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Hey everyone, I was getting into it with someone and figured we should take it here. I'm not interested in dunking on people, but rather, education and communication. If our ideas are cool and good, then let's use them and figure out more effective ways to communicate our beliefs. Let's all be on our best behavior. Act like you're trying to convert your mama or brother; someone you care for and respect. Its good practice. I've seen the subject of "how do we actually do this" come up in some other threads, so lets find out if we're up to it. Here are some quotes to first set the scene and then get into the discussion: Reluctant Aspirant posted:A general politics subforum is basically what I'd like, where somebody can say something like "you know it doesn't seem like america's doing too bad right now" and people can talk about it without a ton of posters dropping the arguments they've received from listening to podcasts on them Pompous Explainer posted:hmm that sounds more like a sub to me Reluctant Aspirant posted:Wow, there should really be a forum where we can continue this conversation without getting all pissed off at eachother and calling eachother names while a bunch of dumbasses show up to cheer on whatever side they identify with Pompous Explainer posted:we'd have to make one cuz that sure as poo poo doesn't exist anywhere here now Reluctant Aspirant posted:I don't mind arguing, even heated arguing, but I despise the loving tribalism your team-my team poo poo that infests those forums Pompous Explainer posted:political power is about solidarity Reluctant Aspirant posted:I once received a very similar argument from a business major, saying that the purpose of a business was to allow people to work together and accomplish a goal in the most efficient manner possible Pompous Explainer posted:whoever convinced you that was a good idea. they've successfully prevented you from benefitting from all the cool poo poo we have now Reluctant Aspirant posted:I think it was the best, most affirming and purposeful way for people to live their lives and we'd all been better off if we'd stuck with the more difficult path in the long run instead of chasing short-term gains and loving everything up. I'm not advocating Pol Pot here, but it's clear we're too dependent on others nowadays and we need to start learning how to do things for ourselves again. What do you think all you "gently caress the police" guys are calling for, exactly? Pompous Explainer posted:almost word for word his ideology Reluctant Aspirant posted:Well I can't say you're wrong, I don't hate leftists as much as him though, I consider myself a leftist divorced from the communism train (unless we're talking about actual communes) Whew, ok that should be everything! So, look. This person WANTS to be brought in. They just need that foundational basis and from there we can build upon it. There are countless people on these forums and in our lives who want or need this kind of guidance and if we're serious about living the revolution we want to see happen then its our responsibility to learn how to engage them. How do you try to convince people in your life? What are your arguments? What foundational perspectives are important to start off with? Am I just crazy and will this thread immediately wither and die? If you're new to C-SPAM and have questions, post them here. Nothing is too basic. Nothing is off limits. I too struggle with some of the further along steps of what does it actually look like when it starts to take form. I believe this forum can really make miracles happen, so lets start with an easy one and take it from there. In solidarity RaySmuckles has issued a correction as of 22:08 on Mar 29, 2019 |
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i don't do many threads, so i hope this one works out ok one of the dangerous ideas i've gathered from my initial interactions is how prevalent "individualism" is the history of the world is the history of increasing organization and complexity individualism is a myth. we're all so deep in this together its scary what would you say to people who don't know about solidarity or the importance of working together? RaySmuckles has issued a correction as of 22:04 on Mar 29, 2019 |
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we dont need to accommodate bad faith QQcs whiners. the person youre quoting is Nerses IV, who is a racist chud.
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