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OldTennisCourt posted:The title is taken off Sting on Nitro because WCW was a loving dumpster fire. This is the only thing I have left from the Anatomy of an Angle video I did of the entire year of the Sting storyline from way back in the day (I should have kept those loving videos  ) and I think it sums up the incredibly lovely aftermath of the storyline pretty nicely:
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I am 100% devoted to the 'Hogan got in Nick Patrick's head and told him to blow the fast count backstage' theory. The single most important spot in the single most important match in WCW's history and Hogan hosed with it out of raw selfishness. There is no part of Hulk Hogan that doesn't deserve to be a pariah. Also: Wrestlemania IX. Bad matches. Too many of the matches were showcases for new heels (Doink, Razor, Lex, Giant Gonzalez) so all the heels either go over or lose by DQ. One of the dumbest endings in the history of PPVs (oh look it's you-know-who again) 13 year old me had a watch party for this crap storm and it will occupy a unique spot of hatred in my heart until I die. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Apr 5, 2019 |
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Would it be unfair to count Beware of Dog due to it being unwatchable because of a storm loving up the PPV feed?
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It always seemed strange to me how wrestlers get a pass for loving up major shows like hogan and Nash did at starcade 97. Like if a pro athlete decided I’m going to call in sick to the super bowl they’d be crucified by the fans and media and get cut immideatly the next day. If an actor decided to stop dancing and singing on Broadway one night in the middle of a show they’d be lucky to have another job in the next couple years if ever again. To this day, I’m pretty confident the only reason wcw didn’t start totally going to poo poo after 97 was because Goldberg was at the perfect arc of his push. Everyone was invested in seeing him become a mega star. They completely hosed themselves a year later at starcade 98 and the next night.
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Jerusalem posted:This is the only thing I have left from the Anatomy of an Angle video I did of the entire year of the Sting storyline from way back in the day (I should have kept those loving videos There's a bunch of those nights that I wish still existed.
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I despise that Hogan got exactly what he wanted out of loving Sting over. Probably my low-key least favorite thing about WCW.
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I think Starrcade 97 is WCW's worst PPV purely because I think it's where you can see that it was always going to poo poo the bed, that the whole thing was toxic and unless someone had the balls to totally revamp everything and not just pull dumb loving New Blood Rising (EVERYTHING IS VACATED) bullshit but a total corporate overhaul it was going to rot to nothing. I mean the closest I can think for WWE would be Wrestlemania 9 and to WWE's credit the saw the writing on the wall with Hogan and his madness and dumped him. The New Generation sucked in a lot of ways but had Hogan stayed I could easily see WWE going the same road as WCW.
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Wasted potential is so much worse than something with no expectations attached to it bombing. Especially when it's a result of two performers absolutely going into business for themselves at the expense of everybody else.
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Wrestlemania 32 is a weird one for me because it is objectively the worst one in modern history but it was also my first live mania, so I think maybe I'm not remembering it being quite as bad as it was. Also, the way they had to throw that show together on the fly because of the injury curse was amazing. There should be a book written about the panic backstage as the top stars drop like flies. The centerpiece of course is the unbelievably insane Hellraiser-esque animated entrance video before the main event, a thing that has to be seen to be believed, where WWE fans are well and truly represented as the non-kayfabe McMahon family actually sees them: Wretched little peons with metal literally bolted onto their mouths to silence them. Then, of course, there's Stephanie McMahon in her goddamn outfit that is basically a more dominatrix-y Gozer from Ghostbusters. What a time to be alive.
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And that video package consisting of Stephanie McMahon shrieking about how she was going to take the souls of every stupid nobody in the audience still couldn't get people not to boo Roman Reigns
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DeathChicken posted:And that video package consisting of Stephanie McMahon shrieking about how she was going to take the souls of every stupid nobody in the audience still couldn't get people not to boo Roman Reigns In fairness that's probably a few people's fetish
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Jerusalem posted:This is the only thing I have left from the Anatomy of an Angle video I did of the entire year of the Sting storyline from way back in the day (I should have kept those loving videos Those anatomy of an angle videos were genuinely the best things I may have ever watched in wrestling. Particularly that one and the Austin bad guy one.
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spamman posted:Those anatomy of an angle videos were genuinely the best things I may have ever watched in wrestling. Particularly that one and the Austin bad guy one. The latter was a particular favorite of mine too (that and the run from the double-turn at WM13 to Bret's last title win at Summerslam, including the Hart Foundation reunion and Bret's "heel in America/face in the rest of the world" character) and I will defend to my dying day the Heel Austin angle. Yeah it was dumb and probably lost them a lot of money, but goddamn was it entertaining as hell and Austin was amazing. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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OldTennisCourt posted:Wrestlemania 32 Don't forget The Rock's segment where he fired a flamethrower at his name for half an hour and then buried the Wyatts. I haven't watched a Wrestlemania live (or in its entirety) since Wrestlemania 32, my interest in WWE took a dive and hasn't really recovered since that show. Me and my buddies used to get together to watch every Raw, every Smackdown, and every PPV but 32 just absolutely killed our enthusiasm for it and we got into NJPW shortly thereafter. It just felt like one giant bitter "gently caress you" to the fans more than anything else.
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Before NXT Takeover on Friday we decided to avoid the preshow (Sam Roberts  ) and instead watched Halloween Havoc 1995. It was sooooo bad. There was a monster truck sumo wrestling match between Hogan and The Giant that ended with Hogan throwing he Giant off the side of the roof. Then in the main event, Hogan gets attacked by a mummy. So so so bad
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Before NXT Takeover on Friday we decided to avoid the preshow (Sam Roberts Don't forget that The Giant was in that main event against Hogan. He was thrown from the roof of the building and lived to tell the tale. Also, not a mummy, a YETAY
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Frankston posted:Don't forget The Rock's segment where he fired a flamethrower at his name for half an hour and then buried the Wyatts. Since WM 18 I can barely tell the Wrestlemanias apart. But Gods I remember 32. It was the worst consecutive case of 'The Wrong People Going Over' since Wrestlemania IX. Actually it might have been worse than IX since even though it wasn't fun to watch as a 13 year old fan in reality at least Razor, Lex and Doink went over when they should have (Yes, even Doink...even Doink) But this. Wrong choice. Every drat match. I mean there was no right choice in the main event but the point stands. The only cool thing that happened (Zack winning the US title ladder match) got erased the next day. (I mean sure the Miz is better than Zack, but the next day?) Wyatts lost even more heat to the Rock. New Day lost to the International Job Squad just so a bunch of old guys could come out and appease the investors by beating the heels up afterwards. Dean got nothing from Brock. All that show was really interested in was feeding the present to the past. Even the main event where HHH prioritized being a cool 20 minute main event man over putting the company's pet project over in a way that didn't smooth over the watcher's brain wrinkles. I didn't so much watch that match as much as I stared vacantly at the screen while my brain kept itself occupied. You'd think a company showing unparalleled growth would build for the future...but I guess they realize they could just host bumfights and still earn their Saudi blood money. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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forkboy84 posted:Don't forget that The Giant was in that main event against Hogan. He was thrown from the roof of the building and lived to tell the tale. I have to say, in all fairness to him, The Giant looked amazing for his debut.
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ChrisBTY posted:Since WM 18 I can barely tell the Wrestlemanias apart. It's become so much worse since Vince sneezed one day while looking at a chart of numbers and decided that numbers were verboten on Wrestlemania logos from now on.
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spamman posted:Those anatomy of an angle videos were genuinely the best things I may have ever watched in wrestling. Particularly that one and the Austin bad guy one. I think I still have the videos for the CM Punk/Jeff Hardy Anatomy of an Angle i did back in the day. I'll see if I can dig them out
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forkboy84 posted:Don't forget that The Giant was in that main event against Hogan. He was thrown from the roof of the building and lived to tell the tale. OSW Review gave an interesting explanation for at least this part of the bullshit. The YETAY was meant to be Giant Gonzales, the guy with the weird furry muscle suit, which would make sense for "Yeti". However, he was having immigration problems. So, no matter, they'd just wrap an equally big guy in bandages and at some point have them "unwrapped". But in the end Gonzales never actually came over so they turned the actual Yet-ay into Super Giant Ninja for a brief period and eventually just forgot about the whole thing.
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Drew McIntyre posted:Wrestlemania 35 Veto
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MassRafTer posted:That was weeks later, the debut was bad because it was mostly poorly booked matches with atrocious production values and terrible celebrities. Could you imagine 9-11 happening during Bret's main event heel run? Or during Slaughter's? Also, I nominate Wrestlemania IX and IGF Toukon Bom-Ba-Ye (Inoki's first post-NJPW show). FullMetalJackoff fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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As someone who has never seen it can someone give a rundown of the mythical Rodman Down Under PPV? Everything I've heard says it deserves a place here.
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Are we counting iPPVs here? I'm going to pretend like we are. As a dishonorable mention, Chikara's Under the Hood always hit me as the promotion's jump the shark moment where they lost their momentum. The undercard was half-baked and the last two matches were hard to sit through. You had the Young Bucks vs. Sean Waltman and Marty Jannetty (a match that could work in Fire Pro, where the latter team isn't broken down) and Eddie Kingston vs. Tim Donst. Eddie was the Grand Champion and his run had long run its course (he was supposed to drop it to Sara Del Rey months earlier, only she got signed by WWE) and Donst was the perfect guy to dethrone him for various reasons. Supposedly, that was the original plan too, only they went with Eddie retaining in a really bad match. Considering Chikara season finales tend to end with some kind of major moment, it felt like a huge letdown. So after a great five year run from 2007 to 2012, Chikara ended 2012 with this underwhelming wet fart, followed it with an average few months of 2013 with Eddie's endless title reign continuing, then gave us the infamous Ashes storyline. They never recovered from that. I always got the feeling that Quack got the inspiration for the Ashes thing around the setup for Under the Hood because it felt like a handful of promising storylines got completely derailed around then.
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i made my dad order fall brawl 98 on pay per view and i've never really gotten all the way over the guilt of that one.
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OldTennisCourt posted:As someone who has never seen it can someone give a rundown of the mythical Rodman Down Under PPV? Everything I've heard says it deserves a place here. i-Generation Superstars of Wrestling was an Andrew McManus project that consisted largely of wrestlers either way past their prime, ones who couldn't get in with WWE, WCW, or ECW, or both. I don't know if this was one of Hogan's vanity projects but I believe it was. MRT knows this whole story a lot better than I do. I haven't seen it in ages but as I recall it's just tremendously boring, not even bad in an entertaining way.
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Wasn't there a ton of rape storylines and stuff in that show?
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STONE COLD 64 posted:i made my dad order fall brawl 98 on pay per view and i've never really gotten all the way over the guilt of that one. My local cable finally started carrying wcw ppvs in 98. My friends all put our $10 in and got a sheet pizza to go with it. I guess the pizza was ok. We tried ppv out again because we were all flush with Christmas money for starcade 98. No way it could be as bad a fall brawl. I’m pretty sure paying money for those 2 shows made a couple of them stop caring about wrestling and move on.
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From what I've read on these boards, that Blackcraft show could make the cut.
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Jerusalem posted:Speaking of 2006: I was one of the people that bought this show. Not only did I buy the show, I invited like 4 or 5 people over to watch it with me because I didn't think there was anyway that MNM vs. the Hardyz and Extreme Elimination Chamber would be bad. I sure was wrong and probably turned off 4 or 5 people from Wrestling forever.
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How was WCW Greed considering it was the final WCW show?
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SalTheBard posted:I was one of the people that bought this show. Not only did I buy the show, I invited like 4 or 5 people over to watch it with me because I didn't think there was anyway that MNM vs. the Hardyz and Extreme Elimination Chamber would be bad. I sure was wrong and probably turned off 4 or 5 people from Wrestling forever. I checked the wiki article for December to Dismember to check if the attack on Sabu happened during the actual show or the go-home episode, and found this fun bit of info: "Rumors evolved stating that WWE viewed Sabu as being "useless" in normal matches and that he could only perform in matches that included "stunts and tables and they [WWE] don't respect him because of that"" Yeah, no poo poo. What, exactly, were they expecting?
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OldTennisCourt posted:How was WCW Greed considering it was the final WCW show? It was the best WCW PPV of the year.
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Doc M posted:"Hey, it has Sabu in the Elimination Chamber, that sounds like a fun trainwreck worth seeing" *Sabu proceeds to get attacked backstage and replaced by Hardcore Holly during the show because Vince thought Lashley would look more impressive if there were more heels for him to beat* The biggest issue was this group came over for ECW One Night Stand 2 and was expecting that level of show :-/ Also I was really hype for Hardyz vs MNM because I was hoping for revenge for Joey Mercury ladder spot and it never really got to that intensity..
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SalTheBard posted:The biggest issue was this group came over for ECW One Night Stand 2 and was expecting that level of show :-/ Also I was really hype for Hardyz vs MNM because I was hoping for revenge for Joey Mercury ladder spot and it never really got to that intensity..
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OldTennisCourt posted:How was WCW Greed considering it was the final WCW show? It was the first good WCW PPV on US soil since spring of 1999, and is to blame for us all thinking 'okay, we've hit 2001, WCW is going to become good around Greed, right?' when in reality WCW 2001 is terrible up until actually Greed 2001, and there's like two Nitros after that.
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Doc M posted:Yeah, I didn't mean it like that, I meant "what the hell was WWE expecting from Sabu if not ridiculous stunts involving tables and chairs?" I got that. I didn't take it any other way.
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