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 Mindhunter is show based on the book Mindhunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit. It semi-non-fictionally follows the formation and continual work of the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit, or in other words, the unit that studies serial killers. It was created by Joe Penhall and is executive produced by David Fincher and Charlize Theron (wait, what?) Season 1 came out on Netflix in fall of 2017 and Season 2 just premiered on August 16th. The plot picks up directly after the end of the last season so get ready for lots of the sets to look completely different given the two year production gap. Not much seems to have been said about the plot of the season, which is good, so I'll just list out a few of the key characters:  Jonathan Groff as Holden Ford, the lead character based off of John E. Douglas. He spearheaded the creation of the BSU and uses tactics that his colleagues sometimes think are questionable to interview their subjects.  Holt McCallany as Bill Tench, based on real person Robert K. Ressler, plays the senior agent partner to Agent Ford. From the way some of the marketing imagery looks, he might play a more primary part in this season, but it's hard to tell.  Anna Torv as Wendy Carr, based on a Dr. Ann Wolbert Burgess (doesn't really have a Wikipedia, just found the name in an article), is an academic that gets brought into the BSU as they're formed.  Cameron Britton as Edmund Kemper, a serial killer that Ford and Tench interview early in their partnership that "inspires" them to create the BSU. Not sure if he is in this season, but I have a feeling he is. If you ain't seen the first season then definitely watch it first! And here is its thread.
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I was blown away by the first season and it's been too long a wait for this one, and I'm all about Tench getting more screentime.
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Aug 16, 2019 12:15
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I'm up to half through the second episode. Tench screen time is like 80% more than Ford.
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Aug 16, 2019 12:24
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I won't get a chance to watch for a day or so but that rules, one of my favorite parts of season 1 was Ford getting all excited about his revolutionary techniques working and Tench going,"...but... we caught him using actual investigative police work....."
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Aug 16, 2019 12:26
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Been waiting a while for this. Looking forward to binge watching it this weekend.
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Aug 16, 2019 13:11
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Tonight I will get a pizza and watch this television show.
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Aug 16, 2019 13:57
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From what I can tell the Atlanta child murders are gonna be a primary storyline.
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Aug 16, 2019 14:16
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Do we know how much Fincher directed? The first one and then the last two of the season like last time I guess?
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Aug 16, 2019 15:20
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Watching episode one now. What the hell is with the puce yellow lighting everywhere? The characters all look like they're in endstage liver failure.
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Aug 16, 2019 17:15
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algebra testes posted:Do we know how much Fincher directed? The first one and then the last two of the season like last time I guess? First three, I believe. Fartington Butts posted:I'm up to half through the second episode. Tench screen time is like 80% more than Ford. Yea, from the first few episodes it seems that way and that's a grand thing, cuz Tench is rad as hell. Episode 3 has quite the funny character they interview lol "How about your family? "Daddy? He weren't stupid. Got my intellick from his side. Run his mouth like no ones. One day he... he ran. He up, and dissipated." "Dissipated?" "Vamoosed. That's spanish... for run away" Tumble fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Aug 16, 2019 17:17
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Binging all of Season 2 today, starting right now. Not surprised Charlize Theron is an EP on this is as she portrayed Aileen Wuornos in Monster (for which she received an Oscar for best actress, and the movie is definitely worth a watch. Is was made right around the same time Wuornos was executed.)
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Aug 16, 2019 17:31
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Agent Dunham's new boss is an Observer.
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Aug 16, 2019 17:43
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Kilonum posted:Not surprised Charlize Theron is an EP on this is That and this: Wikipedia posted:The development of Mindhunter began in 2009 when Charlize Theron gave a non-fiction crime book titled Mindhunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit (written by retired FBI agent John E. Douglas and author Mark Olshaker) to David Fincher
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Aug 16, 2019 17:53
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Does anyone know if the (E1 spoiler) BTK autoerotic asphyxiation anecdote is true?
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Aug 16, 2019 21:09
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Bardeh posted:Watching episode one now. What the hell is with the puce yellow lighting everywhere? The characters all look like they're in endstage liver failure. That's the way Fincher lights most of his movies.
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Aug 16, 2019 21:28
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clown shoes posted:Agent Dunham's new boss is an Observer. Haven't watched yet but this makes me happy. Also hoping for more Kemper. Dude blasted it out of the park last season.
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Aug 16, 2019 21:43
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Tumble posted:Episode 3 has quite the funny character they interview lol The sound that they had on the dude's chewing was grossing me out real hard, but man he had some choice mispronunciations of things. I think "sustpicks" was one and that got me pretty good.
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Aug 17, 2019 00:41
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mr. unhsib posted:Does anyone know if the (E1 spoiler) BTK autoerotic asphyxiation anecdote is true? The exact scene is true. His wife caught him and threatened to leave if he didn't stop. He "stopped" as she stayed and gave him books to cure him. I think the show will show it later but he ends up doing some very bizarre freaky stuff to himself. This is barely anything. I can explain more if people want. clown shoes posted:Agent Dunham's new boss is an Observer. I'm so happy they are together again! I love reunions like this Episode 2 The interview in the pickup was a masterclass and  . It was amazingly done.
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Aug 17, 2019 01:01
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Digital Jedi posted:Episode 2 As I watching that I was thinking "This guy is loving amazing and should be commended for it, but never will be." Tench was wonderful in that scene as well. And it wasn't even like a super tense serial killer scene.
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Aug 17, 2019 01:14
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edit: Eh.......
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Aug 17, 2019 01:29
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The Atlanta Child Murder case is very intriguing. It looks like there is some mitochondrial DNA evidence: a one in a hundred chance of a false positive for Wayne Williams and a one in a hundred chance for a false positive his dog on one of the child victims but no smoking gun.
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Aug 17, 2019 02:24
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Rewatching season 2 to get ready for t his (totally snuck up on me) but man after so much 'I'M A CRIMINAL PROFILER I CAN TELL YOU EVERYTHING ABOUT A SERIAL KILLER WITH CLUES ALONE' bullshit like Criminal Minds I'm glad a show actually explores the non-bunk stuff the BAU should be known for.
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Aug 17, 2019 03:01
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*Tench brings his kid into work for fathers day* "And this is my son Brian. But, we call him "Dex". He wants to be a Blood spatter analyst when he grows up!"
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Aug 17, 2019 03:56
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Episode 5: Manson time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1MmHGoKq1Y Manson was so awesome and I loved every second of that scene. The actor playing him did an amazing job and got the crazy just right to me. The actor also is playing Manson in 'Once Upon A Time in Hollywood' and if anyone has seen that, I'm very curious how his portrayal in that compares to this. Digital Jedi fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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Aug 17, 2019 04:46
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Digital Jedi posted:Episode 5: Manson time! Once Upon A Time in Hollywood: Manson is barely in it. He has like two lines of dialogue.
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Aug 17, 2019 05:32
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mr. unhsib posted:Once Upon A Time in Hollywood: Manson is barely in it. He has like two lines of dialogue. That's disappointing. Glad he got more in this! Episode 6: The Atlanta Killer actually appears for a brief second or two in the episode. Hint: He did return to the scene of the crime! I barely caught it only cause I was just reading up on on the wiki and the murderer's picture is there.
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Aug 17, 2019 06:54
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Just caught up on the first episode, so glad this show is back up and running even if I have to remind myself a little about what happened in season 1 like the whole thing with the investigation into the missing tape. "Jesus Christ, you really are a pussy..." absolutely cracked me up.
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Aug 17, 2019 07:08
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Fartington Butts posted:The sound that they had on the dude's chewing was grossing me out real hard, but man he had some choice mispronunciations of things. I think "sustpicks" was one and that got me pretty good. Ford having to restrain himself from correcting him was cracking me up, too. Little micro-shakes of his head like "This loving idio--- NO. Ignore it. Don't let him know he speaks like a retard."
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Aug 17, 2019 07:23
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Just finished and man that was a great season. I like the different focus and pace compared to the first. Random Thoughts at 3am: Felt this season's focus on Tench when season 1 was Holden's. Really liked that change for character development. Hope season 3 is about Carr. Felt like she was underused aside from the 2 interviews she did. She didn't do much more than that. Holden's panic attacks really didn't come back up much. I think in one of first few episodes he had two or came close to but after that nothing. Felt like they were going to do more with that. First season was about building a unit and this one sort of proved the unit can work and produce results. Really like them improving on it from the first and not just repeating the 1st season. I understood why they had Tench's son plot in it (Fears he sees in his son the things he is finding in serial killers) but I really could have done without much of it. Especially his wife. My favorite interviews for this season Manson→Son of Sam→Wayne Williams→Elmer Wayne Henley→Tex Glad to see big man Ed Kemper and they had him doing books on tape! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSxmnkRXE8 As the episode ended I was wondering where BTK was and boy they disappoint with that creepy of an ending. Him setting up all his trophies and press clippings on the bed as he autoerotic asphyxiates himself in the mask . That is top level creepy.
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Aug 17, 2019 09:17
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Having just finished e4, not convinced by the Trench's son plot. It feels like a dumb, cheap plot trope. 'FBI Agent's son involved in a murder' is one of those convenient coincidences that writers come up with that just doesn't feel right. Hope the series proves me wrong.
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Aug 17, 2019 12:39
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Great season. Once again skipping all of the family/personal stuff is going to be how I rewatch it in the future. It really should just be laser focused on the investigations/interviews because everything they come up with outside of that feels contrived and I can't bring myself to care.
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Aug 17, 2019 13:31
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Pablo Bluth posted:Having just finished e4, not convinced by the Trench's son plot. It feels like a dumb, cheap plot trope. 'FBI Agent's son involved in a murder' is one of those convenient coincidences that writers come up with that just doesn't feel right. Hope the series proves me wrong. Yeah I just got to that and it felt really contrived, I'm hoping it works out okay.
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Aug 17, 2019 14:44
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Does any expert have a theory on why Dean Corll killed those boys? Dahmer was just wired wrong and Gacy was beaten to unconsciousness by his father but I can't find a similar explanation for Dean Corll.
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Aug 17, 2019 15:47
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Dmitri-9 posted:Does any expert have a theory on why Dean Corll killed those boys? Dahmer was just wired wrong and Gacy was beaten to unconsciousness by his father but I can't find a similar explanation for Dean Corll. A lot of time these high body count guys are just 'normal' violent people with personality disorders who just happened to have a big hunting ground. Corll at the end of the day was a wealthy guy who yea likely did have some real trauma being a closeted gay man and all, but it was just 'he had money, access to victims, and was enough of a sociopath and sexual sadist to keep on killing and he enjoyed having power over his underlings. That's kinda the real horror of these stories, for every guy like Gacy who was beaten near to death or someone like, say, Brudos who had such a cartoonishly obvious sexual component combined with abuse and poo poo, you've got guys like Corll and Dahmer who are just kinda hosed up and untreated and had a lot of access to victims to prey on.
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Aug 17, 2019 16:55
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Hmm episode two they mention someone called The Zodiac. Not familiar.
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Aug 17, 2019 17:18
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I love that Manson sits above his interviewers, a little man locked away forever but he is still the guru.
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Aug 17, 2019 18:07
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I liked the "fag->" graffiti on the wall during the Henley interview. Kinda on the nose, but a nice touch.
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Aug 17, 2019 18:54
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Pablo Bluth posted:Having just finished e4, not convinced by the Trench's son plot. It feels like a dumb, cheap plot trope. 'FBI Agent's son involved in a murder' is one of those convenient coincidences that writers come up with that just doesn't feel right. Hope the series proves me wrong. Yeah I hate this storyline. Everything else is amazing. Is there any good documentaries on the Atlanta Child Murders. I'm not done with the season yet but I've read a bit about it. I'm not saying the guy they caught was innocent, but it doesn't seem like they had much evidence. And with a city desperate to solve the crime, I wouldn't put it past them to embellish some stuff. I've read about the DNA but they never found evidence with him and the other murders? Seems odd.
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Aug 17, 2019 19:09
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Niwrad posted:Yeah I hate this storyline. Everything else is amazing. probably the best argument it was him is that they immediately stopped with his arrest
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Solice Kirsk posted:I liked the "fag->" graffiti on the wall during the Henley interview. Kinda on the nose, but a nice touch. If you think that was on the nose, wait until you get to the Paul Bateson interview. They're interviewing this guy who was a part of the gay "S/M" crowd in NYC, and the interview takes place in this like... rusty dark metallic boiler room that feels as if it's STRAIGHT out of some leather fantasy and a bunch of guys in full-body leather Gimp suits would look totally at home ambling around there. Even the prison uniform Bateson wears is a bit fetishistic, and he has both Wendy and Gregg pegged in a few minutes, totally controls the whole interview. It was actually an amazing scene at time, but SO on the nose. I'm not sure what to make of it, but I also haven't finished the episode yet - I had to pause after the Bateson interview, it did give me a lot to think about.. It's nowhere near as good as the interview in the truck in episode 2. I had written a long post about that, and how it was this amazing, original shot and method of shooting an interaction between two people that I don't think I have EVER seen used in any other film or show before - really. I sincerely have never seen something shot quite like that before, really. It's just pretty unusual to come across a truly original shot, most every sort of device is stolen from one place or another, and maybe i just don't know where Fincher got the idea from. Regardless, it was a fantastic scene - the pickup truck scene, I mean. The Bateson scene is pretty good. kaworu fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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