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I didn't notice the absence of !s - if someone is shouting in the audio I don't really need anything in the subtitles to indicate that.
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Each Wednesday a new chapter of Animal Land Saga is posted to the anime's website. Even without a translation I find them pretty easy to follow along. Ch. 1  Ch. 2  Ch. 3  Ch. 4  Ch. 5  Ch. 6  Ch. 7 
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Aug 23, 2019 11:05
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This is how I'll see the characters from now on :3
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Aug 23, 2019 16:12
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Eh, I'm a fan of the Dogland Saga. 
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Aug 23, 2019 19:57
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I really have no idea where this show is going now. I watched the last three eps all at once just now, since the idea of more kid Thorfinn was not exactly something I was interested in seeing weekly, and this is certainly a different direction than I was expecting, now that Thorfinn has apparently helped these guys murder villages of people for years. One thing that kinda confused me was the language barrier since they were all speaking Japanese. I get why they did it this way, but it wasn't until the latest ep that I realized they are supposed to be speaking different languages.
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Aug 24, 2019 20:01
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Yeah it was kindof funny to hear the interpreter repeat the exact same lines.
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Aug 24, 2019 20:09
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In chapter 1 Franks spoke actual French and the comic usually symbolizes characters speaking in different language with a different font (afaik) but implementing different languages, maybe even different dialects when there's noone in universe speaking Japanese (afaik) in anime would probably be too much of a hassle
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Aug 24, 2019 21:48
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just have non-viewpoint characters speak the language they're supposed to be speaking (badly) and subtitle it tbh having everyone speak the same language with no indicators when there's another language actually happening other than someone outright saying it is maybe the worst move they could've done. it's real baffling with all the other extremely good production
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Aug 24, 2019 23:11
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Patware posted:just have non-viewpoint characters speak the language they're supposed to be speaking (badly) and subtitle it tbh If they had different accents then that could also work, although anyone who isn't Japanese wouldn't really be able to tell at all. It works for Germans speaking British english in movies.
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Aug 25, 2019 00:03
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Patware posted:just have non-viewpoint characters speak the language they're supposed to be speaking (badly) and subtitle it tbh They expect you to understand that someone who's English is speaking English, someone who's Norse is speaking Norse and so on, unless they explicitly know more than one language... I personally don't mind it and actually kinda like it, but it does shift the burden to the viewer and that's rarely a good thing.
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Aug 25, 2019 09:17
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Where the "Everybody speaks their own language rule" totally breaks down is in the previous episode, when Thorfinn is scouting the village. I'm still not sure to what extent kid Thorfinn understands English, because he was clearly able to sort both sort of say "I can't speak English" and "Run away" to the village lady, but does he fully understand what they're talking about? Is he in the "understands but can't talk" stage of English language skills? Wait. No. I just realized that when he told the lady he didn't speak English, he wasn't speaking English. Is that right? I'd thought he was just bad at it, or he'd memorized the phrase like how an American might memorize "No hablo espanol." I feel like that whole episode is a case when the language stuff really broke down, in a confusing way. It didn't really kill the emotional core of it or anything but it was distracting. It was less distracting in the last episode because it was more clear that nobody understood anybody else, except the translator, but then I just realized that when Askeladd was taunting the Frankish general...uh, was that general able to understand any of what he was saying? Like contextually it's obvious to everybody that he's taunting him but the general wouldn't be able to understand anything about his witty half and half quip...or, if he were speaking, uh, Frankish? then none of his guys would understand it. Okay, now I'm pretty firmly in the "The way language was handled for the anime was not good" camp.
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Aug 25, 2019 13:21
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I think that Japan is one of those countries which dub everything. They went the easiest route, which is not perfect by any means, but what are the alternatives? VAs talking in broken English/Danish/French constantly (and it WOULD happen constantly because there are a lot of characters of different nationalities in this series)? And then switching to Japanese eventually for a regular dialogue? What would they do if an actual Japanese character showed up? They just hope that the audience will understand everything depending on a context and up till now there weren't any misunderstandings. It's mostly just funny and I don't see any harm in this approach other than not being immersive.
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Hamelekim posted:If they had different accents then that could also work, although anyone who isn't Japanese wouldn't really be able to tell at all. It works for Germans speaking British english in movies. I don't think you have to speak Japanese to recognize e.g. a strong Osaka accent, especially one exaggerated for dramatic effect in a cartoon. (Also I could have sworn I watched another series that used it as a surrogate for speaking English like a Texan, and it was hilarious.)
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Aug 25, 2019 18:40
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There's the Black Lagoon appoach where they're supposed to be speaking English but it's done in Japanese except for in the arc where they go to Japan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F5p1_hR2Ws
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Aug 25, 2019 18:51
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I loved the way Free did it personally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsKp4sITALc
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Aug 25, 2019 18:58
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I don't think you have to speak Japanese to recognize e.g. a strong Osaka accent I didn't even know there is such a thing as a strong Osaka accent xD Maybe you don't have to speak Japanese but still have a very good ear for dialects to catch it. Different dialects are rather uncommon in my country and I was shocked to discover how many versions of English there are (I only started distinguishing British and American English after 10 or so years of learning English and I'm not particularly dense or anything). Anyway, last episode wasn't bad, even if a bit redundant. And England arc starts next week, so there shouldn't be any shenanigans with changing order of the manga.
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Aug 26, 2019 09:11
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Makatka posted:I didn't even know there is such a thing as a strong Osaka accent xD Maybe you don't have to speak Japanese but still have a very good ear for dialects to catch it. Different dialects are rather uncommon in my country and I was shocked to discover how many versions of English there are (I only started distinguishing British and American English after 10 or so years of learning English and I'm not particularly dense or anything). Huh. If you don't mind me asking, what country are you from?
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Aug 26, 2019 09:20
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YF-23 posted:Huh. If you don't mind me asking, what country are you from? Poland. You hear dialects here mostly when you go to countryside or listen to old people. All my friends from different cities speak exactly the same as I do. I think it may have something to do with standard Polish taught in schools? I've lived in Warsaw my whole life and I know about Warsaw accent just enough to know that I don't have it but not enough to try say something in it  And majority of my knowledge of different dialects comes from linguistic studies too, not my own experience. There's maybe one accent distinct enough that everybody would be able to identify it? And I think that a person speaking in different dialect is often perceived as funny, plain or exotic.It wasn't always like this but that's the reality I live in.
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Yeah my next question would have been if you could not even point out a difference between urban and rural folk. But it makes sense why that wouldn't register as a dialect immediately!
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Aug 26, 2019 10:18
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Well yeah, I mostly meant geographical dialects - city talk and country talk clearly are different, but there's so much more to it. Slangs are also dialects. What I wanted to say is that compared to variety of English dialects, what we have is practically nothing. Especially since the majority of English teaching courses don't focus on pronounciation but on voc&grammar. Also, official handbooks teach British English (technically) but imported English culture is mostly American. It's a mess v vBut differentiating between different dialects when you don't actually know the language seems impossible to me
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Aug 26, 2019 10:49
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Cities are technically geographical units. vv
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Aug 26, 2019 11:18
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I don't think you have to speak Japanese to recognize e.g. a strong Osaka accent, especially one exaggerated for dramatic effect in a cartoon. (Also I could have sworn I watched another series that used it as a surrogate for speaking English like a Texan, and it was hilarious.) Osaka accents are basically the only accents used in anime, though. Even dubs tend to have everyone except Osakans speak standard US English. Golden Kamui did have that one character who spoke an incomprehensible dialect, though.
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Aug 26, 2019 13:52
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YF-23 posted:Cities are technically geographical units. v I think of them more as social concepts tbh. But you're technically right.
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Sep 2, 2019 00:34
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Thorkell is basically  personified. Good to see some positivity in the business!
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Sep 2, 2019 09:37
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but an arm holding an axe up in the air coming out either side of it
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Sep 2, 2019 10:02
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Thorkell giving no shits about losing two fingers and waving goodbye to Thorfinn with that injured hand because he had fun is the best. 
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Thorkell's conversation with Floki is my favorite part of his introduction. "gently caress your patriotism and gently caress your money I only fight 'cause its fun, and it's only fun when my foes are strong."
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Sep 3, 2019 09:30
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Apparently episode 10 is postponed because of incoming Faxai typhoon https://twitter.com/V_SAGA_ANIME/status/1170651601234624513
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Just want to say the scene at the Roman ruins was really good. Askeladd's a great guy, even though he's a kind of a scumbag. The kind of scumbag you want to root for, really.
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Sep 19, 2019 07:26
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It's only going to get better I'm glad the anime is (finally?) done with adaptation shenanigans
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Sep 19, 2019 11:57
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So far this show seems to be about pieces of poo poo fighting other pieces of poo poo, so I don't have to feel too bad rooting for the bad guy.
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Sep 19, 2019 13:00
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They're really doing an excellent job of showing just how charismatic Askeladd is, which makes it easy to root for him even when he's doing objectively horrible poo poo.
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A big part of it is that Askeladd is deceptively self-aware. He really doesn’t think of himself as being hotter poo poo than he is in any particular regard
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Sep 19, 2019 14:56
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Whoever the voice actor for Thorkell is is doing an amazing job. I don't know if he is doing an accent or something but he nails a certain kind of aloofness that is perfect for this.
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YF-23 posted:Whoever the voice actor for Thorkell is is doing an amazing job. I don't know if he is doing an accent or something but he nails a certain kind of aloofness that is perfect for this. that's Akio Otsuka, AKA Solid Snake He's definitely one of the legends
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That dialogue at the beginning of the episode was brilliant and VAs nailed it. But did you knooooooow?  Because christian values are so distant from Norse beliefs, missionaries in Northern Europe actually presented Christ as a warrior. Old English poem Dream of the Rood speaks of crucifixion and in it Christ mounts the cross like a boss and taunts his enemies before dying.
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macabresca posted:But did you knooooooow? That's awesome. I'll have to look into that. Thorkell is Dad's new favorite character, but he's everyone's to be fair
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I feel like the whole "silent character is a secret badass" cliché is so over played that Cnut turning out to really be a spoiled child that is intimidated by everything and doesn't know what he's doing is a real breath of fresh air. Also the priest owns.
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Cnut is one of the best characters of this arc. Actually, no - all characters of this arc are the best
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