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A UBI would also make the poor completely dependent on existing power structures, and in reality, make other social improvements more financially difficult. Even the US has limits to financing although they are much larger than any other state. A UBI is still better than nothing but I would rather see social democracy than it or something significantly better.
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Admittedly, it is arguable that it is best to match the skills and potential of an individual to a task, and that specialization has its benefits. The question is if the livelihood of a person should depend on that criteria. It also gets back to the issue of skills and wages. The Soviets, in all honesty, had a bit of an issue with this since many of their scientific and cultural workers had a reason to want to live the country for solely economic benefit (and much of the politics of this followed behind). If anything the big issue of emigration itself was simply that many of the most educated and talented people didn't have a reason to stay in the Soviet Union besides the government not allowing them to emigrate. There is a point where you very well may have to accept some inequality for the sake of national interest, the question is how to control it so it doesn't become the Bay Area.
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Anyway, you could also look at it this way, a UBI in all likelihood is not going to be enough to provide a reasonable standard of living but instead would act more like a benefit check to just keep people just barely surviving. Is that reducing suffering or just prolonging it? wateroverfire posted:What does a non-commodity economy look like for healthcare, anyway? Uhhhh the Soviet Union was a thing that existed. The government produced those items through state factories and their costs were reduced from the hospital's budget, essentially one part of the government paying another part. It generally worked, although the Soviets often only had more limited access to the IP of certain medication and technology.
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V. Illych L. posted:yeah, re what ardennes said soviet and Cuban models exist to prove that these systems are viable in concept, though whether they're optimal is of course another matter Often the question is how can a nation respond to an issue with a limited number of resources and additional burdens like (for example) sanctions. Cuba isn't a wealthy country and it is still under quite severe sanctions, but neverthless it can produce often impressive outcomes because it maximizes the relative utility of what resources it has. It has its issues, Doctors need to be paid or at least rewarded further, but it is also hard to see how adding market mechanisms could further benefit outcomes. How are people in a country like Cuba going to afford to pay out of pocket for market rates for care? In modern-day Russia, the middle/upper class often pays for private care out of pocket or with insurance, but this is generally only because the public system has been purposefully strangled of funding. It is hard to see the efficiency of this beyond wanting to screw over people less wealthy can yourself.
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Jun 4, 2019 16:58
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The problem, in this case, this policy really isn't realistic and would consume a massive amount of resources, five-year plan amounts of proportional resources. Also, it really wouldn't fix what is broken in American society in the first place, which makes the likelihood of success dim. It is actually quite it is risky.
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Honestly, it is very difficult to get your actual argument from want you wrote, besides the world is becoming more liberalized. I am not being hostile, but that is just a word salad. Also, gosplan didn't assign careers even if the Soviets emphasized engineering in its educational system, people still picked what subjected they could go into. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 19:05
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Dabir posted:Ah, I see you've met ronya. I know Ronya, but it bears repeating.
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The criteria here is a commodity is part of a market, so yeah, it still isn't working for me.
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