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fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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double post sort of

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fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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I am so Epstein brained and drunk that my mind’s reaction to it being easier to wipe my counters than expected after cooking was “how does this figure in? who is trying to silence this mess?” love it. crack ping.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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I just found out that the guy who wrote The Exorcist and directed the 3rd film served in the airforce’d psychological warfare division and had a bunch of weird beliefs about christianity and the afterlife. Feel free to connect your cork board, folks.

fr0id has issued a correction as of 04:46 on Nov 30, 2020

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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What do folks think of Shutter Island? The premise is a US Marshal travels to an island housing a “radical new kind of criminal asylum” to investigate an escaped patient/prisoner.

Mild Spoilers: the marshal begins to expect some kind of secret government operation going on.

medium spoilers: the Marshal meets someone who tells him he’s been dosed with neuroleptics and they’re going to call him insane and trap him there. the most CSPAM part of the movie.

major spoilers: the Marshall confronts the head doctor and is told this has all been an elaborate Roleplay along with his delusional belief he fabricated in order to not take responsibility for an actual past trauma.

The movie tends to strongly endorse that final spoiler as the truth.

What do folks think? Scorsese has touched on conspiracy topics before with his mafia movies, especially The Irishman.

fr0id has issued a correction as of 00:06 on Feb 22, 2021

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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I’m gonna stick up for psychology a bit. First, this is a book written in the very early 2000s and it mentions two psychologists who were most prominent 40-50 years ago. Psychology has changed a lot since then, and there have been large feminist and otherwise movements to break ties with Freud. In most college courses he is given credit for the subconscious. Jung is mostly treated as a vocabulary term.

A lot of the statements against psychology are true to an extent, but they don’t constitute enough evidence to destroy the field. There has been a lot of productive and even leftist work done in the field since the 50s.

fr0id has issued a correction as of 05:58 on Apr 9, 2021

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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what do folks think of lake city quiet pills? the basics are that a guy on Reddit claiming to be a WWII vet who was a prolific early Reddit poster and moderated the r/jailbait subreddit was connected to an image host for porn called lake city quiet pills. The image host apparently had a hidden message board that appeared to be advertising military contract work. I remember during the big push SA did to notify the public about all the pedo poo poo on Reddit that it was revealed a lot of the mods of those subreddits were in communication and friends with Reddit employees.

also, I learned today about Larry Hillblom, the “H” founder of the DHL company, who was a notorious epstein-esque pedo who may have faked his own death. another one for folks to look up.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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lol I posted before reading the last couple pages and holy poo poo that apa article.

I’ve posted before in here that I don’t think psychology as a field is totally awful, but I feel the strong need to change that to therapy as a field. it’s only effective on an individual level, but it can be helpful.

that said, broader associations of psychologists tend to be at best agents of capital. something that will stick with me forever is a friend of mine (diagnosed with borderline personality disorder) telling me that the DSM (the america-only guide to diagnosing mental disorders) is just a guide to acceptable behavior in society at the time it is published. this is very true. not for 100% of cases; I work with folks with severe mental disorders and anyone who witnesses them can tell you that schizophrenia or a manic episode are not just someone disagreeing with societal norms.

however, so many of these disorders are a result of prolonged trauma and a person trying to cope with it. and capitalism is traumatic. insurance companies could cure so many “mental illnesses” by just giving people direct payouts rather than pharmacies. instead it’s 1200 bucks for medicine. 1200 bucks extra a month in income is incredible.

anyway yeah. the apa declaring being a socialist is mental illness is entirely in their purview. one of the major demographic Elizabeth Warren voters was psychologists. but it’s bull poo poo. individual therapy works and research into it is good. but so much of it is absolutely terrible.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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I’m just a lurker, but it seems like PMJ’s fallback is about loved they’ve lost in the last year and a half for mental health (and maybe from a vaccine? I dunno) reasons. When confronted by folks who have lost loved ones to covid, I haven’t really seen any response from PMJ. I don’t think this thread works very well when it’s talking about firsthand experiences from posters, since the obvious first response is “okay prove it.” Lots of emotions get involved, people get super pissy.

I do think for PMJ that they wanted to make a point of “this narrative of the security guards being injected with something is going to eventually come back to discredit anti vaxxers by acting like they all think that people are injecting people at concerts.” I think that connection is really tenuous as more context has come out, and I think PMJ has really strong really personal feelings about this topic.

I do think this thread is a good one for skepticism about how capital is handling covid. If folks can freely post pizzagate stuff without any pushback, I don’t see why PMJ shouldn’t be allowed to post anti vax stuff. Why not? We all know that capital is not going to let a good crisis go to waste.

I think PMJ should be allowed to post new info about their beliefs or connect new news stories to them. I also think it should be okay for people to call them an idiot and poo poo on those beliefs. either have a mod step in sometimes to be like “hey get off this topic” or let PMJ post their own thread about covid counter-narratives with the promise that it won’t get gassed but people are free to poo poo on the points made.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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this is the end game of the “men will do do x before they’ll go to therapy meme”. I am literally a therapist and this poo poo disgusts me to the core. Any “therapist” who agrees to work for this service deserves all the derision of loving dr Nick in the simpsons. No ethical standards whatsoever. What a loving sham. What a loving joke. Christ. The loving uber of dealing with late stage capitalism malaise. I’m sure there will soon be “have one friend die of suicide get one therapy session free” coupons. loving hell.

edit: men will literally overthrow the bourgeoisie before they will go to therapy

fr0id has issued a correction as of 07:04 on Nov 15, 2021

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation With FBI and CIA governmental agencies

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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it’s impossible to correctly Google at this point, but I’ve read every page of this thread and I’m pretty sure the Steve jail thing was a pixelated boat-Esque joke. Which, maybe I’m missing the joke, but I feel like it’s worth people knowing it wasn’t THAT stupidly blatant and you don’t want to push stuff that will get you easily fact checked by loving snopes.

edit: here https://imgur.io/gallery/FaZrCaH

fr0id has issued a correction as of 07:01 on Jun 19, 2022

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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War and Pieces posted:

For good or I'll, mdern psychistry is what happens when they stopped trying to cure people

modern psychiatry is about hooking people on pills that let them maintain in society and modern therapy is the vain attempt to cure people alongside that.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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my favorite fMRI anecdote was from a colleague who got to do a Practicum in a lab utilizing them. he asked about the readouts showing activations outside the physical brain. “oh we call those thought bubbles.” Very accurate tech, yep.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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one of the hardest things to puzzle through, and folks like Dave McGowan just assume they’re all real, is puzzling through different instances of trafficking or systemic abuse in the US. we’ve got The Finders (documented evidence but not followed up on), The Franklin Scandal (disproved or suppressed legally but lots of evidence indicating it happened, The McMartin School (little real evidence beyond child testimony and all kinds of weirdness around how it was collected, some weird FBI reports, most disputable), Catholic Church abuse (100% real), and Epstein (real but client names have been legally suppressed). and that’s not even getting into things that happened with indigenous peoples, black people, etc.

so like the one that really sticks out is the Mc Martin school. it was a major news story. has basically been disproven. I wasn’t alive in the 80s but I’m curious how much of a major story it was, how deeply it hit popular culture. perhaps there was some intention to have a falsifiable story be the one of these various things that really saturated media? I dunno. I know there are still mcmartin truthers and that weird fbi report that was declassified a year or so ago.

what do folks make of mcmartin and Franklin in the context of the far more easily proven and documented cases? of course, it must be stated that Epstein has absolutely been painted int eh mainstream as a single actor rather than a trafficker, and the Catholic Church as just moving priests and supposedly preventing further child abuse and embarrassment to them rather than possible darker moves.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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Ham Cheeks posted:

Was there some sort of Gladio involvement in the Jan. 6th attack?

it’s really hard to find on Google now (or even impossible), but there was weird video on January sixth of someone in protestor garb in one of the tunnels going from inside police lines to the protester side.

in addition to the whole proud boys lease being an informant arrested shortly before January sixth.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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Atrocious Joe posted:

there were contingents with Republic of Vietnam flags and Tibet flags in the crowd. probably not a deliberate move by the CIA to send guys there though. More likely the pet fascist exile groups found some fellow travelers stateside.

we also had the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot a few months before that turned out to have a ton of fed involvement that may have even spearheaded the idea. wouldn’t be the first time the feds have pushed stuff to discredit a president they didn’t like.

edit to clarify trump is a piece of poo poo but I also don’t think he was well liked by the cia or fbi

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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A Bakers Cousin posted:

so i got kind of wasted and ordered a bunch of books from this thread and looking at this stack im pretty sure if someone saw it they would be concerned

post the receipt

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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some very current and very unimportant but fun gossip. do folks think that Elizabeth in her last act forced Boris out in a “this man cannot hold sway over my funeral” thing

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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maxwellhill posted:

Hey does anyone have that pic of Epstein and Ghislaine hanging out outside the Queen's cabin (seated on a bench that the Queen's in photos seated on)



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59590576m


edit: the pedoph-isle

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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A Spherical Sponge posted:

I'm pretty sure there's an important distinction between disputing the origins of the virus and saying that the virus is mostly harmless or that we shouldn't have had lockdowns. I know several people IRL who have suffered severe long term consequences from infection.

PMJ has said that they believe the lockdowns unnecessarily killed people due to mental illness (from the various knock on effects) and that covid is not really a danger to most people and thus did not warrant these kinds of lockdowns. PMJ has noted how the powers that be have taken advantage of this crisis and has said that some of the safety guidelines suggested are just attempts at population control.

PMJ has not gotten the vaccine and stated a belief that its side effects are worse than those from contracting covid. it’s unclear if PMJ is doing any kind of masking or the like.

so, for folks who believe in the danger of covid, the importance of getting vaxxed,or the danger it poses outside of governments taking advantage, there is reason to be pissy about PMJ.

The covid origin stuff is entirely separate.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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all of this talk is the conscious brain pattern-seeking. it’s what our minds are best at. it’s what schizophrenia does to an extreme. it’s even what lets us know about our own mortality by observing others. like yes it’s good to be open to ideas and perceptions beyond what we see because it sparks creativity and new thought. but it turns out that subconscious brain activity and electromagnetic phenomena and changes in temperature and drug use and lack of sleep have all been studied and we know that they lead to what you could either call insights or just failure of perception. anyone can hallucinate if they don’t sleep long enough. or if they take the right drugs. I know some drugs can promote “ego death” or what have you that create certain insights, but in general it just sounds like very individualistic experiences that are as open to interpretation as dreams if not more so.

the very material interpretation of this is that it’s a group of people mostly using drugs to try attaining new insights in the view of a world that has a very bleak answer at this time. it’s fun to think of the nonsense and deconstruct it but it’s still nonsense.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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mawarannahr posted:

But so many people saw it. There’s no way everyone’s making it up. Heck, 100,000 people saw Fatima and it’s widely agreed that happened, why not give a chance?

there are millions of people who directly watched trump do the things that they know false pretenders do and still believe he is sent to us from god. Like do you think qanon is real because millions of people believe it? I know we’re talking about witnessing an event but I’m bringing up people who witnessed trump talking and were later convinced by other parties interpreting it. there’s a lot of science pointing out how the Fatima people could be wrong. there are a large series of events that need to happen for this to be suppressed that are deeply unlikely.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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like we have a perfectly good and thread appropriate paranoid explanation for UFOs that they are promoted disinformation possibly to discredit certain actors (Betty and Barney) or to distract from drone technology testing. but folks wants to go with the explanation that was part of a tv show 30 years ago that had government actors colluding with it.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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I get that we’re all in a weirdo area. “mothman was an ethereal being sent it warn us is equally as valid to most people as “mothman was us govt mind control project of a population no one cares about.” the difference is that the bird thread is based on local sightings with little to no government confirmation (or confirmation that it leaked ufo disinfo) and this thread is based on various government leaks including confirmation of past doings.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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Riot Bimbo posted:

maybe yeah but chalking everything up to mass hallucination and generally having contempt for the intelligence of the average person is completely thought terminating and also it's loving boring
I don’t think it’s about denigrating the intelligence or critical thinking of the average person. it’s about trying to get past the indoctrination from childhood of most Americans (guess what our public schools do) about the legitimacy and necessity of our current system. some of the most brilliant people to exist still believe in ridiculous ideas they haven’t given real thought to. intelligence in itself is a term that only has value for educational systems of children. I don’t think it’s boring to look at what has effectively taken over the minds of most people and think of how to take them back rather than regress into esoterism.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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couldn’t the commonality of experience for NDEs lean more toward a common biological experience rather than something more esoteric

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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Perry Mason Jar posted:

How does biology enable a hyper-real experience in a dying or dead brain?

biology creates the brain in which that experience occurs. environment will obviously impact that brain. but its basic structures and functions are going to mostly be intact.

it’s like you’re asking why a machine acts oddly shortly before it stops working.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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frog tech progresssion-looking motherfuckers.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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The_Rob posted:

my favorite video from jan 6th that I can’t seem to find anymore. is the guy who is on the police side and goes through a door and walks around to the protesters side.

It’s impossible to find these videos anymore. especially on something like Google, which has become almost useless for any kind of search, let alone one that the govt may want to repress. I specifically remember the video you were talking about, there wasn’t a door, but it was in that crowded (i think underground) hallway that the cops claimed to give them ptsd when you can see a dude moving from their side to the protestors. maybe it was then releasing a prisoner but who knows.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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gradenko_2000 posted:

cross-posting:



it's not a novel idea but this is just another entry in the pile of proof that Netflix is one big limited hangout

and yet wormwood. with the incredible line of the son of the murdered cia officer who was his dad saying bitterly “and this reporter said…we must be the most…gullible…family in America.”

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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A Bakers Cousin posted:

sometimes its fun to just jump into a thread and respond as you live read it regardless of how old the posts you are responding to are

yeah so have y’all heard of this dude Jolly West? Seems like he was involved with Charles Manson AND the JFK assassination. I’m sure it’s a coincidence, tho.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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lol at equating media consumption to ideological purity

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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Chomo Nonce-ky

edit: gently caress

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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Marenghi posted:

There's a reason it's called the pedo-isles. It was common to have topless ladies on page 3 of the popular newspapers. It wasn't until the late 90s or early 00s they upped the age limit for those topless models from 15 to 18.

That was the mass media, ran by old men who thought nothing of oogling 15 year olds.

the pedoph-isle

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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yeah to jump on, it does seem like the issue is whether this is a chance for those in power to use yet another crisis to gain more power and public support or whether it was an orchestrated crisis. There’s a lot of history of these crises being orchestrated or pushed particularly, including the largest one of any most people on here’s lifetime. On the other hand there’s also a lot of evidence that some crises just happen (often due to structural issues which can be eventually traced to actual actions taken, albeit a domino effect). And there’s crisis that are a mix of both.

Thing is, though, what really matters is what those in power are able to do based on the crisis. We’ve seen how hard the January 6th people have been cracked down on. and we’ve seen how they’ve been abandoned by even a lot of conservative media as deserving of their fate or at least not worth covering their plight.

I think what PMJ is doing is trying to read the patterns in away to predict how things are going to pan out and what to be aware of or worried about. I don’t agree with all of their readings, but it’s a valid enough strategy and one that is at worst advocating for a lot of extra caution. it’s worth listening to the most pessimistic take at least to be ready for the worst. I haven’t seen PMJ saying “don’t go protest” or “give up hope.” But, this is also the conspiracy thread and loving let them cook lol.

edit: this extends to the specific topic at hand regarding the protests. not endorsing any PMJ posts.

EDIT 2: PMJ not PFC lol. Sorry for conflating but I am basing this off PMJ in this thread.

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fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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DR FRASIER KRANG posted:

it's not PFC it's PMJ lol.

lol my bad.

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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what was that weird article about the cia army of spies? I remember they showed fake shoe pictures. this is the closest to what I remember.

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-inside-militarys-secret-undercover-army-1591881

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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oil as a conscious entity set to destroy the world for reawakening it rules. blah blah physics are just how it works but that counts for brains. At some point far enough back there is a decision or at least fluke of chance made to make this happen.

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fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

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the greatest challenge yet to the Epstein thread: believing conspiracies or not believing women

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