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 Welcome to Out of the Park Baseball! Last year's thread. About the Game Out of the Park is almost certainly the most detailed and accurate sports management sim (NOT GAME) out there right now. It is made by baseball nerds, for baseball nerds, with all of the absurd detail level you'd expect from a team of computer programmers who love baseball. Note: if you love baseball, or management-style games, or both, you should give it a try. In this thread base ball goons will manage a fake Major League Baseball team through the POWER OF DEMOCRACY. Last year, this worked out great: either myself, another poster, our our super scout Pete Ward proposed a course of action, we'd all vote on it, and put it into play. Baseball goons in general are smart and well informed about the sport and made consistently good decisions, with a few...bad ones thrown in here and there. A few things to keep in mind: - We'll vote on a team strategy, so try and keep suggested proposals in-line with what we're trying to do. It doesn't HAVE to be, but strategies are strategies for a reason. - We are the GM, and only the GM. This means our job is to implement an overall team strategy, hire/fire the manager and coaches, and manage the roster and team finances. Team tactics, like lineups, pitching rotations and so on, are handled by the manager that we hire. - The game is hard. The trading AI is difficult to the point of obnoxiousness, player performance can vary wildly, and INJURIES after INJURIES. In other words, it is just like real life. How This Will Work I'm planning to run the sim three days a week, running two months of the season each time. This means we'll finish roughly a season a week. I'll adjust this if necessary, but this seems about right to me. I will post image updates in this thread, plus upload all of the relevant game files for everyone to browse. League website will be HERE. Anyone can participate! You all are the GM. All you need to do make a PROPOSAL on something that we should do with our team. If a couple of people support your PROPOSAL, I will do my best to make it happen in-game. To support or reject a PROPOSAL, just quote it, and vote aye or nay. If a PROPOSAL gets a net three votes, I'll try and make it happen. PROPOSALS can be just about anything. The more specific you are, the more likely I'll be able to make it happen, but it doesn't have to be specific. Some example PROPOSALS: - Trade for a two to three star LHP with at least a year of team control left - Trade Lucas Duda for whatever we can get, because he sucks - Trade Curtis Granderson for Mike Trout, because Mike Trout is better that Curtis Granderson ...and so on Some of these are easy to do, some are not so easy. If it gets the votes, I'll try and do it. I will also occasionally call for VOTES. This is when the team requires a decision. Examples of VOTES include things like our team strategy, whether or not we retain a manager, coach or player, who we should target in trades or free agency, or what kind of player we should target in the draft. Example VOTE: - Do we retain Don Mattingly as manager? Yay or nay Miscellaneous Crap Settings, for OOTP veterans: - "high/realistic" injury setting - Trading AI is "hard" and "favor prospects" - Player development is standard, but aging is slowed to .750 - Standard MLB rules, but "league evolution" is on, so the league will change as time goes on - Inflation at 2-4% per year We'll start our tenure at the beginning of the 2019 season. bewbies fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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 The Miami Marlins are the game's most worst team, possibly ever. They have no money, no farm system, no good players, no fan base, and minimal income. Their #3 hitter is Curtis Granderson, for gently caress's sake. This is hard, but teams have won big in South Florida before. Can we put together a winner with JEETS in the background and no money to speak of? Projected 2018 Record: 57-105 Team Budget: $110mm Farm System Ranking: #24  The Los Angeles Angels have a couple of good things going for them: the game's best player in his prime, an electric young two-way player (who is currently injured) and a lot of money. Other than that, their situation looks rough: a couple of albatross contracts, bad pitching all around, and uninspired offense outside of Michael "Mike" Trout. Still, they're looking like a playoff team this year...could we get them over the hump before Mike Trout goes south? Projected 2018 Record: 93-69 Team Budget: $232mm Farm System Ranking: #15  The Cincinnati Reds are one of baseball's oldest franchises, but aside from their extraordinary teams of the mid 1970s and a weird world series win in 1990, they've had very little to cheer about throughout their long history. Their lineup is solid, their pitching is uninspiring, but they have a decent farm and a bit of cash to play with. Can we rebuild the BIG RED MACHINE? Projected 2018 Record: 80-82 Team Budget: $148mm Farm System Ranking: #8  The Texas Rangers are baseball's definition of mediocrity. Despite this, they have a big and loyal following, and a healthy media market that generates plenty of cash. What they don't have are 1) good players, and 2) a good farm system. Their team is old, expensive, and nothing is left in the cupboard. Can we finally bring a World Series title to DFW? Projected 2018 Record: 82-80 Team Budget: $150mm Farm System Ranking: #28  The Chicago White Sox, aside from their baffling 2005 Series win, have been Chicago's "other team" for just about their entire existence. They've had some great players over the years (Frank Thomas) but have never really gathered the following that the Cubs enjoy. Their team this year is smellybad, but they've got an elite farm system, a big market to grow into, and a very healthy contract situation. They won't make the playoffs this year, but watch out for 2021... Projected 2018 Record: 64-98 Team Budget: $130mm Farm System Ranking: #3  The Milwaukee Brewers are a team on the decline. Despite having a solid lineup including the reigning MVP and good pitching throughout, some heavy contracts and a lack of funds are hamstringing the franchise right as it looked like they were about to challenge for a series. Do we tear it all down, or do we try and get one more good year out of the vets? Projected 2018 Record: 76-86 Team Budget: $170mm Farm System Ranking: #18 VOTE Give me your #1 and #2 choice about which team we will take over. bewbies fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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1) Marlins 2) Angels Last time we managed to make miracles happen with the Padres and their Uber farm, can we make lightning strike twice?
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Apr 2, 2019 19:49
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#1 Reds #2 Angels
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Apr 2, 2019 19:50
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1. Marlins - I kinda want to see if we can build something out of what is essentially baseball's version of nothing. I see them basically as a logo with a stadium right now. 2. White Sox - Slight homerism despite living a short walk from Wrigley and actually being a Twins fan. Also we all know there's a team waiting in the wings there. Might turn out a lot like last year's Padres team.
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Apr 2, 2019 19:51
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1) Sox 2) Brewers
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Apr 2, 2019 19:55
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1) Brewers - I want to run them into the ground 2) Reds - I want to run them into the ground, but less virulently
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Apr 2, 2019 19:59
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Popete posted:#1 Reds 
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Apr 2, 2019 20:01
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1) Twins 2) Angels PROPOSAL In the unlikely event that the thread doesn't override your bad choices and pick the Twins, trade for Astudillo immediately and make him the starting catcher.
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Apr 2, 2019 20:02
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1) Angels 2) Reds
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Apr 2, 2019 20:04
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IcePhoenix posted:trade for Astudillo immediately after what he did last time and his start this year there's no way he's not a part of this plan
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Apr 2, 2019 20:05
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#1 - Marlins #2 - Reds #3 - Do that Astudillo trade right now.
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Apr 2, 2019 20:06
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IcePhoenix posted:PROPOSAL Fully backing this.
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Apr 2, 2019 20:10
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Some things change, but franchise cornerstone cube catchers remain the same.
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Apr 2, 2019 20:12
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1) White Sox 2) Reds
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Apr 2, 2019 20:15
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1. Marlins 2. Rangers
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Apr 2, 2019 20:16
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0) c u b e c a t c h e r 1) Marlins 2) Reds
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Apr 2, 2019 20:18
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Popete posted:#1 Reds  The Reds seem like an interesting project, plus the Reds and Angels have SAS favorites on them. Can the simulation end due to the death of baseball? I feel like that's the most probable outcome of the Marlins' simulation.
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Apr 2, 2019 20:39
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1) Angels - to be honest, the first thing I thought of was recreating "Angels in the Outfield"  2) Marlins - feels like we'd be given the blank slate here
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Apr 2, 2019 20:53
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1) White Sox - I want to see the South Side actually do things, for once, even though they're the South Side, and don't deserve to exist. 2) Marlins - Because we can't gently caress them up any worse than Jeets already has. My question is, why are the Brewers on the list of choices? They have a really solid team this year, and while they are somewhat old, they aren't over the hill.
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Apr 2, 2019 21:06
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#1) Marlins #2) Do an expansion team Padres was cool but they already had a farm system built for success. Would be cool taking a franchise without a ton of hope and build it completely from scratch.
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Apr 2, 2019 21:40
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#1) Rangers #2) Marlins
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Apr 2, 2019 21:54
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1- Expansion Team 2- Reds
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1) Marlins - I like the idea of us starting from basically the ground up and somehow making a kickass, winning team from nothing. 2) Brewers - It might be an interesting balancing act seeing who to keep and who to replace.
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Apr 2, 2019 23:51
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1) Reds 2) Brewers Let us go.
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1) White Sox 2) Reds.
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We get a text on our phone. Welp. Looks like we're now the general manager of the worst baseball team...possibly ever. We have maybe a half dozen actual major leaguers, and not a one that could be called above average. We have exactly one (1) blue chip prospect (Sixto Sanchez), who we shall cling to like a baby koala clings to his mom. The good news: we have some money available. That...that's about it. So first things first, we need to decide a few things about how we're going to approach this problem. VOTE What is our approach to team building? This question determines the biggest chunk of our strategy: what is our preferred method of acquiring new players? This isn't meant to be exclusive (ie, we'll still sign free agents even if we're building through prospects), but it does determine how we'll focus our efforts, particularly scouting. PICK ONE, ONLY ONE. 1) Build through prospects. We draft well, hoard our prospects jealously, trade for prospects as much as we can and patiently wait for them to emerge as big leaguers. Note: everyone does this now, so it can be very hard to stockpile prospects and beat other teams in development. 2) Build through waivers, trades, and Rule 5. We look for young guys other teams undervalue, who are past the prospect stage, and collect them like cigar butts, seeing if any are the next Max Muncy or Johan Santana . Note: this is, for example, how the A's are doing it these days. 3) Sign undervalued veterans. We wait patiently until late in the winter, and then try and snag veteran free agents who flew under the wire. Cheap deals on quality pros like Mike Moustakas, for example. Could this be the new market inefficiency? 4) Sign star players. We pay the big money to get proven players. Or maybe...one proven player. What skillsets do we emphasize? Several questions here broadly determine how we prioritize different parts of our roster. This of course does not mean that we forgo pitchers if we choose hitting, but it does mean we'll spend more of our limited resources on hitters. 1. Pitching or hitting? 2. Starting pitching, or bullpen? 3. Starters, or depth? 4. Pick two: power, speed, patience, defense 5. Pick one: velocity, control What is our preferred tactical approach to the game? note: this is ultimately up to the manager, but we are the ones who hire the manager 1. Smallball. Steals, hit and run, pinch runners, etc. 2. Sabermetric. OBP uber alles. 3. Tactical. Shifts and matchups, all day long. Some info to help you make your decisions:  note: 1.000 is average      
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1. Marlins 2. White Sox
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As we sit down at our desk and try to figure out how on earth this could be a competitive major league team, we hear the heavy thunk of cowboy boots and the jangle of spurs coming slowly down the hallway. We can smell his cigar before he knocks on the open door. How you been, kid? Looks like you could use some help.... It is our old friend, Pete Ward! What is Pete's job? 1. Hitting Coach 2. Pitching Coach 3. Scouting Director 4. Trainer And finally, we contacted the Twins about Cube Catcher. They want our best player, Sandy Alcantara, plus a good prospect for Da Cube. VOTE Too much for Cube Catcher? Or is he worth any price?
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I feel like the only way we'll ever get anywhere in the long term with the Marlins is to focus on prospects. Use our money right now to grab some veterans and put bodies on the field, but we have no young core to work with. Along those lines, Pete, scouting extraordinare , is gonna be putting in some overtime. E: Leave Cube Catcher. We only have one good player to begin with, we can't part with him just yet. 
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Apr 3, 2019 02:12
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Prospects Prospects Prospects! 1: Hitting 2: Starting Pitching 3: Starters 4: Power, Patience 5: Velocity If we want to compete with other richer clubs we need every edge, so our Manager needs to use Sabermetrics! Welcome back Pete! We left your old job as our Scouting Director open! Oh Man the Marlins are so bad. It will be interesting to see how this goes. I see a lot of
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Apr 3, 2019 02:22
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Team Building Undervalued Veterans Skillsets Pitching Starting Pitching Depth Speed Defense Control Tactical approach Smallball Everyone in the league is going to be stockpiling high OPS prospects, we need to do something different. Pete Scouting.
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Apr 3, 2019 02:23
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Pete is scouting, end of story 
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Apr 3, 2019 02:30
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Build through prospects Emphasis on hitting, focus on bullpen and velocity for pitching. Sabermetrics. Pete is scouting director, end of story. PROPOSAL: Starlin Castro is on his last guaranteed year with a somewhat expensive club option for next year, so this is probably the best time to flip him. He's not going to bring back blue chips, but I say stick him on the block and see if anybody offers us some lottery tickets Pete takes a liking to.
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Build through waivers 1. Pitching 2. Starting pitching 3. Starters 4. patience, defense 5. velocity Sabermetric. Pete is a scouter
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2) Build through waivers, trades, and Rule 5. We look for young guys other teams undervalue, who are past the prospect stage, and collect them like cigar butts, seeing if any are the next Max Muncy or Johan Santana . Note: this is, for example, how the A's are doing it these days. 1. Hitting 2. Bullpen 3. Starters 4. speed, defense 5. velocity 1. Smallball. Steals, hit and run, pinch runners, etc. Pete should Scout.
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This is where my ultra inexperience comes in, but I do agree that iospace posted:Pete is scouting, end of story Let's put his skills into good use and focus on scouting and rebuilding the farm.
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I didn't notice this had started or I would have voted Angels just to see what kind of a return Trout would have fetched  Pete needs to be a scout and I agree about trading Castro ASAP
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Hey Pete, glad to see you're still kickin' and scouting. I say Strategy 2: Waivers, Trades, and Rule 5: We don't have prospects and in the time it takes to amass any (beyond trading Castro) would put us out of contention for 5 years and if there's anything ownership hates it's Not Winning Ever. Even Jeets, methinks. OOTP Jeets, anyway. With Pete along for the ride, maybe he'll see things the other scouts don't. I remember he treated us well when it came to weird no-name guys with the Padres. No reason to believe he won't do the same this year. Focus should be Hitting. Projection is a lot harder with pitching than hitting/fielding. Plus getting good pitching on the secondary market is like pulling teeth. Build a monstrous offense and hope we can score enough just-above-average guys for the rotation that we don't have to worry about being the Cubs. Starting Pitching. Rather we had dudes we hire to eat innings eat those innings than deal with a constantly overworked bullpen. It just never works out. Starters. Depth is for losers who get hurt. (Also I don't think we can build a viable deep roster without a seriously large amount of money, and that won't happen without putting butts in seats.) Power, defense. Hard hit balls and robbing hits. Control. Walks are bad. Velocity is temporary. Sabermetrics. Smallball is bullshit. Get dudes who get on base, moved around by other dudes who get on base (and/or clear them.) Considering all this, our entire coaching staff might be on the outs. We're going to have to rely heavily on Pete and luck, and it's unlikely that we'll be making any free agent splashes basically ever, because that's probably where the pitchers are going to have to come from. I don't expect making any extensions this year unless we have a complete roster overhaul by the end, so that's money we'll be carrying forward. I have to assume ownership is basically giving us carte blanche at this point, because I find it unlikely that any of these players are going to be fan favorites or ownership darlings considering we have a roster that consists mostly of men who indeed wear Major League Baseball uniforms and that's about it.
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I agree with the proposal to trade Starlin Castro. In fact I propose we go one step further and trade every player above the age of 30 (with the exception of Curtis Granderson.) fucking love Fiona Apple fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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