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Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
I really liked this movie. I liked how slow burning it was and I really enjoyed a lot of the imagery and cinematography. The whole psychedelic effect throughout the third act of the movie, with people's faces distorting like a subtler version of the Black Hole Sun video, was really good.

Funnily enough I saw it with a friend of mine who is a huge horror aficionado and it seems like the perfect movie for him. His favorite movie of all time is The Wicker Man and his favorite film of last year was Hereditary. He thought this was one of the worst movies he's ever seen. Go figure!

My question: what was up with all the mirrors? It seems like every other shot during the scenes set in the U.S. was filmed with a reflection. Then that just stopped once we got to Sweden.

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Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

BrendianaJones posted:

I can get someone not enjoying the movie, but those kinds of statements about movies like this always feel like hyperbole.

To be fair he refers to everything with hyperbole. I’m sure if I pressed him on it he’d give it like a 4/10. Plus he was insanely hyped for it so the disappointment is probably adding to the extreme response.

My biggest gripe is that the characters were all paper thin. Part of why Hereditary was so effective and upsetting is that I felt for the family. This movie was about a group of assholes getting murdered (which I guess makes sense given that it was pitched as a slasher movie). But it felt sometimes like it couldn’t decide between being a fun horror movie and a disturbing, arty one.

Henchman of Santa fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Jul 4, 2019

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Criminal Minded posted:

Sorry for caps, I'm copying and pasting my own comments from elsewhere, just gonna drop this all:

I am glad I’m not the only one who got major Seth Rogen vibes from Christian. The way he delivered his line to Dani about how shocked he was by the attestupan sounded exactly like one of Rogen’s line reads minus the rasp.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
I think every straight woman I know has dated a Christian and one of those women happened to be sitting next to me, seeming more anxious about that than the actual horror scenes. When Dani said “it’s my fault for not reminding him” the whole theater groaned.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
I had a really good theater that were definitely laughing with the movie. Didn’t catch any walkouts but I was pretty focused on the screen.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

veni veni veni posted:

So if she hadn't won the dance off would she have been toast with the rest of them, or had the cult already decided they liked her?

Also I wasn't totally clear on what was going on with Mark('s body) in Josh's death scene. Was someone wearing his face or were they holding up the maquette they made out of him in front of them? Either way it was a delightfully hosed up visual


Someone was wearing his face. I thought it was Ruben because of the heavy breathing but it’s probably the guy who yelled at Mark about the tree. Not sure who the second person was.

As far as the May Queen stuff: I thought from the moment Pelle said “I’m so glad you’re coming” that the plan was for her to be the May Queen the entire time. But I also assumed the May Queen would end up being sacrificed at the end, so when she gets a “happy” ending it kind of throws my prediction off.

Henchman of Santa fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jul 5, 2019

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

stratofarius posted:

To people who have watched it: how actually scary is this movie? I'm considering going to an 11pm showing tonight and I'm really interested in it, but I'm not the best at horror movies (though I did fine at Us and Get Out).

It’s very light on scares. There are some mighty disturbing images and some gore. Only one sort of jump scare and it’s telegraphed. I’m a huge baby and was fine.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Yeah Aster movies arent scary as much as deeply upsetting

Hereditary is very scary in the traditional sense!!!

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

The argument I’ve seen from a couple people is that if you grant the premise that the movie is way too long and something needed to be cut, the material covered by the, what, twenty minute pre-title scene could’ve been covered in like a five minute flashback with little change to the rest of the movie.

That scene doesn't only set up the grief, it's the entire setup to how terrible Dani and Christian's relationship is!

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

To be fair they hammer that particular nail a LOT over the running time

Yeah but I think it's important that he should've broken up with her like a year prior to the murder-suicide and now he's still with her six months later because of that situation.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I think the problem is that Christian is presented as far more sympathetic in the beginning than he is towards the end, and there are a few moments of whiplash that sort of make it feel like the movie is trying to get you to root against him

Like, the basic premise of a guy who feels morally obligated to support a woman he doesnt love anymore because he knows he is her only emotional support during the most traumatic time in her life even though its draining him emotionally and mentally. Like, the opening has Christian pretty sympathetic I think. He can break up with her because they both know the relationship isnt working, but also thereby abandoning her months after her entire family died and only furthering her sense of loss and isolation, or try to stay with her while its gradually draining him and turning him bitter so she has some semblance of something to hold on to. Its a pretty interesting moral quandary.

The problem is that by the end he is just ignoring her, loving over his friends, cheating on her, etc.

I would have liked if the film had stuck with Christian trying to do the right thing in a time when he has no idea what the right thing is


I don't know if it counts as cheating when you're under the influence of a cult and heavily drugged

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Coffee And Pie posted:

I definitely had that thought, but in it’s way TCM could be considered the base essence of a horror genre, having dinner at a house where they do things differently

And another thought from the gen chat thread

She looked like 15 to me, though obviously the actress has to be over 18. I'm sure they deliberately cast someone who looked convincingly young.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Dr. Red Ranger posted:

So my gf and I are considering seeing this tonight because the trailer looked interesting and Jordan Peele's recommendation carries weight for us, but we have to ask; is this movie gruesome in a Hostel style gore porn way, or gruesome in an off screen alluded atrocity kind of way? The latter is always fun but the former is a deal breaker.

Almost everything is off screen but there are a couple of really gross instances where people's faces are smashed in. The first time you will see it coming.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

veni veni veni posted:

Did anyone else laugh when the guy who was given the serum to "feel no pain" started screaming bloody murder once he started burning? I felt like the whole theater was laughing in unison for most of the weirder parts, but I was completely alone on that one. Imo it was one of the funnier bits of dark humor in the movie, but maybe my brain is broke.

Yeah it was a very “I’ve made a huge mistake” moment.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Ape Agitator posted:

Yeah, my reaction was very similar. It needed to go more bugnuts or tie somehow very darkly into Dani in a way more satisfying than infidelity. Which wasn't even hinted at as an issue so the ending just feels chocked up to "drugs made the choice". I did totally connect with the inclusion and sharing of her pain the the village demonstrated though.

Who was the second person in the yellow house and which people did he bring? I don't remember another set of confused outsiders. Also, it seemed like a fluke that our groups Pied Piper was spared (what are the chances an outsider wins May Queen?), so there would most likely have been three living Pied Pipers in the house, two effigies, the same number of murdered outsiders, and one May Queen chosen so too many people. I get that Dani being a last minute addition allowed her to be a new villager and that Christian was always going to be the burning bear, but her friend should have assumed he was going to die in the fire as he only brought enough people to fill the yellow house.

The second guy didn't bring anybody, he was just a volunteer and I don't think he had any significance otherwise. Ingmar brought Connie and Simon. Those two + Josh and Mark were the four sacrificed outsiders. Then the two volunteers + the elderly suicides were the four from the camp and Dani's choice makes 9.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
I don’t think I ever saw a trailer for Hereditary. Just a review from Sundance calling it terrifying and then reviews before the wide release saying the same thing. Turned out they were right!

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

smallmouth posted:

Initially. They even told him it was drugged in less words. No one held him down and forced it down his throat.

No but if he's paying any attention at all to what's been going on around him his thought process could easily be "might as well do what they say if I don't want to be disappeared"

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Bloodcider posted:

Except the British couple who were the only decent folks in the film.

The British couple have no characterization

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
The cult has already approved a mate for Dani
https://twitter.com/imbobswaget/status/1150131796593598464?s=21

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Inspector Gesicht posted:

Apparently there are three scenes where Connie is heard screaming in the distance?

Yeah that’s one of my favorite parts.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
This thread is really hung up on whether certain characters “deserved” to die. It’s a horror movie. If it was all people getting their justified comeuppance it wouldn’t be horrifying.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Franchescanado posted:

For further context:

I know a couple like Christian and Dani. I've actually known several, but I'm currently friends with a 'lite' version of this. They're unhappy and unfulfilled with each other for many different reasons, but they placate their issues with trips every few months, and now they're planning a wedding.

One of them has a history of an emotionally and psychologically abusive relationship (that almost resulted in marriage). This occurred years ago for them, but the scars still affect their friendships and relationships, and probably will forever. They also have issues with family members committing abuse or substance abuse. Now they are with this person who is able to provide financial security and is technically always there for them, even though it's not actually fulfilling or healthy.

They refuse to go to counseling, or acknowledge that they have a problem. Gas-lighting, moving goal posts, condescending, and also financial bullying are commonplace between them. Everyone around them thinks they're doomed to fail, but they refuse to acknowledge what's plain for everyone else.

They get married in a few months.*

Just make sure you get the cheapest gift on the registry

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Christian’s undersold reactions to the attestupa are very much intentional

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Midgetskydiver posted:

Watched Hereditary last night after seeing it discussed so much in this thread. Aside from the acting and they really excellent lighting I didn't find it to be very good. Some of the visuals were definitely creepy but the plot just didn't make much sense.

The plot is pretty straightforward.

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Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
It’s 2:27.

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