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TwoPair posted:I think the only reason people feel attacked is because the game tells you at the end that "killing games are bad and shouldn't be entertainment" when, well, the player is playing a killing game for entertainment. It's that meme where Marge Simpson goes "it's true, but he shouldn't say it". I never felt attacked for playing it, but I can certainly see why others would. I was always a little confused that people felt attacked. Even if there's some degree of metacommentary going on, the game is saying 'actual killing games where real people physically die are bad', which doesn't seem like a controversial stance to take! TwoPair posted:It also pretty much says "this franchise needs to die and we are killing it here and now" which is a good way to get fans of a franchise (who presumably want more installments) peeved. I had to admire the 'make the player feel so sympathetic towards the characters that they'll accept it if we don't make the games any more' strategy for getting out of making more Danganronpa. It's a magnificently stupid move, but it genuinely worked on me. I love these games, but I can accept the series ending here, because this ridiculous game got me invested in these characters and went 'you want them to be happy, right?' and then 'great, they can only be happy if you never get to play another Danganronpa game'.
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Rith posted:I was always a little confused that people felt attacked. Even if there's some degree of metacommentary going on, the game is saying 'actual killing games where real people physically die are bad', which doesn't seem like a controversial stance to take! Nah, I think that takes the surface level as the primary meaning, the metacommentary is the primary message of the game, and the fact that the surface level reading is so trite is testament to that. The original game was a clever and rather biting satire of the high-pressure, bullying-laden cutthroat environment of the Japanese school system, it had an actual message with relevance to the real world. By DRV3, the message supposedly is "actual killing games (a thing which doesn't exist and nobody wants) are bad"? That isn't merely uncontroversial, it's flat out vapid. So the real message is the one that lies under that, which is that the game itself is cultural trash, an object produced solely for profit, to be consumed purely for entertainment and nothing more, and the game savages both the player and the developer for participating in that transaction. Of course in doing so it transforms itself and reveals at the end that it was only pretending to be mindless entertainment devoid of meaning, and does so in a hilarious way. As a result, I think the players who felt attacked were exactly the people the game is attacking, they're the players who just want content to consume without having to do any of that troublesome thinking, the ones who don't want "politics" in their games, who can't handle the notion that they have a worldview, much less having that worldview questioned. For those whom that accusation doesn't apply to, the insults land because we're still participants in that culture of mindless entertainment, but they don't sting because that culture is not our identity, and so the insults are funny instead.
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It's also a critique of the death game genre (or just media that is known for death, like Game of Thrones) as a whole. We absolutely love these kinds of media because we know our favourites can die. There's always an element of tension because of that, and audiences thrive off of that. You can make infinite stories in that mould so long as you just have the right characters, without changing much at all about the actual core structure. Just look at that formula Fedule posts every so often for how a Danganronpa goes.
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As someone trapped in a real-life murder game, I maintain that I'm correct to take the message completely at face value and I think it's sorely needed in these times. (I'm not good at analysis and I appreciate the insight.)
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Rith posted:...trapped in a real-life murder game... Capitalism? 
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Marluxia posted:All true, but also consider the goal of what he was doing. This was an execution for everyone, including him. As the executor, he wasn't down below with everyone else. Plus he's been mind wiped anyway, the Keebo you know doesn't exist anymore. More relevantly, Keebo was the audience view, and while apparently everyone had stopped watching during the show, there's always the danger that someone looks at the VODs or whatever. They didn't want a Hope ending where people survive, in-universe.
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It's also worth considering that there's a significant portion of the fandom that likes making casts of original characters who live out their own murder mystery stories. I can understand how they could read some of the points criticized in the final trial (creating characters whose sole purpose is to suffer for the drama; making memorable, convoluted, and/or violent death scenes; recycling Danganronpa's settings and themes endlessly; and wanting to "be" part of Danganronpa by being totally immersed in fan content) and think it's a condemnation of their work. Of course, the comparison falls apart since fanfic writers usually don't kidnap, brainwash, and gaslight real people into acting out their stories. I highly doubt the intention was to condemn fans, but rather to take the idea of in-universe murder fandoms to their logical conclusions. But between the kneejerk reactions and any number of other grievances some people might have with V3 (Kiyo), I can see why some fans wrote it off entirely.Personally I like that they went all out on how ridiculous the premise would be. The scrolling comments and Monokuma shilling himself as the mascot are my favorite parts of this trial. If nothing else, at least it wasn't a boring ride on the meta-commentary roller coaster, and for that alone I feel like it was all worth it. I didn't comment until now because I knew I wouldn't be able to stop myself from winking and nudging at every bit of foreshadowing, but I've been reading this for a while, so thanks for the great LP! MiracleFlare fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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Rith posted:I was always a little confused that people felt attacked. Even if there's some degree of metacommentary going on, the game is saying 'actual killing games where real people physically die are bad', which doesn't seem like a controversial stance to take!  I mostly played the game for the murder-mystery-solving and character interactions, not the gory spectacle of death or the battle of hope/despair that the game's not-Twitch audience wants, so it didn't feel especially personal. Reveilled posted:Nah, I think that takes the surface level as the primary meaning, the metacommentary is the primary message of the game, and the fact that the surface level reading is so trite is testament to that. The original game was a clever and rather biting satire of the high-pressure, bullying-laden cutthroat environment of the Japanese school system, it had an actual message with relevance to the real world. By DRV3, the message supposedly is "actual killing games (a thing which doesn't exist and nobody wants) are bad"? That isn't merely uncontroversial, it's flat out vapid. So the real message is the one that lies under that, which is that the game itself is cultural trash, an object produced solely for profit, to be consumed purely for entertainment and nothing more, and the game savages both the player and the developer for participating in that transaction. Of course in doing so it transforms itself and reveals at the end that it was only pretending to be mindless entertainment devoid of meaning, and does so in a hilarious way. DRV3 is critiquing people who wanted more of the hope vs. despair message of the first two games, because their messages were complete and continuing to harp on about those themes really hollowed out their meaning (that's my opinion from watching the DR3 anime, anyway). I think it's also making some pointed commentary about consumers and producers of reality television, but that might just be because I read about Kimura Hana's suicide recently and it's fresh in my mind.
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Rarity posted:Just make Kaede a guy and Shuichi a girl, problem solved given how quick shuichi was to volunteer to cosplay as a girl, maybe this is just a problem that will solve itself in time
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Bloody Emissary posted:DRV3 is critiquing people who wanted more of the hope vs. despair message of the first two games, because their messages were complete and continuing to harp on about those themes really hollowed out their meaning (that's my opinion from watching the DR3 anime, anyway). DR3 even has someone come to the same conclusion and almost the same wording as Keebo: "do what you want with hope and despair". Of course, she then goes and becomes a space NEET and the hope/despair battle continues on the ground, so no-one got to benefit from her epiphany 
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mycelia posted:DR3 even has someone come to the same conclusion and almost the same wording as Keebo: "do what you want with hope and despair". Of course, she then goes and becomes a space NEET and the hope/despair battle continues on the ground, so no-one got to benefit from her epiphany I love Komaeda to bits, but that reaction being inspired by all his bullshit was the funniest thing in that whole anime
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Skeleton Mom posted:given how quick shuichi was to volunteer to cosplay as a girl, maybe this is just a problem that will solve itself in time killing school is a pretty stressful environment to transition in, so shuichi is waiting until after graduation
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Also, in case anyone missed this one, this was just pointed out to me, way back at the start of the first trial:
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The first trial has a lot of fun details you'll notice when you replay the game.
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That first trial had to be brutal for the Mastermind. They got pretty close a few times.
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Oh, there actually is a song called HUMBLE; I thought the title of update 8 was just referencing Kaede's amazing gambit of being so aggressively polite Miu actually does the thing
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There sure is. I admire Soltair's dedication to making every single update title a fitting song reference. 
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I just finished binging this LP after a few weeks and what a rollercoaster. Thanks for your incredible effort, Soltair, in showing this off with style!
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Sonuvabitch I forgot that V3 has a poo poo-ton of post-game content!! Do you plan to show it off, Solitair?
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Captain Walker posted:Sonuvabitch I forgot that V3 has a poo poo-ton of post-game content!! Do you plan to show it off, Solitair? Yeah, I ended up getting a bit burnt out and sidetracked, but I do still want to cover the post-game.
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  Hey, welcome back to hell, everyone! My brain turned to pudding over the holidays, but I think I'm finally ready to start putting this LP out of its misery.  We'll leave that talent whatsit for later and start with the customary dating sim mode. Looks fishy to me.  KAEDE: Hey, Shuichi!  ...That's me. Kaede is calling my name... Ah...where am I...? What am I doing here?  SHUICHI: When suddenly, I...I was pushed into a car... Before I even figured out what was happening, I lost consciousness. ...That's right, this is the Ultimate Academy, and we... We are...the 16 high school students with Ultimate talents. And then... The Monokubs... They ordered us to investigate the grounds.    .png) Kaede, look at the monitor!  ... Kept you bastards waiting, huh!? Everyone, make your way to the gym please. The opening ceremony can finally begin! Phew! We finally finished our preparations! ...You do realize you just read your lines backwards, don't you?   .png) Kaede...what should we do?.png) What should we do? Go, of course. Everyone else is probably doing the same thing..png) True, but...I'm a little worried about this... This is a pretty relaxing change in text box design, I've gotta say. Despite my trepidation, we headed toward the gym.  It reminded me of an engine sound from a giant robot anime. And right at that moment...  From here, things proceed as they did in Chapter 1, Part 6, until we get to this point:  .png) ...What?.png) M-M-Monodam! How DARE you upstage me!.png) W—Wait a second. What did you say?.png) I-If I heard him correctly— Huh????: My cute little cubs... I'm canceling this killing game... .png) Oh! That voice!Skipping ahead again...  The narration is slightly different now that Shuichi's doing it.  .png) What exactly does that mean?.png) Oh, you don't need to worry about that. I've decided to cancel the killing game..png) C-Cancel!?   .png) ....png) I don't like violence or gore, so I don't really mind if it's cancelled...  .png) Nope, your father has never had a single glit—.png) ...glit-glit-glit—.png) ...glit-glit-glit—   You're like a kid covered in frosting who swears he didn't touch that cake! Classic Pops! His pride is higher than the Eiffel Tower! .png) And I've never glitched! I'm a professional, dammit! .png) There's no way you'd just let us go after all this..png) Puhu...puhuhuhuhu....png) What is so amusing? It's just...when I said it again, I kinda just phoned it in and now I feel awkward... .png) In this mode....png) I just want you to have a fun time living at the academy. ...Huh?.png) Mode...? Anyway, as long as you guys have a fun life at the academy, that's alright by me. You're at that special age where it doesn't take much to get your hormones raging..png) Umm, I don't get the point. There's always one show like that on the air at any given time, y'know? Like, a buncha guys and gals livin' under one roof, gettin' the bots for each other... The audience just eats it up, watchin' to see who's gonna end up with who..png) That's what I want for you guys. I want you to star in your own reality dating show. Yep, that kinda stock reaction is to be expected... But if you've looked around the academy, then you already know, don't you? The academy is surrounded by a huge wall. You can't escape to the outside world....png) And as long as we have the Exisals, you can't defy us.  Quit shouting. This is way more mild than what I originally had planned for you. Plus, I'm not saying you gotta live here forever. Weren't you listening? I said this is a reality dating show. And just like those shows promise, the couple who ends up together get to graduate. But, uh, try to be quick about it, okay? Audiences get bored fast these days. If no one ends up together after ten days, this show will be forced off the air. .png) Maybe that's when he'll make us do the killing game? Nyah-hahahaha! Kids these days... Always worrying about the future as if failure is a guarantee.Aheheh. Yeah. Can't imagine why that's hip with the kids these days.  Take chances, get messy, make mistakes! Worry about failure when it happens. .png) Papa Kuma is on the pulse of society's trends!.png) Pops is such a great capitalist! There's no idea he won't rip off to make a profit!.png) ... But the romantic sparks won't fly if you guys just do whatever you want. The audience won't know who to watch if all sixteen of you are just milling about. .png) Telling us to fall in love or whatever? What do you want us to do!? When you wanna "spend time" with another student... Or in other words, when you wanna "go on a date," please exchange a Date Ticket. What's that? How do you go about obtaining one of these tickets? Wanting something gives it value—in other words, you gotta shell out cash for 'em. You guys have already seen a place on campus where you can earn cash, haven't you?.png) ...Earn cash? .png) ...SPOILER-WARNING..png) ...Oops!.png) Uh-oh... Monophanie's gonna get punished by Pops—  Nrghhhhhh! I feel so bad! This is all my fault! ] No, it's democracy's fault! Ah-hahahahaha! ... Everything here is maniacal and twisted... Especially Tsumugi's face. A school surrounded by a giant wall... Sixteen imprisoned Ultimates... These bizarre stuffed animals armed to the teeth... And on top of all that...some kind of reality dating show... Without even a moment of respite, we became the cast of this twisted story.  ...Yesterday wasn't a dream. It's real. It's all horribly real. ......... There's no sense worrying about it. I should get my mind off it. Just focus on what I can do... I made up my mind about it and forced myself to get out of bed. Alright, how should I spend my day today?  Check out the minimap. We're confined to this part of the courtyard, where everyone's gathered in a convenient place.  I notice something while checking out the backyard. Hell yeah! Byeow-nyeow-nyeow! My pain's a tattoo that's been etched on me for liiiiiiife! Byeow-nyeow-nyeow! If I say I regret it, that would be such a liiiiiiiie!I got 4 casino coins flung at me. Monokid doesn't understand how busking works. He leaves after that little performance.  .png) DID-YOU-KNOW, DETECTIVE? FATHER-ONLY-EATS-SALMON.He discreetly handed me 12 casino coins and left the way I came...  You're a weirdo for coming to this place. Can't you see there's nothing here? Hm? Then what am I doing here? Some questions in life are best left unanswered...100 casino coins were handed to me, laced with implication. I couldn't find the other two, unless they're hanging out on different days which I don't feel like checking.  Let's ask our beloved headmaster for guidance. .png) Huh? What do you want now? After all, the most important person you can love is yourself. How's anyone supposed to fall in love with you if you don't love yourself...? Huh? You wanna hear something with a little more substance? Hmm... This feels like a rule violation, but... in your case, I'll make an exception. The honeymoon phase only lasts so long before you gotta step up your love game. For a person like that, get a Date Ticket from the casino and take them out on a date. A change of scenery will let them see you in anew light. Maybe even fall in love with you. But remember, you can't invite someone on a date unless your affection is half full. It won't cost you a ticket and it won't take too long, so it's not a waste of your time. Anyway, do your best, Romeo! I'll be watching along with the audience! .png) Alright! Let's take a look at your affection level, Shuichi! I've got my work cut out for me. Here's where you can get the free time events you missed if you're a normal person who's not doing a comprehensive LP. Next time, we start cleaning up those last ten friendship fragments. Danganronpa 53 Danganronpa V3 theme.       In case you felt like bringing the main menu with you while you play the game. Solitair fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Oct 6, 2023 |
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Oh snap, I figured we weren't ever gonna get this! Welcome back Solitair 
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Hey, its back! It's nice to get an opportunity to see more Kaede and Rantaro, this time from Shuichi's perspective. It does kinda suck that you have to replay chapter 1 a bunch of times to see all of Kaede's FTEs, though. On the subject of the DRV3 postgame, for those who aren't aware the other major postgame mode, Talent Development Plan, is being expanded into it's own spinoff game as part of the new anniversary collection. It looks fairly meaty (and full of fanservice, which is also true for the original). NeverHelm fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jul 3, 2021 |
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NeverHelm posted:Hey, its back! It's nice to get an opportunity to see more Kaede and Rantaro, this time from Shuichi's perspective. It does kinda suck that you have to replay chapter 1 a bunch of times to see all of Kaede's FTEs, though. That was my final impetus to get this whole ball rolling again, in case the Danganronpa S completely supersedes this game's Talent Development Plan.
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Hell yeah, it's back!  NeverHelm posted:On the subject of the DRV3 postgame, for those who aren't aware the other major postgame mode, Talent Development Plan, is being expanded into it's own spinoff game as part of the new anniversary collection. It looks fairly meaty (and full of fanservice, which is also true for the original). 
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What's more anime than a character popularity poll? Nothing, that's what! We've got a whole lot of character fluff to get through, so here's your chance to help me get to the good stuff first. I'll make the polls for DR1 and DR2 when we get past Dangan Salmon Team. I had considered mashing them all together to make you order fifty-three characters in a ranked-choice voting system, but I decided against it at the last minute.
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Okay, people who aren't cowards should share their rankings  
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MegaZeroX posted:Okay, people who aren't cowards should share their rankings Kokichi Miu Kaede Maki Ryoma Kaito Himiko Shuichi Kirumi Tsumugi Rantaro Keebo Tenko Gonta Angie Kiyo
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MegaZeroX posted:Okay, people who aren't cowards should share their rankings  I liked Kaede. For all that Shuichi's story was good I still would have rather seen a game where she stayed protagonist.
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MegaZeroX posted:Okay, people who aren't cowards should share their rankings Kaede Maki Miu Kaito Shuichi Himiko Keebo Kirumi Gonta Angie Tenko Ryoma Tsumugi Rantaro Kiyo Kokichi ...Yes, hot take, but I absolutely hate Kokichi.
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MegaZeroX posted:Okay, people who aren't cowards should share their rankings Kokichi Miu Gonta everyone else in semi-random order Himiko Tsumugi Kaito If hating Kokichi is a hot take then hating Kaito is probably a hotter take.
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I should really go back and reread the thread. I'm well familiar with V3, I just sorta fell off at some point. Good to see the extensive postgame getting covered. Anyway hi, it's me, one of the mystical Korekiyo fans. There are at least, like, five of us.
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It's me, the nyaa-stermind fan.
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MegaZeroX posted:Okay, people who aren't cowards should share their rankings Rankings are mostly random around the middle to top, but the bottom 6 or so are more ranked by how annoying i found them. Plus i just think Ryoma and Miu are neat. 
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Sure. Top 6 or so are the characters I like some, Rantaro and Kirumi are kind of there because they have bits I really enjoy but overall are just kind of barely there, Gonta and Kaede are just fine, and everyone below is fairly eh. Cannot stand Tenko. Tsumugi Angie Shuichi Korekiyo Kokichi Miu Rantaro Kirumi Gonta Kaede Himiko Maki Keebo Kaito Ryoma Tenko
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I forget who I put in the middle but I know Kaede, Tsumugi and Miu were at the top and Gonta, Tenko, and Ryoma at the bottom. As far as Oma-chat, I think Kokichi's whole arc in the main game is okay but after a whole game worth, his schtick wears thin and
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Order in the middle isn't exact, but close enough. Himiko Tenko Ryoma Miu Kaito Kokichi Kaede Maki Gonta Angie Rantaro Tsumugi Kirumi Shuichi Korekiyo K1-B0
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