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While a lot of the media hype has been bullshit, it seems fairly obvious that Trump has been neck deep in illicit business with Russians for a while. The fatal flaw is that it’s boring money laundering white collar crimes. Russian oligarchs have used Trump to launder money and maybe some other illegal property investments etc. Trump being a Manchurian Candidate is almost certainly tinfoil hat nonsense. But the problem is Putin has leverage over the oligarchs, and they have illegal deals with Trump, so that opens the door for all sorts of conspiracies to flourish because there has been confirmed financial trails connecting them. It also might legitimately allow Putin to pressure Trump into kowtowing to Russian demands that affect finances. And Trump’s shady avoidance of enforcing/enacting sanctions is another giant red flag, and also provides more fuel to conspiracy theories. We should never have actually trusted Mueller to do anything about this, given his history of covering up crimes for Republican presidents during his tenure at the FBI. Especially because it’s incredibly likely that enough other Republican politicians, even though it’s probably a tiny minority, also have financial connections to the same criminals Trump does. And to be be honest probably a couple Democrats would be caught up in a sweep of illegal international financial dealings as well. Actually enforcing laws and doing a real investigation here would likely have just been a strong blow to faith in the government and democracy, which is an outcome nobody in power in government wants. Without getting too  , it sees insane that any actual investigation into Russian interference and influence in the 2016 election didn’t include a thorough combing of Trump’s real estate empire and international bank connections. The only plausible explanation other than incompetency or partisan hackery is that this route would damage too many powerful people so it was ignored to avoid a shitstorm.We will probably not find out enough about this entire farcical debacle for another decade or two. It’s just more chaos to add to the insanity that has been the last two year of the Trump presidency. It’s just another frustrating and confusing aspect to having corrupt fascist idiots in our government.
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RaySmuckles posted:Did you know JFK was Catholic and that the Catholic Church has an entire network of agents operating in the open throughout the entire world? They offer the only thing that is so valuable that money cannot even buy it (any more): salvation. How's that for leverage!? I’m not entirely sure how you jumped from “rich failson has financial connections with rich criminals” to an Illuminati type conspiracy. “Conspiracies” with the rich aren’t very complicated or rare, they’re just lame things like tax avoidance and money laundering. Which Trump is 98% likely to have done with foreign investors.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:37
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RaySmuckles posted:what kind of leverage does putin have over a man with functionally limitless money serving as the head of the most powerful country in the history of civilization? It’s a very simple line. Trump is financed by Russians after failing so much banks won’t lend to him anymore. Those Russian’s status is dependent on being in Putin’s good graces. How does Trump have “limitless money”? His son clearly stated they needed financing (which he said was from Russians) to keep his golf courses operating. Sure, he can and will continue to grift using the office, but he can’t actually get rich enough to play with the big boys through that. Trump could have had cocaine hooker parties every night his entire adult life with just his daddy’s money. But instead he pissed a lot of it away with his failed business ventures. You’re ascribing way, way too much foresight and general comprehension to Trump who has been a short sighted con artist for decades. Trump isn’t a planted spy or whatever stupid poo poo you’re trying to imply I said. He’s just a grifter who ran through all his marks in the US and had to expand abroad. And Putin has receipts for all of the boring but illegal shenanigans Trump has been up to with his criminal partners. It would be absolutely loving devastating to the Trump “legacy” if all that came out. Of course I don’t expect anything to actually happen to Trump legally given the precedent of our previous criminal presidents, but you have to try real loving hard to ignore how many shady Russian connections the Trump family has. Which coincidentally plays into the reasoning I gave for how easy it is for outlandish conspiracy theories to spawn from Trump’s corrupt shitshow.
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Mar 28, 2019 20:54
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Yeah I agree with our enforcement being corrupt and Presidents not going down for crimes. I literally capped off saying I don’t expect Trump to actually go to jail for anything, he probably won’t ever even see a courtroom. That’s entirely separate from the (basically confirmed) fact that Trump has been doing shady business with a bunch of Russians, almost certainly illegal, and that having all of that come out is something Trump still doesn’t want. That doesn’t mean Russia has their hand fully up his rear end and have made him a living puppet. It just means that there’s money laundering that Trump would still rather not be publicly confirmed, even if he would never actually be behind bars for it. And is probably willing to do otherwise meaningless (to him) things to pay back those Russians, like sanctions fuckery.
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Mar 28, 2019 23:26
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