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Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

He is absolutely reading a critic thread somewhere. Maybe not us, maybe GitP or something but he does his 3 strips each week then looks at reactions and tries to own the people calling him gross.

Sorry, GitP?

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Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

Goons in the Platoons

(giant in the playground)

GreenMetalSun
Oct 12, 2012

Giant in the Playground.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
Ah, gotcha. I was trying to figure out if I knew that...I kept thinking goons in platoons, too

Happy Landfill fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Dec 6, 2021

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Mordja posted:


Somehow Snout saying "hosed" is almost as disconcerting as him doing it.

mookie just watched hellboy and couldn't wait to add randomly-selected design elements from it to his own work

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.

BattleMaster posted:

mookie just watched hellboy and couldn't wait to add randomly-selected design elements from it to his own work

For Mookie it is important to stress watched Hellboy, not read. Despite his use of books as signifier of a better person.

DamnitGannet
Apr 8, 2007

Is his face in the first and second panels the same face but with the pupils in different spots lmao

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

DamnitGannet posted:

Is his face in the first and second panels the same face but with the pupils in different spots lmao

Hah it loving is. Chest hair matches too.

Riot Bus
Jan 8, 2020
I honestly wonder if he's trying to retroactively turn Snout into some kind of satyr. Like, is he trying to include this "uncontrollably horny" trait in there as part of that? It would at least give some motive to his madness even if that would still be a really loving weird thing to do all of a sudden.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Oh I'm 99% sure he's literally decided Snout is part satyr. He clearly didn't plan it from the start as then Snout would have already had horns, but then his satyr "playtime" obsession began, and...

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy
...so it REALLY WASN'T AN EDIT?????????

I cannot wrap my head around this.

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE

Midnight Voyager posted:

...so it REALLY WASN'T AN EDIT?????????

I cannot wrap my head around this.

It's SO inappropriate and disconnected from anything that was ever happening at any point, it's incinerated the last particles of ability to take it seriously as a narrative...

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

yeah actually they will posted:

snout is horny as hell and loves to gently caress and it's the main thing of the comic
I sort of expected this would be the direction in which Mookie would move the comic now but I hadn't expected he would retcon that it was always this.

Eight-Six
Oct 26, 2007

I genuinely don't know if the most recent page is supposed to be intended as a joke or not

Caphi posted:

It's SO inappropriate and disconnected from anything that was ever happening at any point

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Codependent Poster posted:

Haha I forgot that he just not long ago wrote that he likes hugs and cuddling. Now apparently he is a gently caress machine who just can't help himself when he's horny

Wait

Guys

Snout gets "horny" and he literally grows horns.

Did Mookie play Dungeon Keeper at some point(heh, point)?

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
Legacy starts out with three elements, more or less in order of appearance: an unconscious woman, a fish-out-of-water protagonist who finds her, and a mysterious flying object that shoots death rays. It's absolutely clear that Mookie had no idea ahead of time what this was all about, which is kinda bad enough, but what's really telling is that it's just as clear that he just couldn't come up with anything to say about them. Couldn't think up any reason for the manta-like floating death ray machine to be after the woman. Couldn't come up with any antagonist or army or force of nature the woman might be fleeing. No mysterious conspiracy, distant political crisis, impending war, natural or supernatural disaster, or escatological apocalypse that these things might be the first glimmers of. Nope. It's basically just the lady's car alarm going off.

Mookie hates planning things out, which, you know, is not great. But his ability to improvise is just abysmal. Like really, really bad. Like worse than a grade-schooler trying to fake having read the book. And there have been a lot of examples of this throughout the two and a half years Legacy has been limping along. But holy poo poo trying to retcon in that limp mope Snout has secretly been the ULTIMATE RAWDOG WERESATYR DEMON OF gently caress is just the lol beyond all lols.

Grumble Bees
Oct 5, 2013
Half expecting this to be explained away as mongrel Pon Farr.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Riot Bus posted:

I honestly wonder if he's trying to retroactively turn Snout into some kind of satyr.

Satyr requires a clarity of purpose

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Ague Proof posted:

Satyr requires a clarity of purpose
He's an Menippean satyr.

Douche Wolf 89
Dec 9, 2010

🍉🐺8️⃣9️⃣

SubG posted:

He's an Menippean satyr.

Hmm, and yet I'm still more impressed by Mookie's horny pun

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN
Snout is straight-up lying to his own diary about having had sex before. There is no other possible interpretation.

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Snout is straight-up lying to his own diary about having had sex before. There is no other possible interpretation.

Why would he write literally in his diary. He knows what he meant.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem
well everyone else keeps reading his diary so now hes trying to pump himself up a bit for the next person that reads it

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
Can't be too mad at Mookie, he's showing off his covid booster on twitter and encouraging people to get vaxxed.

Then I made the mistake of reading the comments for this newest comic and someone is calling Snout "adorable" :catstare: Snout is a lot of things but I wouldn't say adorable is one of them.

Happy Landfill fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Dec 7, 2021

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


snout writes in his diary "today I hosed!!!"
then he remembers his friends read his diary, and adds "and this is a very normal occurrence for me, very normal"

Pulsarcat
Feb 7, 2012

I wasn't too sure if I believed that Mookie would go out and read criticism and then alter his comic in response, since he practically melts in the face of the lightest push back.

But I can't explain this any other way.

Snout up until now has been treated as a child, literally wrote down about how this cuddling stuff rules like he's never done if before and had no response too naked women.

But now he's suddenly talking about loving and how this always happens when he's horny, like, I honestly can't think of why Mookie would write this as anything other than a response too people saying that this is creepy because of how child like Snout is.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
If Snout was loving everyone else would know it because knowledge in the deeganverse is transitive. Here's the first summary page from the comic, in which Snout comes up with "Ink Witch" as a way to describe the strange woman he just found:



"...some kind of...ink witch? Is that a thing?" A half-dozen strips later:



The mysterious ship, which later turns out to be hers, asks for her by asking for "the Ink Witch". Not, like by her name. Or by describing her. Or by saying "my owner". Or by calling her by any number of other possible names for ink witchcraft--the encromantrix or the pigment abacomancer or Inxana the Girl with an Ink Brush or whatever. But instead exactly the name Snout decided to use.

Later, Snout encounters magic pages that talk to him. They tell him:



It later turns out that the hand behind the Pagefinder is in fact the Ink Witch--another instance of Mookie coming up with a situation and then being unable to come up with literally anything to do with it apart from just sorta pinning it awkwardly to one of the existing characters--so the Ink Witch apparently refers to herself that way as well. Next major character to enter the narrative is Arudak. Turns out he calls her "Ink Witch" as well:



This is just one example, but it's something the permeates all of Legacy (and the original Dominic Deegan as well). So if it had been previously true that Snout was always the Demon of gently caress then literally everybody would have had that knowledge.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
This is almost as repulsive as the three amateur horseshit pages of hardcore sex this idiot drew

MiracleFlare
Mar 27, 2012

Pulsarcat posted:

I wasn't too sure if I believed that Mookie would go out and read criticism and then alter his comic in response, since he practically melts in the face of the lightest push back.

But I can't explain this any other way.

Snout up until now has been treated as a child, literally wrote down about how this cuddling stuff rules like he's never done if before and had no response too naked women.

But now he's suddenly talking about loving and how this always happens when he's horny, like, I honestly can't think of why Mookie would write this as anything other than a response too people saying that this is creepy because of how child like Snout is.

That's how I read it too. And to be fair, if this were any other writer I'd accept why they would want to assert that their character is an adult with full autonomy. irl a lot of disabled adults have to deal with being infantalized and desexualized. Of course Snout being deaf has nothing to do with his abhorrent personality (aside from the time Bad Orc said it made him helpless, which... Snout sort of is, independent of any disability) and I don't believe anyone in this thread was suggesting it did. But I can see why someone might still be comfortable with him being called a child and want to set the record straight.

But this is not another writer, this is Mookie. He himself is responsible for Snout losing his agency and his ability to stand up for himself as the story's gone on. Even taking away any comparisons to being childlike, Snout sulks when attention is not constantly on him, gets self-pitying at even the mildest criticism like "don't eat before dinnertime"*, and wanders around waiting for events to happen to him instead of acting with direction and purpose. It's difficult to reconcile this with Snout's stated trait of being too kind for his own good, and it's difficult to criticize Snout without summing him up as, at best, immature.

Also Mookie used Snout trying to "cure" his deafness and curing Arudak's back problems as cheap gags, which is a whole loving can of worms on its own and further convinces me he's not giving much thought to how he portrays his disabled characters. So, yeah, I'm not reading this as an attempt to address and subvert societal prejudices. It feels more like an attempt to own the haters.

(* I will give that it's still lovely that the half-orc yanked his tail and is again analogous to how disabled people are treated. But that wasn't what Snout was upset about, so I don't think we're meant to read too deep into that.)

Y'know, I could maybe buy the idea that Snout knows he makes stupid decisions when horny, and that he's fine with casual hookups but afraid of screwing up his friendships with IW/Kaianda and that's why he's strictly platonic with them. These are pretty common tropes, and Mookie loves tropes. Thing is, there's been almost nothing in the past to suggest Snout is having the kind of internal conflict this would cause! At most he's been uncomfortable with people crawling into his bed, and until now the easy assumption is that he was, understandably, uncomfortable with having his personal space violated. But even the fully consensual snuggling hasn't had any implication that Snout has conflicted feelings about sexuality and intimacy. So again, it feels like a retcon of his past behavior.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
Yeah, if it had actually been baked into the plot from the start (and it was written by a better writer than Mookie) then the idea that a character undergoes a radical physical transformation whenever aroused is something that could work. I mean it's a little trite and on the nose, but whatever. And if that was true then it's absolutely that would inform how you constructed all of those cuddling scenes. Like that then becomes a central conflict for the character--liking and wanting to be intimate with someone you like but also being worried about the potential consequences of that intimacy and/or your ability to handle it. And lord knows Legacy and Snout could use a central conflict of some sort. But that's absolutely not present in any of those scenes, even in retrospect and judged with an eye that's very sympathetic to such a reading.

And that all being said, if where he's trying to take this is that Snout is basically the Hulk only for horniness instead of rage...let's just say that the guy who thought "sexy rapist" was an idea worth developing is the last guy I'd want to handle the idea.

Powerful Katrinka
Oct 11, 2021

an admin fat fingered a permaban and all i got was this lousy av

Emrikol posted:

I'm back to thinking that Mookie must surely read this thread, because I can't imagine anyone deciding that those gross shoulder lumps people have expressed their displeasure at were actually the throbbing tips of a cluster of erectile shoulder cocks all on their own.

The sex transformation makes perfect sense as a Mookie-ism, as Snout erupting into dicks when he's down to gently caress skips the need for dialogue, and also provides an outward indicator retroactively proving that all the naked cuddling Snout does is totally non-sexual on his part.

Congratulations, Emrikol, for calling it on pg 163

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story

glenn's right

SubG posted:

This is just one example, but it's something the permeates all of Legacy (and the original Dominic Deegan as well). So if it had been previously true that Snout was always the Demon of gently caress then literally everybody would have had that knowledge.

You're using the right formula but coming up with the wrong conclusion. Mookie suddenly making Snout the Demon of gently caress doesn't imply that everyone would have already known it. What the comics you've shown prove is that from now on, everyone they meet will now know that Snout is the Demon of gently caress. As an example, if Snout goes back and tells his friends what happened or if they see the vestiges of his gently caress horns, they will immediately recognize Snout is the Demon of gently caress. They will know everything about the Demon of gently caress and be very shocked that they didn't realize Snout was the Demon of gently caress, because they have heard so much about his mighty and powerful fucks, in fact everyone across the land has heard stories of the Demon of gently caress for years. They just didn't realize it was Snout because he is so timid and kind, so how could they have known?

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

SubG posted:

Yeah, if it had actually been baked into the plot from the start (and it was written by a better writer than Mookie) then the idea that a character undergoes a radical physical transformation whenever aroused is something that could work. I mean it's a little trite and on the nose, but whatever. And if that was true then it's absolutely that would inform how you constructed all of those cuddling scenes. Like that then becomes a central conflict for the character--liking and wanting to be intimate with someone you like but also being worried about the potential consequences of that intimacy and/or your ability to handle it. And lord knows Legacy and Snout could use a central conflict of some sort. But that's absolutely not present in any of those scenes, even in retrospect and judged with an eye that's very sympathetic to such a reading.

And that all being said, if where he's trying to take this is that Snout is basically the Hulk only for horniness instead of rage...let's just say that the guy who thought "sexy rapist" was an idea worth developing is the last guy I'd want to handle the idea.

This might work if the themes of the comic were ever about sex, at all, ever. Up to this point what was special about Snout were his dream vision powers, and then suddenly we learn he transforms when horny? What does that have to do with his established character or dreams or anything else in the story at all?

But hey, "the sex is the point", I guess. Which means absolutely nothing.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

At least we now know that when Snout was engrossed in reading all that mongrelfolk pornography he wasn't turned on at all.

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.

Look at him vs now. Look at him

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Twelve by Pies posted:

You're using the right formula but coming up with the wrong conclusion. Mookie suddenly making Snout the Demon of gently caress doesn't imply that everyone would have already known it. What the comics you've shown prove is that from now on, everyone they meet will now know that Snout is the Demon of gently caress. As an example, if Snout goes back and tells his friends what happened or if they see the vestiges of his gently caress horns, they will immediately recognize Snout is the Demon of gently caress. They will know everything about the Demon of gently caress and be very shocked that they didn't realize Snout was the Demon of gently caress, because they have heard so much about his mighty and powerful fucks, in fact everyone across the land has heard stories of the Demon of gently caress for years. They just didn't realize it was Snout because he is so timid and kind, so how could they have known?
No, I agree. My point isn't that it can't happen now--I agree that if Mookie has in fact decided that Snout is the Demon of gently caress then suddenly the deeganverse will spontaneously re-align itself so that everyone has always known all about Demons of gently caress and is fully versed in their lore and marginalia and also several things that previously happened in the plot are totally explained by Snout having always been the Demon of gently caress (like, I dunno, it'll turn out that corpsemom attacked Snout that one time because mumble mumble corpsevines mumble mumble the Demon of gently caress). My point is that the fact that this all hasn't already happened tells us that Snout hasn't always been the Demon of gently caress until this very minute.

It also means that Snout's the Keymaster or whatever that opens the way to Asinotaph, if that wasn't already obvious just because he's the main character, because one of the like four things we know about Asinotaph is that it is accessible through "some combination of order, renewal, and the threefold self". So Snout the mope and Snout the Demon of gently caress is also Snout the something else no doubt boringly literal, the question now is just what it is.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Oopsy-doopsy! I made a wittle fucky-wucky ><

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3
This is the first time Mookie has said "gently caress" in one of his comics. There's definitely more heinous things going on here, but that caught my eye as well.

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Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

He's such a bonehead

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