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Ooh boi this is probably gonna get hot. What do you goons think of the Epic Games Store? Love it? Hate it?
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topside1246 posted:Ooh boi this is probably gonna get hot. I like the free games it gives out.
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Apr 10, 2019 02:33
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Its pretty poo poo but they gave me shadow complex for free so I guess that's my price to sell out my Steam daddy.
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Apr 10, 2019 02:39
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I think it's rear end and it sucks to use and throwing around Fortnite dollars to buy up exclusivity isn't actually competing with Steam and is frankly insulting to the consumer. There's so many loving problems with Steam that you could build a really cool competing storefront to kick its rear end and EGS has loving nothing, in fact, it's actively worse than Steam in a great deal of ways
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Apr 10, 2019 03:54
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I can't be bothered making new accounts for things unless I absolutely have to so for me it' 
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Apr 10, 2019 09:12
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I was on board until learning it's basically spyware. Ashen was cool. I doubt I'm going to reinstall it or buy anything else. Not sure how buying exclusives "isn't competing". Not competing in the way you'd like maybe, but exclusives are probably the only thing that will actually get people to use it over steam. Certainly the only reason I downloaded it. Yeah steam has a lot of extra features like message boards, user reviews, curators, a shopping cart... but I really couldn't care less about any of those things.
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Apr 10, 2019 09:39
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Epic has been shady as gently caress for years and the store is still very shoddy despite being host to one of the biggest games out right now. There is also issues in that in some countries its EULA breaks the law
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Apr 10, 2019 09:40
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOUA7lVfMHU
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Apr 10, 2019 09:48
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Who loving cares everything is poo poo anyway
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Apr 10, 2019 09:58
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The Moon Monster posted:I was on board until learning it's basically spyware. Ashen was cool. I doubt I'm going to reinstall it or buy anything else. It's not spyware. It may be poo poo for other reasons, but that isn't one of them. e: tldr the original SPYWARE  post on reddit was made by a moron who doesn't know anything about programming
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Apr 10, 2019 09:59
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Regardless of the 10CENT implications, the store is terribly bad compared to steams setup. It's annoying, miss the days of just installing the game and launching it from desktop. lmao
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Apr 10, 2019 10:08
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Another thing is that epic requires you to be connected to the internet at all times to play even singleplayer games, and that is a new thing they patched in
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Apr 10, 2019 10:22
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This is just going to bring piracy up. -__-
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Apr 10, 2019 10:24
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The witness is free on it until the 18th. I'm not a superfan and a lot of what people say about the game is baloney but it is well worth $0 for some good engaging puzzles (along with some irritating frustrating ones).
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Apr 10, 2019 14:48
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 The Epic Game store is basically worse then Steam in every way AND starts a whole "console exclusivity" mentality (even if its only time gated) that PC gaming has never had to deal with. The only positives are the free games and who knows how long that lasts. Like I wanted Steam to be better too but Epic Store has along way to go before even being on par with Steam.
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Apr 10, 2019 15:04
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Its existence only further entrenches me in my console preference. Between the digital games delivery platforms and digital streaming media platforms, they're atomizing content delivery to the point where it's come round again to a cable television package and a PlayStation being the superior user experience, which is mind boggling. I could have a shudder account for my horror, and a hulu account for series, and whatever the new criterion service is for my fancy dancy movies, a netflix account for random poo poo, cbs for twilight zone and, ugh, star trek, Amazon Prime, Crackle because it's free so why not and on and on and on... then a steam account, a gog account, an epic games account, an origin account and and and... or I could have Comcast and the PlayStation store and ignore all the frames per second and gripping television I'm missing out on. Hmmmmm...
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Apr 10, 2019 15:12
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I don't understand why there's so much drama over the EGS. Steam taking 30% of every PC game forever was never going to happen and it just makes valve fat and lazy. If it's lovely enough that it stops you from buying a game don't buy it, I plan to just use it for freebies but I hope it actually becomes a better platform than steam one day, why would that be bad? Like should three tenths of PC game revenue be going to gaben forever, is that realistic? No Wave fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Apr 10, 2019 |
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Apr 10, 2019 15:19
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They're enforcing artificial exclusivity rather than trying to deliver a better product, which is annoying enough that I'll probably just wait until the exclusive games get released on all platforms (or buy it from the publisher directly, like with the new Anno).
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Apr 10, 2019 15:23
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It's not "artificial exclusivity", as far as I understand it they're making deals with games where the people making them get to keep 88% of their revenue instead of 70%. Idk why epic is taking flak for this. Maybe blame steam for not allowing games to be cheaper on other platforms - the actually fair solution is to price adjust based on the platform's take and let the buyers choose, but Steam won't host your game in that case. I would prefer this practice be made illegal because it encourages monopolies but idk enough about legislation or laws. No Wave fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Apr 10, 2019 |
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Apr 10, 2019 15:24
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Broken Cog posted:They're enforcing artificial exclusivity rather than trying to deliver a better product, which is annoying enough that I'll probably just wait until the exclusive games get released on all platforms (or buy it from the publisher directly, like with the new Anno). One could argue that paying the game makers more money IS "making a better product"
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Apr 10, 2019 15:38
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Last time I checked Steam it was a seemingly unmoderated trash fire full of weird, cheap crap as well, so competition isn't bad in theory, if you want to devote time and energy to playing in that highly segmented space as a user while also getting a more effectively moderated experience. To me though, the more things splinter off and services compete, the less it feels like a hobby and the more it feels like a part time job.
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Apr 10, 2019 15:44
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Without epic making exclusive deals how does Steam not stay a monopoly forever? Or is that ok because it's Valve, they made Half Life and Portal after all? They've had ten years and billions of dollars to make Steam, how is anyone ever supposed to compete without finding ways to get people onto their platform? Epic's not actually allowed to compete on price because steam won't let publishers do that how is that fair or good for gamers? I'm so confused by this reaction.
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Apr 10, 2019 15:44
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Competition is fine. All these people raging over all these different launchers are just silly, weekend warriors throwing down some casual outrage, that's all the rage for this generation. My issues comes from; Chinese partial ownership, not because of security issues but moral issues (their entire society seems to revolve around cheating is expected of you, until your caught.) Poor support from Epic. There have been large account breaches, small account breaches, billing issues, support issues etc etc. Epic has Billions of dollars to play with but it takes time to put together a strong well built and supported contender to Steam and it seems to me, the laymen consumer, that they have not taken the time to do it. I am very wary of doing any billing with Epic. Needless to say this has caused some arguments with my 10 year old who apparently wants Fortnite skins for his birthday. Kids these days are whack. Epic signing exclusive deals with games that were already listed in Steam. That's just greasy. I wanted to buy Anno 1880 but after that got pulled from Steam and sent to exclusive hell it earned a hard Nope from myself.
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Apr 10, 2019 16:04
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egs lacks basic storefront functionality steam has anime they are both rear end
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Apr 10, 2019 16:07
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The first two, sure I'm not trying to sell this thing to anyone. But on the last one, I have no idea how anyone is supposed to actually compete with steam without doing that given that steam forbids price competition in their TOS. To me, that's greasier and is the real problem. If these storefronts could offer different prices this whole thing would solve itself.
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Apr 10, 2019 16:08
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NuckmasterJ posted:Competition is fine. competition in late capitalism has nothing to do with delivering a better product and everything to do with gobbling up more market share using ever-more predatory business practices, which is rarely to the consumer's benefit these two storefronts are basically sloth vs greed and it's not going to turn out well no matter what happens
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Apr 10, 2019 16:10
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Steam is good because it takes part of the 30% it takes from every game and creates a unified hub of all my gaming poo poo that otherwise wouldn't exist-- cloud saves, mod support/library, an online game library across publishers/devs behind a single login, uniform installation of games, basically perfect update system, reasonable returns, all that back-end poo poo that game studios are bad at or don't think about. Back in the old days you'd have to re-install from a disc if the developer didn't make it available online and MAYBE there were updates to download and re-authenticate video games when you got a new computer and it was always a hassle. Then Steam was like 'just download it and play your games here'. The best part is that it provides a benefit to the consumer without charging the consumer a cent, and it makes a shitload of money by charging fees to developers. I don't know how any person who doesn't own a video game company can think that Steam is anything but good for the players. The only reason not to use Steam is for businesses to make more money, it's the best way to buy and play games. It's so good at its mission of making it easy to buy and play games, people have happily bought thousands of dollars worth of games that they will never play. EGS and Origin and Battlenet are just other developers saying "we want more money" and then consumers have to deal with multiple storefronts that may or may not provide anything of worth and certainly don't share data across platforms.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:32
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No Wave posted:I don't understand why there's so much drama over the EGS. Steam taking 30% of every PC game forever was never going to happen and it just makes valve fat and lazy. Every store takes 30%, its an industry standard. It makes sense for publishers to get some money under the table and get taxed less on each game sold but it comes at the price of having to use an universally more poo poo game store client, the inability to compete directly against them because of the exclusivity and the inability for key resellers to create additional competition since EGS doesn't have the whole infinite free key to publishers that they can then sell to retailers thing. For the consumer, its absolutely a bad deal, since they dont see any of those savings. It doesn't really mean much for the developer, but its definitely a win for the publisher
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Apr 10, 2019 17:44
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Maybe I should be allowed to choose to pay extra for the Steam treatment. Personally, I probably would, I'm lazy, games are cheap, and I don't buy that many. But that's not allowed.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:52
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It’s also worth mentioning that when you consider that EGS adds foreign card transaction fees into the price, that can add up to 25% more that Epic is taking for a cut of anywhere from 12% to 37%. Valve also intentionally takes the hit on Steam Wallet cards and foreign transaction methods to keep them at equivalent dollar values. EGS is barely acceptable if you live in America and gets even worse everywhere else. Valve has been on some hyper libertarian bullshit lately, but if you think the solution is to buy from a company whose CEO is worth three times as much as Gabe Newell, you’re cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:58
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The solution is for Valve to either be worth what they're charging to developers or to charge less or, ideally, to let devs charge different prices on different platforms. I don't get why you'd actively be in favor of Valve just taking in piles and piles of money that they do not need to maintain their platform. Left to their own devices they're a 330 person company making 4 billion dollars that doesnt even make games anymore, I don't understand why it's bad that they might actually have to prove their worth to devs by offering more, to consumers by not demanding price parity, or maybe even give up some of that 4 billion by lowering their prices. No Wave fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Apr 10, 2019 |
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Apr 10, 2019 18:08
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Every store takes 30%, its an industry standard. This is true, but the level of service you get for your 30% absolutely varies depending on the platform. Valve is one of the worst about that and being on Steam is only becoming less valuable as more and more garbage gets piled onto the store.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:10
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Every store takes 30%, its an industry standard. It makes sense for publishers to get some money under the table and get taxed less on each game sold but it comes at the price of having to use an universally more poo poo game store client, the inability to compete directly against them because of the exclusivity and the inability for key resellers to create additional competition since EGS doesn't have the whole infinite free key to publishers that they can then sell to retailers thing.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:10
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Pylons posted:This is true, but the level of service you get for your 30% absolutely varies depending on the platform. Valve is one of the worst about that and being on Steam is only becoming less valuable as more and more garbage gets piled onto the store. How is valve one of the worst about features compared to what?
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Apr 10, 2019 18:11
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My only experience with EGS was getting Division 2 on it because for some god forsaken reason Uplay wouldn't accept any of my cards. So I downloaded it, it runs like absolute poo poo. I buy the game, ok pretty effortlessly. Start downloading the game and its like 55GB, I think its weird at first because everywhere was saying the game was around 40GB. After it finishes downloading the game it installs uplay and proceeds to install the 40GB of the game. Once it finishes I turn everything off to make sure something weird wasn't going on but nope, EGS just turns uplay on when you start the game from their client. It didnt delete the original 55 GB of data so I had over 100GB being used on my SSD because of it and all EGS does was boot the uplay client. Uninstalled all that garbage and wont be dealing with it again. No Wave posted:EGS takes 12, unless I'm missing something. Everyone else takes 30%. Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, 30% is an industry standard.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:12
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socialsecurity posted:How is valve one of the worst about features compared to what? To be clear, I'm talking about developer-focused support here. If you develop for, say, the Xbox, Microsoft gives you a personal contact within the company to talk about issues with the platform or ideas for marketing, they provide guaranteed marketing.. Steam doesn't do either of those. In general it feels like Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft want indies on their platform to succeed and will do what they can to make that happen. Valve adopts a "sink or swim" approach.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:13
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Everyone else takes 30%. Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, 30% is an industry standard.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:20
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Everyone else takes 30%. Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, 30% is an industry standard. "Everyone is doing it" is not a valid argument.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:27
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It’s good. It gives game devs a bigger cut. It’s not as feature complete as steam but I don’t really care and people who expect the new product to have everything an established giant does are being unreasonable. Hell half the steam features are garbage anyway like the review system that’s primarily used to throw tantrums. If you are outright furious about the epic store you are probably pretty concerned by the evil sjws ruining ethics or whatever dumb poo poo gamers scream about now. Worst case scenario having to use the epic store is a mild inconvenience.
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No Wave posted:The solution is for Valve to either be worth what they're charging to developers or to charge less or, ideally, to let devs charge diffrrent prices on different platforms. Literally where is your evidence that Valve is “taking in money that they do not need” considering they charge the same cut as everyone except Epic while carrying significantly more features. EGS doesn’t even have a shopping cart.
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