systems and counter-artillery radar.

The Pentagon, the White House, Congress and military contractors are all taking steps to address the issues.

Procurement budgets are growing. The military is offering suppliers multiyear contracts to encourage companies to invest more in their manufacturing capacity and is dispatching teams to help solve supply bottlenecks. More generally, the Pentagon is abandoning some of the cost-cutting changes embraced after the end of the Cold War, including corporate-style just-in-time delivery systems and a drive to shrink the industry.

“We are buying to the limits of the industrial base even as we are expanding those limits,” Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks said this month at a briefing on the Biden administration’s 2024 budget plan.

But those changes are likely to take time to have an effect, leaving the military watching its stocks of some key weapons dwindle.

In the first 10 months after Russia invaded Ukraine, prompting Washington to approve $33 billion in military aid so far, the United States sent Ukraine so many Stinger missiles from its own stocks that it would take 13 years’ worth of production at recent capacity levels to replace them. It has sent so many Javelin missiles that it would take five years at last year’s rates to replace them, according to Raytheon, the company that helps make the missile systems.

If a large-scale war broke out with China, within about one week the United States would run out of so-called long-range anti-ship missiles, a vital weapon in any engagement with China, according to a series of war-game exercises conducted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington-based think tank.

The shortcomings in the nation’s defense industrial base are vividly illustrated by the shortage of solid rocket motors needed to power a broad range of precision missile systems, like the ship-launched SM-6 missiles made by Raytheon.

It was the shortage of SM-6 missiles in particular that had Admiral Caudle fuming; they are used to defend ships against enemy aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles and cruise missiles.

There are only two contractors today that build large numbers of rocket motors for missile systems used by the Air Force, the Navy, the Army and the Marines, down from six in 1995.

A recent fire disrupted the assembly line at one of the two remaining suppliers, Aerojet Rocketdyne, causing further delays in delivering the SM-6 and other precision missile systems, even as Pentagon orders for thousands of new missiles pile up.


“Rocket motors, a bane of my existence, continued to be a problem,” Gregory Hayes, Raytheon’s chief executive, told Wall Street analysts last month. He said the shortage would affect the company’s ability to deliver new missiles on time and was a problem unlikely to be solved “until probably the middle of ’24.”

Aerojet is building motors for older systems such as Javelin anti-armor missiles and Stinger antiaircraft missiles, of which over 10,000 have already been sent to Ukraine. It is also building new rockets needed to power so-called hypersonic missiles that can travel much faster, as well as the rockets for a new generation of nuclear weapons for the United States and even the rocket for a new NASA spaceship soon headed to the moon.

The result is billions of dollars in backlogged orders at the company — and frustration at the Pentagon about the pace of delivery.

“At the end of the day, I want the magazines filled,” Admiral Caudle told contractors and Navy personnel in January, referring to the storage areas on his ships for guided missiles. “OK? I want the ships’ tubes filled.”

Other shortages slowing production include simple items such as ball bearings, a key component of certain missile guidance systems, and steel castings, used in making engines.

There is also only one company, Williams International, that builds turbofan engines for most cruise missiles, according to Seth G. Jones, a former Defense Department official now at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, weapons that would be vital for any war with China given their long range.

The current problems have their roots in the aftermath of the Cold War’s end, when a drive for the “peace dividend” led to cuts in weapons procurement and consolidation of the industry.


In 1993, Norman Augustine, then the chief executive of Martin Marietta, one of the largest of the military contractors, received an invitation to a dinner with Defense Secretary Les Aspin, who was helping President Bill Clinton figure out how to shrink military spending.

When he arrived, more than a dozen other chief executives from major contractors were there for a gathering that would become known as “The Last Supper.” The message delivered to the industry by Mr. Aspin was that many of the companies needed to disappear, by merging or going out of business.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/last-supper-typed-norm-augustine/f9c5cc70afb5a019/full.pdf


“The cost would be enormous of maintaining the half-full factories, factory assembly lines,” Mr. Augustine, now 87, said in an interview at a coffee shop near his Maryland home, recalling the message shared with the executives. “The government was not going to tell us who the survivors would be — we were going to have to figure that out.”

Mr. Augustine still has a copy of a detailed “Last Supper” chart broken down by weapons systems that he typed up after the dinner. The total number of shipyards and tactical missile makers would each be cut to four from eight, while the number of rocket-motor manufacturers would be reduced to two from five.

Soon enough, Martin Marietta acquired GE Aerospace and General Dynamics’ Space Systems, and then merged with California-based Lockheed Corporation to form what is now known as Lockheed Martin.

“The conclusion they made — to get rid of most of the headquarters and the C.E.O.s and get the people left in the business operating at 100 percent, I think that was the right conclusion at the time,” Mr. Augustine said. “But it had long-term consequences. The challenge we face today was one of our own creation.”

Since the end of the Cold War, the United States — from the perspective of demands on its industrial base — has faced either short, high-intensity fights, like the first Persian Gulf war in 1990-91 and periods of the Iraq war starting in 2003, or prolonged but lower-intensity conflicts like the decades-long war in Afghanistan, said Michael E. O’Hanlon, a Brookings Institution military scholar.

But even these engagements, far different in scale from potential confrontations with other major powers, exposed the emerging risks: By 2016, the United States ran short of precision missiles after a series of fights in Afghanistan then Iraq, Libya and finally Syria.

The Pentagon briefly ramped up production to rebuild missile supplies, but it was a temporary move, said William A. LaPlante, the under secretary of defense who oversees acquisition. Defense Department leaders, and lawmakers who set the budget, would often turn to missile programs to cut spending totals.

Prodded by military industry lobbyists — and the hundreds of retired high-ranking military officers they have hired to their sales and marketing teams — the government has instead mostly focused on buying new ships, planes and other extremely high-priced pieces of equipment, where the major contractors make most of their money.

Lobbyists have also pushed Congress to hold on to older ships and planes that even the Defense Department says have limited military value but which burn large amounts of money to equip and staff.

But the lower-priced items — like the missiles and other munitions — became an easy way to cut budgets to keep up spending on the big-ticket items.

“It becomes very attractive when our budgets are being balanced, to balance them on the munitions funds, because it’s fungible money,” Mr. LaPlante said. “We really allowed production lines to go cold and watched as parts became obsolete.”

That habit has also extended to European allies such as Poland, which has committed to buying F-35 fighter jets, which cost about $80 million apiece, but not enough missiles to use them for more than about two weeks in a war, said Mr. Hayes, the chief executive of Raytheon, whose Pratt & Whitney division builds engines for the fighter.

“We spend a lot of money on some very exquisite large systems, and we do not spend or focus as much on the munitions necessary to support those,” Mr. Hayes said in December. “Nobody’s buying the weapons systems necessary to engage for anything other than a very, very short-term battle.”

The Pentagon is now working to jettison an approach built around a Walmart-style just-in-time philosophy of keeping inventory low and instead focusing more on production capacity, Mr. LaPlante said in an interview.

The Biden White House this month proposed a 51 percent increase in the budget to buy missiles and munitions compared with 2022, reaching a total of $30.6 billion.

And that is just the start. The White House’s proposed budget just for Air Force missile procurement is set to jump to nearly $13 billion by 2028 from $2.2 billion in 2021. (Congress is just beginning to consider the administration’s proposals and those from both parties on Capitol Hill.)

Major contractors like Lockheed Martin, with the support of the Pentagon, are looking across the United States to bring on new suppliers for missile programs. The Defense Department is also sending in teams to help them eliminate bottlenecks, including turning to allies from around the world to find particular parts in short supply that are holding back assembly lines.

Last year, Lockheed could produce 7,500 of the artillery rockets that Ukrainian troops have fired to great effect from HIMARS launchers. This year, that number will jump to 10,000. But that is still far less than the Pentagon needs, even just to resupply Ukraine, and it is one of more than a dozen rocket and missile systems that contractors are now rushing to expand.

The surge in spending is likely to translate in the long run into increased profits at military contractors. But in the short term several of them, like Lockheed, continue to struggle to hire workers and eliminate shortages of key components needed to meet the Pentagon’s demand.

Lockheed expects its revenues to remain flat this year, even as the federal government pushes up spending.

Building up the additional needed capacity is likely to take several years.

“Any time you see an analysis that says, hey, we might not be prepared to achieve our strategic objectives, that’s concerning,” Frank A. St. John, the chief operating officer at Lockheed Martin, the nation’s largest military contractor, said in an interview. “We are on a path to address that need.”

Congress in December gave the Pentagon new power to award military contractors multiyear contracts to buy missile systems, providing financial commitments that allow them to hire more subcontractors or expand factories so they can build more missiles, knowing that there are profits to be made.

“It will give industry the real confirmation that they’re going to be in it for years to come,” Mr. LaPlante said. “That’s a big, big culture change.”

The Pentagon last year also created a team assigned to work with contractors to identify labor and supply chain shortages — and then gave out more than $2 billion in funding to quickly help resolve them.

That team started with a focus on resupplying weapons sent to Ukraine, Mr. LaPlante said, but it has now been set up as a more permanent unit inside the Pentagon to help the Defense Department make an “overall shift away from the just-in-time mind-set.”

In a reversal of post-Cold War policy, antitrust regulators have also increased scrutiny of continued military industry consolidation, with the Federal Trade Commission for example moving last year to block a $4.4 billion plan by Lockheed Martin to buy Aerojet Rocketdyne.

“We cannot afford to allow further concentration in markets critical to our national security and defense,” Holly Vedova, the director of the trade commission’s Bureau of Competition, said early last year, after the agency sued to block the deal.

Another major defense company, L3 Harris Technologies, which is the nation’s sixth largest, has moved to buy Aerojet, a deal that is still not completed. But contractors are also looking for new options to expand the ability to build rocket engines, with Lockheed asking for bids from a variety of potential new suppliers.

Aerojet has moved recently to expand its own rocket-engine plants in Arkansas and Alabama, where the company makes rocket motors for the SM-6 that the Navy is waiting for, as well as the PAC-3 missile, which Taiwan is waiting for as a defense against any incoming missile threats.

“D.O.D. leaders have signaled a critical need to replenish existing stockpiles,” the company said in a statement, “as well as a need to invest significantly to address overall munitions inventory.”

The Air Force has started to change the way it buys missile systems in part to expand the number of companies that manufacture key items like rocket engines, said Andrew Hunter, an assistant secretary at the Air Force in charge of acquisitions.

“It’s almost inconceivable that a single supplier is going to have the kind of capacity you’re going to need, if that conflict becomes extended,” he said after being asked about the rocket-engine shortage.

President Biden has also turned to the Defense Production Act — used during the pandemic to speed up the manufacturing of respirators and vaccines — to move ahead with new missile programs faster, including a number of hypersonic weapons being developed for the Air Force, the Army and the Navy.

All the moves have been needed because the United States underestimated the threats it now faces — or failed to prepare adequately, Pentagon officials acknowledged.

“No one anticipated the prolonged high-volume conflict we are seeing in Ukraine, or that we might see against a strategic competitor in the future,” Mr. LaPlante said this month, referring to China.

A surge in requests for weapons sales by the United States from allies in Europe and Asia will also help by creating more demand that can support domestic production lines.

For Taiwan alone, there is a $19 billion backlog of orders for American-made weapons — large chunks of it for Stinger missiles with rocket engines built by Aerojet that are already in short supply.

The Pentagon is also working with certain U.S. allies to create more partnerships, like a $1.2 billion contract awarded last year funding a joint project between Raytheon and the Norwegian defense firm Kongsberg to build a surface-to-air missile system called NASAMS that is being sent to Ukraine.

Ms. Hicks, the deputy defense secretary, said the goal is not necessarily to prepare to fight a war with China — it is to deter one from breaking out.

“Still, we must have the combat credibility to win if we must fight,” she said.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 12:50 on May 26, 2023

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Why $19.49? Do you have to pay tax and it adds up to 20 bux?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
We don't even see a picture of the prototype and they are going to award the NGAD contract next year. Is this common?

Is this like the first seed money of a start up you just need a good elevator pitch to get money?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

I am owned a funny shaky cam ejection video.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
No Canada and Australia should procure mini weapons that can used outside of the country and also pass law to prevent lobbying from US MIC. Australia is too far gone but Canada can still work on her peaceful reputation.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Marines are so big in the US because they can used by the president without any congress rubber stamping.

VDV is more like US special force green beret.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 20:31 on Jun 10, 2023

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
A nordsteam styled mystery tactical nuke going off in Taipei, so the US can make EU join the sanction alliance. A Taiwanese political commentator has already discussed that scenario.

I keep going "too much online" and "insightful armchair strategist" on this guy.

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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

fits my needs posted:

john bradons gonna nuke the chip factory?

Nah that would be too obvious, US politicians has repeatedly said they would bomb TSMC so even stupid brain washed European Congress people won't buy that China bomb them. You set off the tactical nuke on the Taipei 101. Why? because Asian Orcs are craaazy. *Cue Guardian article why the Chinese ccp are crazy. (also Politico article to remind people why defending Taiwan equal defending USD hegemony and the American way of life to keep the moderates in line)

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 18:12 on Jun 12, 2023

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