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I just discovered this thread and the fact that there was more Deegan content at all, and I've caught up in the space of three days. The alternate void and madness of Legacy. The unpacking of Star Power. The review of Classic Deegan. Goddamn. Justice for Beena.
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The way Snout is respected by everybody and falls backwards over the main plot purely by virtue of having a Good Heart and a Sense of Justice feels very bad JRPG.
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May 10, 2021 17:26
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Mookie has no theory of mind and this has been a thing that was apparent since the old comic. Whenever the audience or one character learns a piece of information, that piece of information immediately becomes universal knowledge to all characters in the comic. There are like a handful of exceptions but by and large it's literally a universal truth to the comics. Like Mookie honestly seems to lack a theory of mind. It's not just what's known, it's also what's important. It's like how everyone was going on about the football guy and the stripper all through the Storm of Souls.
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May 10, 2021 20:53
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I'm going to hate this but what's the Elf War thing referring to? Also extremely cool writing your entire saga around the value of "kindness" and choosing a disabled character to make your paragon of the magical doormat.
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May 12, 2021 17:16
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Oh, I read Star Power in the thread but I forgot it was those elves. loving lol. Honestly I think this might be worse. The Elf War was misguided, but it was earnestly political and we're engaging it on those terms. What's happening to Snout is purely masturbatory.
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May 12, 2021 18:02
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I didn't think this could get any more wanking. Should have had more faith.
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May 14, 2021 16:50
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They're perfect for each other because they're both stunted children. 
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May 17, 2021 05:32
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Snout is curious and brave, which is why every time he's presented with any information at all he has to take a walk and sulk. He doesn't even seek anything out, someone competent always has to dedicate themselves to leading him through the plot by the hand. The only time he was on his own for any length of time was finding vine lady and he just tripped over that entire stupid arc. I guess there was the time he was walking to Mongreltown but that was one montage and then Inky came back for him. Caphi fucked around with this message at 16:45 on May 26, 2021 |
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May 26, 2021 16:40
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https://twitter.com/BradStone/status/1397551413471760389 See? Mookie does have "diverse worldbuilding"!
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May 27, 2021 15:03
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This strip is increasingly, monumentally awful plot points separated by months of white noise. Just sit tight.
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May 28, 2021 16:31
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Probably but they're not as
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May 30, 2021 21:20
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That's the basic issue, isn't it? Not whether or not Snout was wronged, but the way that his feelings are the prime consideration of everyone else in the room, whether to comfort him or to go out of their way to insult him. The bad wizard wrote an entire essay that is nominally just being inconsiderate and callous towards him, rather than being specifically targeted to hurt his feelings, but as the thread asked, why is he writing about a random mongrelfolk to begin with? His report was supposed to be about the vine lady but there's a whole page of it dedicated to the guy who brought her in. Not just his relationship to her and her creation, but judging him specifically. Just so that everyone else can drop everything to judge him for it.
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Jun 4, 2021 17:44
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TheHan posted:Yeah the legacy may be bogged down by weeks upon weeks of go nowhere pages but when it hits it loving hits. After telling us over and over again how Snout’s virtue is his compassion Snout completely ignores what his corpsemomwife is going through to go feel sorry for himself. And they’re still ignoring her! All anyone cares about now is taking Snout to the library, we don’t even know corpsemomwife’s name. The unstoppable honesty of Dominic Deegan characters is one of my favorite things about it. It's easy to be polite when you know you're the main character so you'll always get your way.
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Jun 16, 2021 16:34
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This library run by orcs for a city of orcs sure has a lot of books about orcs in English. I'm not saying it can't have any, but I don't remember if it's a border town or the library itself caters to Callanian visitors.
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Jul 6, 2021 19:37
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Twelve by Pies posted:Snout did have obstacles and conflict that he overcame way back in the beginning. Like, he had to figure out how to get resin from that living tree that flipped him off, which required him to make a plan and execute it. He did get help from the Ink Witch (disguised as the pagefinder spell at the time) but he still came up with the plan himself, she didn't just go "I'll take care of it Snout, don't worry." That was also when the comic cared about being wordless. It made some sort of effort at visual composition, expressive actions, and sight gags.
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Jul 9, 2021 06:34
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The name chat is pushing it. Snout's writing their first names because Prento only wrote their first names because they're his friends. Snout does not know their full names. It's still bad writing but the thread is drastically overthinking it. We don't need to invent reasons it's a bad story.
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Jul 19, 2021 19:54
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People just get bigger and smaller in ~mindscapes~. Dominic had a whole thing where he flexed his super wizard brain on people by turning into a giant, and there was the giant fire Greg thing.
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Jul 30, 2021 17:39
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The "mommy" meme seems increasingly out of place since she's mainly just been consistently infantilized. Ink Witch is the mom in this comic.
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Jul 31, 2021 15:28
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Luna's right, Dominic not being patient with her mental/emotional problems is not remotely the same thing as what he does to her and other people all the time including literally in that very argument.
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Aug 1, 2021 20:42
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As someone who grew up with an ethnic name and knows a lot of other people who same, this feels grossly exotifying, especially on top of how gross Kaianda's situation is as it stands.
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Aug 17, 2021 15:08
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No dialogue!
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Aug 18, 2021 16:08
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Mookie knows they're both good guys now so etc. Even in Deegan he cannot conceive of someone who disagrees with you for reasons that make sense to them.
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Aug 26, 2021 01:00
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The second book is going to be named "Kindness." In it, someone gets healed of mental illness by his mere presence, and then he sulks because her doctor was kind of rude to him, and later he's present while another of his friends is grieving.
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Sep 5, 2021 23:52
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TheHan posted:The fact that there are 3 other characters on board that Snout could be talking to, learning more about, deepening these shallow bonds...and instead Mookie has Snout sitting in the corner writing about how he's bored. Why even make this comic. They're all doing important and interesting things that we'll find out about later in the most boring way possible after Snout's done moping that they don't involve him.
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Sep 15, 2021 17:35
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Joe Slowboat posted:On my second look, the postures of Ink Witch and Arudak are just hilariously flat. Like they're just standing there, and with the face-shading they look exaggeratedly embarrassed in an anime sort of way, so the whole effect is like Snout and Corpsedaughterwife are gearing up to act while the other two are just completely unmoved. Also none of them are being in any way moved or touched by the waves that must exist in a lake this big, that we literally saw earlier, and this new... antagonist? is wearing an ink skirt etc. so there's a nonzero chance this is somehow the Redactress or whatever. It's unclear! I thought it might be the Redactress but I checked and she's blonde, so probably it's a third Ink Witch who they'll let Snout name and he'll come up with the dumbest one yet.
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Sep 24, 2021 22:54
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Snout (kind, curious) looks on dumbly while Ink Witch goes to comfort Arudak in the wake of a traumatic personal revelation.
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Oct 6, 2021 19:06
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Hang on, is the idea that Snout is now mad on behalf of his friends at someone being mean to them and telling them harsh truths(?) because they were mad earlier at someone who was mean to him by telling him harsh truths?
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Nov 15, 2021 19:49
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Breetai posted:Our special boy just became a man. This is the thing and I hate it.
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Nov 22, 2021 06:34
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Midnight Voyager posted:...so it REALLY WASN'T AN EDIT????????? It's SO inappropriate and disconnected from anything that was ever happening at any point, it's incinerated the last particles of ability to take it seriously as a narrative...
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Dec 6, 2021 23:13
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So here's the other thing about this as a moment of reckoning for Snout: So far, the framing has been consistent that Snout's character flaw is his ability, not his character. "Your kindness more than your learning" and all of that. As far as Mookie is concerned, Snout's intentions have been pure and altruistic every step of the way - through the Long Flight, through the fishing, through Arudak's research tower - and the thing standing in his way has been his own lack of confidence and competence. After all of that, the idea that this is where Snout and the comic are suddenly self-aware about Snout neglecting his duty to his friends to focus on his own needs? I think that's where a lot of the whiplash is coming from. It's not consistent with his intended or actual characterization up to this point.
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Dec 7, 2021 23:06
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MY FRIENDS <3 This is gross.
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Jan 3, 2022 06:08
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She just showed him a box and he shoved his face in it. Did she buy the whole box? Was she offering him just one? Was she going to share the rest of the box with the party? Snout's hedonism consistently overrides his kindness and loyalty, between this and the chandak sex, and I wish I could believe this was setting up anything.
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Feb 12, 2022 18:37
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No dialogue.
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Feb 21, 2022 07:24
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Beelzebufo posted:I am going to resume my readthroughts, apologies work has been crazy since the start of the year. Having just caught up on this thread. Lol. Jesus Christ. How does Mookie manage to at once be the most boring writer ever, and fall into these situations where his protagonists have the most repulsive motivations possible. Because the two things are linked. He tries to address Hard Topics, but his protagonist is too much of a Nice Guy to abide conflict or be comfortable with anger, so the whole thing ends up being pathologically conciliatory while he forgets/chickens out on actually addressing the grievance.
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Mar 4, 2022 18:23
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"talk of centuries-old crimes [...] appealed to my wounded pride" Doubling and tripling down on the whole "racism is over and if you're still complaining about it you're the problem" line.
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Mar 14, 2022 06:50
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In a story that was all around better and/or more charming, Kaianda just enjoying new experiences and sensations in the background while the plot carries on would be sweet. But in Legacy, it just fucks more with the pacing and produces more chances for Snout to be insufferable.
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Mar 16, 2022 02:08
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Why bother, just call her "the Chandak" and act like it's a meaningful decision.
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Mar 16, 2022 05:36
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It's not even writing anymore, it's just normal internal narration but a monologue isn't technically dialogue.
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Mar 18, 2022 05:20
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The evolution of Legacy: - actual adventure/fantasy mystery - ???? - endless softboy nice guy wish fulfillment - wheel spinning - wait! I can make a character that is both fantasy exposition dispenser and sexual wish fulfillment! Mookie, you're a genius!
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Mar 25, 2022 15:50
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Speaking of which it's really weird how Mookie/Snout is cycling through female characters and each one only makes it more obvious how they're all supporting characters while Snout and Arudak are the "heroes" (Snout for the viewpoint wish fulfillment, Arudak for the attempt at actual conflict and internality). And yes, this was the case in DD Classic too (c.f. Stunt and the nun, Milov, anything Pam ever does). He can't ever stop himself from which characters' pathos he centers. God help us all, Luna was him trying the hardest. Like, Deegan usually introduced major female characters with the man about whom she'd provide exposition and/or conflict and ultimately validate, right? Pam and Greg, Snowsong and Greg Mk.II, Jayden and Milov, Melna and Stonewater, hell, even the main couple themselves. Legacy feels weirder because it's introducing them relatively fast and often and they're all about Snout. Caphi fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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Mar 25, 2022 18:12
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