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RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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RasperFat posted:

But the problem is Putin has leverage over the oligarchs, and they have illegal deals with Trump, so that opens the door for all sorts of conspiracies to flourish because there has been confirmed financial trails connecting them. It also might legitimately allow Putin to pressure Trump into kowtowing to Russian demands that affect finances. And Trump’s shady avoidance of enforcing/enacting sanctions is another giant red flag, and also provides more fuel to conspiracy theories.

Did you know JFK was Catholic and that the Catholic Church has an entire network of agents operating in the open throughout the entire world? They offer the only thing that is so valuable that money cannot even buy it (any more): salvation. How's that for leverage!?

And did you know that the Catholic Church is headed by a single, believed-to-be infallible dictator for life? A man who controls vast swathes of wealth, entire populations, and one of the largest organizations on the planet with functionally no oversight?

Perhaps this is why JFK refused to support the Bay of Pigs against the primarily Catholic island nation of Cuba. Or why he didn't have the strength, or the courage, to bathe the world in nuclear fire during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

We've already had our Manchurian candidate, people. And it is only through the brave actions of the National Security Agencies working in conjunction with The Mob (and maybe even Aliens? Still working on that one) that we have excised that blight from our national legacy.

RaySmuckles fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Mar 28, 2019

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RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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RasperFat posted:

I’m not entirely sure how you jumped from “rich failson has financial connections with rich criminals” to an Illuminati type conspiracy.

“Conspiracies” with the rich aren’t very complicated or rare, they’re just lame things like tax avoidance and money laundering. Which Trump is 98% likely to have done with foreign investors.

what kind of leverage does putin have over a man with functionally limitless money serving as the head of the most powerful country in the history of civilization?

RasperFat posted:

It also might legitimately allow Putin to pressure Trump into kowtowing to Russian demands that affect finances. And Trump’s shady avoidance of enforcing/enacting sanctions is another giant red flag, and also provides more fuel to conspiracy theories.

you're saying it here. what the gently caress does trump care? he and his children are set for life. he doesn't need russia anymore. the connections and power he wields purely from the office of the presidency are enough to guarantee his and his family's status for generations. he is protected by partisan courts, legislators, national security institutions, law enforcement agencies, and a tradition of letting outgoing presidents get away with whatever.

putin has no hold on him. he's waaaaaay past putin and his criminal connections.


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holy poo poo

i know right? its called a "joke." fuckin' wild, frankly

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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obama's on his way to being a 100 millionaire if not billionaire despite never working in any sort of lucrative field (a couple books, but that's pocket change)

the clintons have a foundation/slush fund worth hundreds of millions of dollars. their success was able to downplay the fact that bill was almost impeached (waaaay closer than trump ever came) and his wife was able to run for president (rightfully. just saying the biggest political scandal of the last few decades had virtually no lasting effect). now their daughter is married into extreme wealth and being potentially groomed for political office herself where she can carry on the obvious clinton foundation grift for decades to come.

bush hw was one of the only presidents ever to only serve a single term but it didn't stop his son from attaining the presidency. speaking of his son, he's not in jail, which is some kind of diabolical miracle and now is even getting his reputation rehabilitated by the very people who opposed him!

once you hit that office you become teflon, RasperFat

nothing is going to stick to Trump. nothing is going to bring him down. he's doing so many favors for so many major players that he's gonna get all the funding and financing he's ever dreamed of once he's out of office.

sure, maybe he struggled before getting in, but now he's in a position to hook up so many people that they're gonna owe him big time

you're worried about what putin might say? watch me discredit that notion in 4 words: "wow, you believe putin!?" or how about 2: "russian propaganda." those last two words are so powerful they derailed a major american political party and its constituents for 2 full years, preventing any sort of self reflection after their stunning defeat at the hands of the clown donald j trump

look, have all the hope in justice that you want. i've been following US politics for a long, long time and have seen absolutely nothing, NOTHING, that supports the notion that trump will face any sort of negative consequences for his past behavior. once you're in the club, you and yours are set for life and he's in.

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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Grimey Drawer

RasperFat posted:

Yeah I agree with our enforcement being corrupt and Presidents not going down for crimes.

I literally capped off saying I don’t expect Trump to actually go to jail for anything, he probably won’t ever even see a courtroom.

That’s entirely separate from the (basically confirmed) fact that Trump has been doing shady business with a bunch of Russians, almost certainly illegal, and that having all of that come out is something Trump still doesn’t want.

That doesn’t mean Russia has their hand fully up his rear end and have made him a living puppet. It just means that there’s money laundering that Trump would still rather not be publicly confirmed, even if he would never actually be behind bars for it. And is probably willing to do otherwise meaningless (to him) things to pay back those Russians, like sanctions fuckery.

ok, thanks for the responses. sorry if i came in really hot. i'm gonna let this go for now just to not think about it all day and let the thread continue on cuz i do love me some conspiracy theories.


building 7 is the best conspiracy.

only building to ever fall from just fire. housed the biggest natsec offices outside of dc area. emergency control bunker for nyc and somehow flimsy enough to burn to the ground when it obviously woulda been one of the sturdiest buildings in new york.

oh yeah, also it housed the back ups for the major accounting investigation into missing defense department money. the primary location of that stuff? the one part of the pentagon that got hit.

its so loving good.

also rudy guilliani is on record saying they decided to "pull it" ie tear the building down. it didn't collapse on its own.

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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its really the best one of all the 9/11 ones

the calls from the plane are pretty decent too (its a frame)

my 9/11 take is that it was like pearl harbor. they let it happen and used it to their advantage

oh sure, the 3 most important ships just happened not to be there. they were doing "exercises," alone, and undefended. lmao

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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SickZip posted:

All the talk of Iran-Contra and I've never seen anyone post about the revelation that George HW Bush was the leaker who revealed it to the world.

That was a twist that even conspiracy theorists wouldn't have believed. The reveal that one of the biggest and most illegal conspiracies of modern political history was revealed because it was stepping on the toes of an even deeper and more illegal conspiracy is one for the ages

please, go on

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RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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SickZip posted:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v41/n02/seymour-m-hersh/the-vice-presidents-men

The tldr is that Bush thought Reagan and his pick to lead the CIA were clowns so he setup a completely illegal intelligence operation that conducted operations in foreign countries with no authorization from the president or Congress. The Iran Contra stuff started stepping on their toes so Bush leaked the info with the idea that the head of the CIA takes the fall and Reagan's clumsy cowboy operation ends. Except their fall guy gets brain cancer and becomes too dead to fill the role and everything spirals out of their control and becomes a major scandal when it was meant to be an embarrassment

yowza. thanks for elucidating

thats wild

RaySmuckles fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Mar 30, 2019

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