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Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

Elphiem posted:

Hope the producers aren't helping Luke, seems a bit suspect
Suspect how? He didn't go look for the clue in that raft until several hours later when it was night, so anyone could have beaten him to it, and another player is the one that pointed out the stump to him. I noticed David was actually the one that found it there and Luke immediately took it from his hand and was like "Yeah!!! we did it!" and then it was just Luke's idol :lol:

Looten Plunder posted:

I can't believe they actually managed to flip them both.... Like, that episode was shaing up to be the most generic straightforward boot with a bunch of fake tension that you can see straight through and the WHAM, it actually happens.
Abbey and Ross probably really did believe that vote would make the team stronger, but I'd also say it happened because that sporting alliance was a day one deal just thrown together based on their professions, and that Abbey and Ross noticed as time went on that they really meshed much better with the other group and it made a lot more sense to go that way. It was funny in Tribal Council when Steve said something like, "The alliance should be good, I talked to Abbey yesterday so I've talked to everyone in the alliance now." Yeah, sounds like a real iron-clad alliance dude! :waycool:


Looten Plunder posted:

As much as I'm rotting against the old sporty alliance, Steve got thrown under the bus big time with that. His comments 100% were taken the wrong way. It was literally:

:v: "Why didn't you vote the way you said you would?"
:j: *gives explanation* "Does that make sense?"
:v: "Nope...Not at all"
:j: "Well...."
:v: "Weak..."
:j: "What is?"
:v: "that..."
:j: Why?
:v: You pulled rank on the whole team and jumped."

And even after clarifying, her allies are like "She's entitled to play the game however she wants" No poo poo she's allowed to, but he's allowed to not like it.
He didn't really go too far or anything like that, in my view, but I still thought his entire criticism shows that he doesn't really "get it" in terms of Survivor. If you think people ought to tell you beforehand when they're flipping on you then prepared to be disappointed all game long. And he wasn't going at her for it being a bad move so much as just for flipping at all, which, again, hey, it's Survivor.

Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Aug 2, 2019

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Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

Through episode 5,

David calling himself a golden god is absolutely hilarious levels of arrogance and villainy, he was channeling Dennis Reynolds straight up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5_-HnVhKlw

The move to scam an idol from Shaun was a fun one, although not necessarily good. I like that he got Janine onboard (don't know why she agreed to it), and if the fake is good enough, he might not get exposed for quite awhile if ever. In that way it could end up being worth the big lie. If the fake isn't good enough, though, it's probably trouble and not worth the move. Even worse is probably concocting an elaborate fake story about what's been going on in the Champions tribe, which will absolutely be exposed quickly and reveal he's full of poo poo to the Contenders, who outnumber his people.

Andy is a great character. I love watching him toss and throw things in every single episode and I love how well that meshes with his bright douche clothes and golf visor. His smooth tossing motions are so reminiscent of a golfer exporting their swing into other sports that it sells his fake story really well, even though the fake story wasn't really necessary.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

Good season but since there's not a lot of discussion going on here I'll just dump some random thoughts from the last couple weeks

-The brutal physical challenges early are fun but make it really hard for women to make it to merge. The swimming against the current challenge was so simple that I thought it was very cool, though. Was it me or in that stacking challenge was Daisy screaming and berating Baden for pushing the tower while he was literally saving it from certain collapse? RIP Roscoe

-Agree with Pia being a good winner pick. The Champions women really blew up Dave a little prematurely though, exposing his fake idol to get him in trouble and then having to throw a challenge to save him. What?? And would they really have voted out Simon? They're playing way too "Champions strong!!" to go around risking pre-merge Champions numbers like that, but I think having got the majority post-merge, they've made it past the danger area they created, and that tribe lines will now begin to blur

-Contenders tribe and its splits were very under edited early on. I feel like Harry/Andy/Sam(who?) were way more on the outs than we were shown. Wild that when they were down 5-3 on Contenders2 and Harry had an idol, they couldn't even manage to vote together. Lots of idols for Harry, bordering on too much, and a lot of hilarious scheming, but I think he's liked a bit more and narrowly avoids being too Max Dawson the way Andy was. Dave of course is the breakout character of this season

-Speaking of Andy... This guy ended up being a trainwreck. Kept throwing out wild plans even after he'd lost all purchase with his tribemates. I didn't hate his scheme to get out Daisy, and thought it was a bit iffy that Dave and Luke chose to believe Andy they were being targeted, but still not follow Andy's plan to vote Daisy. It just goes to show, though, that they preferred to vote out Daisy's closest ally and then try to work with her after to actually working with Andy.

Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Aug 21, 2019

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

David is an all-time player/character. I like how he got like 10 consecutive episodes with "tempting fate" confessionals about how he was running the show and couldn't possibly go home.

The "stay under this grate we built in the ocean and try not to drown" challenge is always anxiety-inducing but this was the most insane one ever I think.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

Learned that the Simon vote off was actually a lot more complicated than it seemed. We saw Simon targeting Luke hard during the reward, and then that plan being shuttered when they got back to camp. We were mostly shown Janine arguing against it, but there was implicit blame pointed at Abbey also because it was seemingly in motion until they got back to the beach, and Abbey was the only person at the beach they needed to bring in. So we basically got all that from the show, but what we didn't see was:

Simon was upset Abbey had spiked his plan, and reached out to the other men to target Abbey. I'm not sure how he ended up turning around his stance on Luke so quickly, but that would have made it Luke, Simon, Harry, and Baden as a 4, carrying the vote against whatever Janine, Pia, and Abbey ended up doing. Meanwhile Abbey was willing to target Simon, using those same three men.

This made the trio of Luke, Harry and Baden the swing votes: Do they want to side with Simon or Abbey in this showdown? Either way they have the votes. The show omitted that Simon literally voted for Abbey in that TC. It ended up being a 4-2-1 vote. If Abbey hadn’t been willing to vote Simon, the guys could have voted with Simon and she could literally be out of the game!

In a way though, the show's narrative was also true, because once the Luke/Harry/Baden hinge swings onto Simon, Abbey did technically have the power to go back and vote with Pia and Janine to go 3-3-1 (if Simon still votes Abbey) and then carry the re-vote.

Anyway this extra info makes Abbey's flip a lot better since she took out someone who was voting against her, and also shows the Champs were breaking apart even more than we knew. Kind of bums me out when I find out the show leaves out big pieces like this or the Sam/Daisy feud early on.

Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Sep 5, 2019

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

They really half-rear end hiding idols and advantages on this version of the show it feels like. I would've been a bit annoyed at Luke being gifted safety with that advantage but as it happened he gritted out a tense immunity win, and it actually ended up being pretty cool how he used the twist.

I figured out what he was doing right away, but I don't know why he complicated things so much by sending out Baden instead of just protecting Pia from the jump. Maybe he was afraid they would have voted out Baden as the weakest competitor, and this was the best way to get out Abbey. Or maybe he was just showing off.

It was the best possible result for him though: Keeping around Pia, who might might vote with him at 4, while getting out the biggest challenge threat. He's also pretty much a lock to beat everyone now, if he wasn't already. He'll still probably have to win out to get to the end, and Pia could sneak up on him in that F3 endurance challenge if he wins F4, but there's not a lot of really good challenge people still playing against him.

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Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

That's cool, Luke is awesome.

I hadn't really considered the possibility of Baden winning the final immunity and taking Pia, but it made sense I guess. I think she was a bigger jury threat than Harry was, but Harry had the same story as Baden except better, whereas with Pia there was at least more of a contrast in their path. She was pretty savage at that FTC, and yeah, not exactly a surprising winner. Even absent Australian media, I think she had that "winner's edit" throughout.

I think she's a great player though, and I liked how she rejected the "I lurked and waited for the right moment" narrative that usually wins (even though it was sort of accurate) to insist on an "I was always playing but you just didn't see me" angle. It's a much stronger argument and it rang true whereas Baden didn't have much to go on.

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