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Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Okay, flak is useful...

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wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Nice playing! Well done. You're using flak great. Remembe flak mauls your own fighters andmissiles going out too so be wary when counter-batterying fire. Also remember tooccasionally cycle your ships rather than group select just so you can make sure you're tkaing note of subsystem damage and repairing. That happens not just frmo hacking but from battle damage as well. So occasionally go throughthem - particularly when a ship is damaged, to check over it.

Also if you have surviving Manticores as you saw loading them up with torpedos is viable. They get shredded quick but they get a big magazine of them andthey can maul anything badly if they can get a hit off. Don't use them on Nemesises - but a torpedo run from medium range can be rather painful.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Now I learn the perils of flak.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Bloody turn. Three Adamants, two Manticores dead. The cylons look like they're basically having an entire fleet at a time focusing fire on one ship when they exchange broadsides. Even when you have even points/forces, 5-6 ships focusing fire on one facing of a single ship adds up quick. Also the Adamants may be hitting the point in the game where they're nto as survivable. They don't have the damage output of heavier ships, and they take a beating under massed fire. But they're still the main 'destroyer' you have and that only puts your other options at Rangers and Artemis - both of which are big, costly ships.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


I'm calling this acceptable losses.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Upside is you're winning and you can replace your losses!

Also it looks like the vast majority of th eCylon fleets spawn in the.. Southeast system. So at the point the front line is stabilized you should be able to garrison and hold the area to thin out Toaster reinforcements.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Time to take on some human ships!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
... That was one of the best played missions I have ever seen done in a LP of this game.

you took on a triple Revenant fleet. Everyone survived. Well, other than your pilots.

But EVERYONE SURVIVED.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Gah, so many stupid mistakes....

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Nice work so far! you've survived.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Yeah, this is not a good series of turns.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
... Technically I think it counts that as a.. Showcasing of how the game builds random AI fleets. Three Revans, at least two/three Arachnes, and at least 3-5 support ships including thsoe that dropped in at the alst minute.. Ow.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

wedgekree posted:

... Technically I think it counts that as a.. Showcasing of how the game builds random AI fleets. Three Revans, at least two/three Arachnes, and at least 3-5 support ships including thsoe that dropped in at the alst minute.. Ow.

yeah, the ramdom fleets are a pain in the arse.
I don't think it builds them on points, just class, and the Arachnes are replacing the much weaker missile frigates, but they are so much more powerful its not even close - but the main screen will give you a lower estimate.

I've not really got anything bar Artemus class to counter, and they take 4 turns to build.
god help me when I get the larger battlestars. I'm not sure I'll have the points to feild them in the numbers I need.

for now, I feel like the campaign missions are the easier, more level enounters, so I just need to survive to get to them. I'm at 8/10 for the campaign, so I'm a good way in!

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Woo, spooky ominous portrait by someone who doesn't know anything about communication discipline....

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Well playing in a hard bit so far.

Various ways you can deal with missiles - PCM's (Projectile Countermeasures) which are supposed to take everything out. Fighters on 'Defend' - will defend ship they are assigned to and try to shoot down projectiles. Flak - intercepts good proprotion of missiles. Sweepers Deploying Chaff. Fighters can defend an area to intercept things being shot through there.

Most missile interceptions require guessing where the salvos will come in and pre-position. Overlaps don't always work (Ie, flak will shred your own fighters). I presume that defensive craft (such as Sweepers) aren't useful as much in attacking. So it might be worth it to not launch sweepers or raptors immediately into the battle until you're ready to use them. Raptors can also be used offnesively - for boarding, defending, boosting networks, etc. I haven't used a lot of the extra projectiles/loadouts so I can't speak for how effective they are.

Suggest also messing around in skirmish mode - you can probably test basic tactics there and see how they work and do more fleet combinations.

Also, irony - Autoresolve might work better here! You have lower chance of losses in the estimate so it might actually go better for you.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


STOP HITTING MEEEEEEEE!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Might it work to.. Autoresolve given that last fight had a 100% chance of victory?

Also the AI working in your favor with how it figures who won random fights is WEIRD

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


More silly mistakes.

Nuramor
Dec 13, 2012

Most Amewsing Prinny Ever!
Right, I'm a bit behind and still trying to catch up on videos, but I wanted you to know that video #30 seems to be missing in the thread. It's on the channel, but the videos in the thread go directly from 29 to 31.
..Now back to catching up in the thread and in game.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
You're doing better! Nice playing in the last vid

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets




What? They used me!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Also you haven't updated most of your fleets to Viper Mk 2's! Get into the habit of cycling them again

Also, if you use Rangers. Put them way, way to the back. No reason you can't just deploy them a full 'round' at movement away. They're intended as long range artillery. Don't have them be in missiel range and use other ships as spotters.

So, obvious solution is now to 'buy' an officer each turn you have the RP's. Keep them in reserve so you don't run out. If one dies, just throw in another, spend RP's to promote them.

wedgekree fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Sep 29, 2019

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Yay! A breather turn. The Quorum is mostly intact, your fleets are approaching line strength,and you have officers that you can call up as you need it. This is right when the Cylons will start spawning OH GOD WE'RE GONNA DIE on you now

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008
THE HATE CRIME APOLOGIST HAS LOGGED ON
in game audio is super low in this ep.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Not bad! A few missions without significat casualties and that have let you build up a reserve again.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


I'm an idiot....

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Slag has hit the intake vent. Messy few turns.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
You're doing fine iwth how much focused fire the Cylons can pump out, even with lots of little ships. You can still if they focus on one ship just set it to full defense to make it a little more survivable. And make sure you cycle through your ships to see if they have subsystem damage you can work on.

And if you make new ships and need a rally point for them where they aren't vulnerable - the big gas giant in the southwest is supposed to be safe and has no Cylon attacks. Of course, that makes them nowhere near anywhere, and several jumps to get to an actual battlefield. But also means you don't have groups of 1-2 ships waiting to be picked off. But, also means they aren't going anywhere for at least 3-4 rounds and that's presuming you pay jump costs.

And we finally get nukes! They can brutalize a ship on a direct hit - one hit killed most of a Revanche and can do the same to an Arachne. Issues - they are very slow, can't turn, and any form of PD will kill them. Also you only get one shot and no reloads. And even one hit on a Revanche only badly damaged it - it still required another couple of turns on bombardment.

However, most of the Cylon forces have also appeared on the field, as well as most of your own for the Colonials.

What the Cylons have left? Obvious. FOr you? The same.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


It's a trap!

Mighty Steed
Apr 16, 2005
Nice horsey
While we haven't seen the outcome that mission looked incredibly unfair!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Now we've seen that thing which puts fear into the hearts of the Colonial fleet. The first deployed Cylon BaseStars. They move slower than Battlestars (Which is a scary concept). They outgun your equivalent Battlestar and have better armor and a nasty set of missiles. Their fighters are inferior and they can't hack (I think). Nukes are effective on them so long as there isn't jamming up. But, they take a good 2-3 nukes to kill, and given each ship can only carry one nuke,this hits diminishing returns. They have fire arcs EVERYWHERE. Not as nasty as the Revanches/Arachnes - so might suggest if possible picking those off first before focusing fire. Also they are very slow so if you run and dance you can separate them from thier escorts.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


I survive. Somehow...

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Congrats! A win! And.. Was the Adamant even worth repairing?

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets



The story begins to progress quickly now....

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wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Losses are an unfortunate part of war. Mistakes are inevitable. You're making the Cylons struggle for each vacuum tube that Al Gore told us makes up the Interwebs..

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