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Well unless you’re an anprim I don’t see how you could be truly against the police. All forms of civilization are based on extraordinary levels of violence. Any socialist state that wants to function is going to need some people to apply violence to dissenters, remember even Angela Davis supports prisons in the context of communist societies.
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Kurnugia posted:you cannot reform a bullet striking its intended target. all you can do is melt it down and start again. with different metals. and different molds. Well how do you intend to enforce societal order in a socialist state? You can call them community enforcers or whatever and super promise they’re not actually police, but at the end of the day if they’re there to prevent total state collapse and to apply violence or imply the threat of violence they’re still police.
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Aug 16, 2019 18:34
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Kurnugia posted:if i was worried about people assaulting me on the streets, i'd carry a gun So in your ideal post police state people would just carry guns and decide to shoot anyone they see as a threat? lmao I don’t see much difference than what we currently have unless you’re a revisionist I don’t see how you can be a leftist and not support wanton violence as a means of control. Chuka Umana has issued a correction as of 18:48 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Aug 16, 2019 18:45
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Kurnugia posted:what the gently caress are you on How would you apply state violence in a post police state?
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Aug 16, 2019 18:49
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Kurnugia posted:i dunno if im im being majorly trolled, but did you actually suggest there that a prequisite to disempowering the police is a concurrently functioning and real alternative system of justice and social order? because yur right! I’m saying is that there’s no alternative to the fundamental role of the police in any civilization. In a socialist state (I’m assuming you’re all trotskyists or some other form of state socialists) order will need to be enforced and dissent crushed.
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Aug 16, 2019 18:53
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How will traffic safety be enforced without state violence? What would you do to someone who chronically speeds? Suspend their license? What would you did if they disregard that punishment and drive anyway?
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Aug 16, 2019 19:11
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puve posted:Nothing, since traffic laws are bullshit So you just think people should just drive however they want even if it puts the public in serious danger?
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Aug 17, 2019 02:27
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Duscat posted:people should drive with the specific aim of putting the public in serious danger otherwise what are they wasting all those insurance premiums for I’m talking about the hypothetical situation with cspams ideal (ie. Trotskyist Socialist) state exists. insurance wouldn’t be a thing. Also if they police have more “legitimacy” in your eyes in a Trotskyist society, would you call the cops on people of color then?
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Aug 17, 2019 02:40
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so in a Trotskyist state we just do whatever the gently caress we want on roads? I can drive at 100mphs towards you and kill you and I won’t have any repercussions?
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Aug 17, 2019 02:47
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Calibanibal posted:...No. Your neighbors will take your car away, beat you senseless and then either exile you or put you in a work camp what if I’ve already killed my neighbors?
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Aug 17, 2019 02:50
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:lmao "if it wasnt for Laws what would stop people from murdering other people" says the person with an extremely healthy moral compass I’m sure what’s stopping the chuds from beating the poo poo out of every black person and Muslim they see is their “healthy moral compass”
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Aug 17, 2019 02:52
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puve posted:Driving fast and manslaughter are different things So literally the only bar for unsafe driving is if you kill someone or not?
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Aug 17, 2019 02:52
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Duscat posted:*bang* *bang* nice cop out you still can’t answer the basic question about who’s going to apply state violence at an individual level in a socialist state the problem isn’t capitalism, it’s civilization. hunter gatherer societies didn’t have police but of course we can’t go back to that even though it’s scientifically proven to be a superior form of living
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