Its About Ethics in Hiring Practices

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How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

Entorwellian posted:

We *just* had a no-show. Started with a happy disposition and enthusiasm, followed by busting my rear end setting up their workstation and everything up for this person, finishing off with not answering emails, phone calls or any communication. Second one in a row

Do you pay a living wage?

# ¿ May 12, 2019 21:18

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 03:28

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

Entorwellian posted:

Around $27-30/hr. Anywhere else in Canada it would be considered an alright wage for the education and driving requirements. It's more the location: Vancouver, B.C. The new employees we got left are either near retirement or they are very young and still living with their parents. Everyone young to middle aged has moved away out into the valley, so the few employees that we do got left either have to make 2 hour commutes from Squamish or Chilliwack, or we're stuck with low-skilled, arbitrary-behavioured locals.

That's my theory anyway. Upper management could be just loving with us.

Ok, so you dont.

# ¿ May 13, 2019 01:13

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

Volkerball posted:

It's also consistently ranked one of the top handful of cities in the world to live in. That's how living in big cities works. The cost of living goes up because of the demand, and people pay it because they want to have easy access to the nightlife, food, and events that happen there. There's always people who will accept marginally higher wages and a significantly higher cost of living to live in a place like that, and the number of immigrants coming to Vancouver is a testament to that. Canada's issue is rooted more in its demographics. It's got a very old workforce, to the point that immigration is only a band-aid.

That might be how things work in your world, but the vast majority of people do not go beep boop I have decided to make a rational trade and will move to this city to sacrifice some income for these benefits.

People just deal with the life they have and loving struggle doing it.

# ¿ May 13, 2019 16:22

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

wateroverfire posted:

There's a lot of discourtesy on the hiring side that I think is often compeltely unnecessary. In 2019 an HR department should at least be able to process a polite mass rejection email to candidates who weren't selected. Often I think delays are caused by the team a person's being hired for not having their poo poo together or having other things to do and being professionals about thier jobs but not about that, so it's probably a hard problem to solve.

A couple of people upthread talked about employment being a transactional relationship and no side having particular obligations to the other, and...yeah, from a certain point of view, that's true. If you reduce it down to its most basic "law of the jungle, everything is an exploitative power dynamic" kind of interpretation, that's true. Sort of. The thing is, though, holy poo poo do you not want to be working with or working for, for the most part, people who only look at it that way. That kind of cynicism is poisonous in a work environment and if I get a whiff that a potential hire thinks that way then they cease being a potential hire. And I would hope that if people perceive an employer thinks that way they run far, far away.

Re: Not wanting to negotiate. I don't know if that's mostly an American thing but I feel like it is? Americans never seem to want to bargain and view it as a huge pain in the rear end. As a consequence they often take too much as it's presented and either pay too much or ask too little. IMO, at least. Nobody hiring you has infinite money so if they can save a little on paying you because you're not willing to negotiate...well...they're doing their jobs and you're not.

Lol your last two paragraphs :laffo:

e: You literally say that viewing the relationship as transactional is lame and bad and you'd definitely not hire someone like that, but then are all in on the idea of an employer exploiting a potential worker because welp that's the way the world works guy!

How are u fucked around with this message at 16:41 on May 14, 2019

# ¿ May 14, 2019 16:33

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

wateroverfire posted:

Negotiating to come to an agreement isn't exploiting anyone, on either side. It's just looking out for your interests.

It sure as poo poo is when the power dynamics are skewed as all gently caress, and you fully understand it.

# ¿ May 14, 2019 16:43

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

wateroverfire posted:

Skill at negotiating salary - an irrelevant skill when it comes to getting a salary.

Again...that is some toxic attitude, IMO. Not just for an employer but for YOU. If you don't like an offer you can find a better one and tell the employer to gently caress off, or negotiate. People do both all the time, and people who are willing to do those things will make more than people who don't.

This is not at all how life works for like at least half of the population. Your privilege is shining like the sun.

# ¿ May 14, 2019 16:59

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

When you think about it it's really your own fault for being so powerless that I"m forced to exploit you.

# ¿ May 14, 2019 17:04

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

I spent 2 years working at the bottom of the totem pole at a fast-casual restaurant chain. After my first full year they gave me a $ 0.30 / hr raise. I should have been better at negotiating!

:negative:

That's also the point where I fully embraced death and when my managers told me to do something I didn't want to do I just said "No, I don't want to." It goes both ways, assholes.

# ¿ May 14, 2019 17:54

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

wateroverfire posted:

That sucks? But really not my fault and not in my power to fix.

Hmm, you know what? Eat poo poo. You clearly cannot even imagine a non-Just World.

# ¿ May 14, 2019 19:51

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

Trapped in a cycle of poverty and debt? LOL, learn to negotiate, bro. Just move on to a better job, man! Nobody's stopping you from just being successful.

# ¿ May 14, 2019 19:57

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 03:28

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

wateroverfire posted:

I pay people pretty well and employ more women than men.

edit: Some Venezuelan refugees, too.

"Pretty well" can me a whole lot of things to a whole lot of people. No offense but I don't trust your view for a moment. Maybe you should disclose your industry and the actual pay so we can better evaluate this.

# ¿ May 14, 2019 20:02

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