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Someone was asking in the TV thread when the Aiel first show up. I think it's book two right? The horn hunting group comes across a bunch of them in some pass somewhere, they're already looking for He Who Comes With The Dawn? Maybe even Ruarc is with them, can't remember
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Cool Christ they're going to have a hard time making Aviendha not poo poo Edit: oh wait they already confirmed they're not doing the foursome/harem thing right?
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Invalid Validation posted:You’d have to start letting people fly and that’s probably harder to write around than portals. Let’s just pretend they were really fighting in a field and one powered a projection into the clouds cause Rand instinctively knew it would look badass. As to why it opens at that particular position in the sky so everyone can see.... uh... Ta'veren!
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Nov 1, 2021 17:45
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Nov 8, 2021 12:28
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I wonder how much of the dream sequences they'll include. There's a decent chunk of the first book dedicated to them and some of them are quite fun ('"We've been waiting for you" hissed the Mydraal'...) They also contain bucketloads of foreshadowing of course, but then again about half of WoT's 'thing' is extremely lengthy prophecies and watching how they come about/are made to come about. Definitely going to be interesting to see how they approach this structural element.
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Nov 14, 2021 22:09
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I'd be interested to hear from any early bird viewers what you think of the writing & direction - I don't care about much else, after all production values are likely to be good no matter what, and they are unlikely to have picked any really terrible actors (maybe excepting the Matt guy, who know though). Agreed that details about plot stuff etc being in spoiler tags would be preferable.
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Nov 16, 2021 00:23
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Nov 16, 2021 01:21
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Why is Tom singing in an american accent when literally every other accent is a kind of weird english or regional english
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Nov 19, 2021 21:03
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Well it's not the most stupid things so far in this mess. Hoping it somehow gets better The Manetheren story was good because, Rosamund Pike edit: seriously how many men are going to inexplicably be wearing crap dressing gowns (who did the costume design for this thing?) El Grillo fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Nov 19, 2021 21:30
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Sab669 posted:His coat/sweater are like the only things I haven't liked in that department I mean they're fine as clothing but they 100% don't belong on a sheep farmer who comes from a town with a medieval level of clothing production tools, lol. They belong on a hipster hanging out by the canal in Hackney Wick, east London. Which appropriately enough, is where everyone in the series sounds like they're from, except for Moiraine, Lan and Tam. Anyways, this is also not the biggest problem with the series. I'll keep watching for Pike's Moiraine though.
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Nov 19, 2021 22:30
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How are u posted:The setting is not and has never been a Medieval setting. It is more of a 17th century without widespread gunpowder setting.
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Nov 19, 2021 22:46
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Hexel posted:From the AMA this was the most interesting bit to me: Then again I have no idea what HBO is doing nowadays. Maybe GoT's first season really was a once-ever fluke.
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Nov 24, 2021 22:03
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th3t00t posted:Still kind of bugs me they didn’t use the book prologue to open the series. Just like His Dark Materials, the moderately-talented people behind this adaptation seem to think they can pull off some brilliant artistic feat in restructuring what is (or at least starts off with) a very simple, well-paced and gripping narrative. The Witcher managed to come up with a cool and fun structure that worked, but it was dealing with a bunch of disparate short stories so that makes perfect sense - whatever happened, they were going to have to do something to tie them all together into a cohesive narrative whole. It just isn't necessary here. Anyways, nothing that can be done, and who knows how they're laying out the rest of the season - could be the next 5 episodes are good enough that their approach will make perfect sense when viewed with hindsight.
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Nov 25, 2021 22:17
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But he said 'shining like the sun' or whatever? Makes no sense, or have I missed something
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Nov 27, 2021 21:03
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This is a show for three year olds
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Nov 28, 2021 14:35
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:The changes they made to Nynaeve's background seem strange to me because ultimately they aren't important to her character. Her parents are both dead from disease by the time the books start so they've never been a part of who she is, her first channeling is because of Egwene. I don't mind them, but I also don't see the point of them at this point in the show. We're along for the ride so I think now am trying to not dwell on the less-good bits, and just enjoy the show for what it is. Rarity posted:Man I have no idea what's going to happen in this episode. Aside from the Perrin/Whitecloaks stuff and Moiraine/Siuan reunion I can't think of much of anything from the books that would fit here
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Dec 1, 2021 17:46
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Hollismason posted:Overall it was really good a little light on the action but it still had a pretty engrossing story. I probably liked it a little less than the last one but the Ashaman just devastating a army was such a bad rear end moment it was worth it. Hollismason posted:Yeah that was definitely a bad rear end moment. To bad we didn't see the scene where Rand went berserk at finding Min was in the camp then killed a warder with his bare hands.
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Dec 5, 2021 22:48
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Hollismason posted:It happens when Rand is captured by the Aes Sedai , they make a passing comment that he went totally loving berserk when he found out Min was in the camp with them attacking a warder and killing him. Sanguinia posted:Its funny because Dumai's Wells was the first thing I thought about in Episode 4 during the big fight against Logain's forces, and I have to admit a part of me felt like this scene, as great as it is, was letting that cat out of the bag way too early and it was going to dampen the meaning of that moment when it happens. Then again, to be honest I don't really get why they added this whole plot arc of Lan/Moiraine/Nynaeve joining up with the AS who captured logaine, plus the battle, and then plus the whole warder loss plotline that dominated the most recent episode too. But it might be something that becomes clear in the last few episodes of the season.
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Out of interest, does anyone know when the first time is in the books that we see or hear what happens to a warder if their AS dies?jng2058 posted:See I get that to a degree, and of course you're free to like or dislike what you want. DarkHorse posted:Yeah it's absolutely screaming "moiraine is about to die and lan might not survive it" to the point Jon book readers are picking up on it. So moiraine getting Finn-doored is not only going to Gandalf her, but in a way that says "yeah you don't see a body but her warder definitely felt her die" - which then sets up the conflict between Nynaeve, Alanna, and Lan, which ultimately pays off when Nynaeve grants Lan's death wish by dropping him at the rear end-end of the Borderlands Moiraine presumably isn't going anywhere until... what, season 3? edit: Johnny Joestar posted:if they adapted eye of the world 1:1 for the show it would be insanely boring and the show would tank El Grillo fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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Dec 6, 2021 03:01
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I always thought Thom's reaction to Moiraine in his first scene is because he just loving hates Aes Sedai after he 'let them' to gentled his nephew. That's kind of his whole shtick through the first book, after all, a kind of attempted redemption arc.
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Dec 6, 2021 15:42
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Data Graham posted:Yeah and I guess my only real issue there is that there's nothing from Rand's POV going like "ok what the gently caress was THAT all about" as he watches the two of them dancing around each other. Abruptly the flow of words and the juggling alike stopped. Thom simply snatched the balls from the air and stopped talking. Unnoticed by Rand, Moiraine had joined the listeners. Lan was at her shoulder, though he had to look twice to see the man. For a moment Thom looked at Moiraine sideways, his face and body still except for making the balls disappear into his capacious coat sleeves. Then he bowed to her, holding his cloak wide. “Your pardon, but you are surely not from this district?” “Lady!” Ewin hissed fiercely. “The Lady Moiraine.” Thom blinked, then bowed again, more deeply. “Your pardon again ... ah, Lady. I meant no disrespect.” Moiraine made a small waving-away gesture. “None was perceived, Master Bard. And my name is simply Moiraine. I am indeed a stranger here, a traveler like yourself, far from home and alone. The world can be a dangerous place when one is a stranger.” “The Lady Moiraine collects stories,” Ewin put in. “Stories about things that happened in the Two Rivers. Though I don’t know what ever happened here to make a story of.” “I trust you will like my stories, as well ... Moiraine.” Thom watched her with obvious wariness. He looked not best pleased to find her there. Suddenly Rand wondered what sort of entertainment a lady like her might be offered in a city like Baerlon, or Caemlyn. Surely it could not be anything better than a gleeman. “That is a matter of taste, Master Bard,” Moiraine replied. “Some stories I like, and some I do not.” Thom’s bow was his deepest yet, bending his long body parallel to the ground. “I assure you, none of my stories will displease. All will please and entertain. And you do me too much honor. I am a simple gleeman; that and nothing more.” Moiraine answered his bow with a gracious nod. For an instant she seemed even more the lady Ewin had named her, accepting an offering from one of her subjects. Then she turned away, and Lan followed, a wolf heeling a gliding swan. Thom stared after them, bushy brows drawn down, stroking his long mustaches with a knuckle, until they were halfway up the Green. He’s not pleased at all, Rand thought.
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Lanfear will forever be known as 'Landfill' in my head now, thanks goons
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Dec 8, 2021 17:26
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I wish they had stuck a bit more to the book version of Aes Sedai, who train themselves to be able to control their emotions to an extreme level when in public. Obviously you can't have robots on screen for all these scenes but the whole Hall scene felt super melodramatic.
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Dec 10, 2021 02:29
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A shame that they changed the Waygate from a cool organic Ogier-centred thing into a generic electric-y magic archway thing.Rarity posted:Based on POVs of Aes Sedai politics the whole Aes Sedai constant poker face thing is just good PR
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Dec 10, 2021 03:13
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Gully Foyle posted:Even in the books, there are plenty of Aes Sedai meetings where sisters are getting up and shouting/screaming at each other. I could be misremembering and they're chewing the scenery from book 1 on, I don't know. The show is massively accelerating everything to fit whatever timeline or total budget or whatever it is that they're aiming for, so it's not hugely surprising that they've started off very explicitly in the middle of the Tower's self-destruction, I suppose. Again I may be misremembering but I think in the books Siuan is certainly feeling the heat when we first meet her and makes that clear to Moiraine, but it's nowhere near what we're seeing in the show.
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Dec 10, 2021 03:28
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MegaZeroX posted:The books basically fixed it suddenly after they met in Camelyn, there had to be second fix, but when I read it, it wasn't really a big deal after Moraine did her temporary fix. And then, it is still a sudden offscreen fix in TDR. Its basically done after Camelyn. I suppose they might bring it back but then again they would have a hard time sensibly explaining what happens, given it was taken off him whilst he was in Tar Valon not Caemlyn. Anyways, by far not the worst thing about the episode.
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Dec 10, 2021 18:11
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PupsOfWar posted:i do think there's been a smidge too little focus on Rand and the reveal is gonna come outta nowhere to a lot of viewers goethe.cx posted:I’d watch a faithful adaptation but it’s very hard to do that while making something that your average viewer would be interested in watching I do think it's hard, and risky, to adapt something like EOTW/LOTR/GoT whilst keeping your adaptation very close to the source material. LOTR and (I think? Been a long time since I read it) GoT kept very close and pulled it off amazingly well. In fact they are the two biggest blockbuster swords-and-sorcery fantasy things of all time. But I'm sure the TV industry knows how to churn out a series that will be extremely likely to get a decent number of people watching - there are genetic formula that you see being repeated across a lot of modern streaming content, even in terms of the writing of modern series. I imagine a lot of that comes from focus grouped studies of how to get people hooked on this stuff. That's not to say that all creativity is quashed or that the process is entirely mechanistic. But my understanding is that a studio is likely to demand that the product hit certain beats to increase the likelihood of it working for their planned audience markets. I am very interested in how and why WoT has departed so much from the source. Maybe it's mostly to do with making a show that Amazon is willing to make the bet on. But it could really be that Survivor guy thinks he has a genius vision for how WoT needed to be changed for the screen. In reality I'm sure it's somewhere in between. And who knows, maybe Rafe and the team he has around him really are good enough to pull off a GoT style success with it. Right now I don't think so, but who knows how things could improve in season 2. Osmosisch posted:I think my main gripe with the series so far is the missed opportunity to make the world feel as postapocalyptic as it is in the books. Almost every traveling scene should have some evidence of lost greatness or humanity in retreat. Didn't even need to cost extra screen time or dialogue, there's plenty of slow pans already. The rebirth theme would hit extra hard then. Osmosisch posted:Yeah it did start off strong but I especially missed it during Perrin and Egwene's bogus journey. Given how accelerated the whole show is, it's kind of obvious why they've done it that way, but I reckon it does take away from the 'lost world' vibe. It is also just kind of a symptom of the simplifying approach they've taken to the whole mythos and the mechanics of how the world works. Whether that's good or bad for the adaptation is subjective ofc. El Grillo fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Dec 11, 2021 |
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^^if they are skipping Falme entirely and merging it with Tear as the finale of season 2, that might make sense that they're doing it now. And if that's the case holy crap, they're condensing things even more than I figured.
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Dec 11, 2021 13:39
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Andoman posted:This is the point surely - they have adapted the books for TV. The key word is adapted - ie changed it to make it work on TV. As Hieronymous Alloy posted, they seem to be trying to tell the same story (albeit with adaptations) and so it will not be a carbon copy of the books. That will not please everyone but as has been said before you can't please all of the people all of the time. I think (as with all adaptations to be honest) if a fan is looking at a TV series through the lens of it must be true to the book in every detail then they are setting themselves up for disappointment because that was never going to happen. Personally I would rather sit back and enjoy it for what it is - the best adaptation of WoT I have seen :-) Adaptations can be more or less faithful to their source material. WoT is an adaptation that strays quite far from the source material. Most of the big changes aren't ones where you can say 'it HAD to be this way because TV is a different medium'. There are a few things from the books where yes you probably would HAVE to change them because they would look super dumb on-screen. But everything else is a matter of judgment by the showrunners, or dictated by the studio and the limited resources of the production. WoT's showrunners decided to change a ton of stuff. It is what it is. I think as swords&sorcery fantasy nerds maybe we're quite spoiled by the big blockbuster fantasy adaptations all being quite literal adaptations? I'm thinking about LOTR, GoT, the Witcher. I figured those must be the most popular fantasy adaptations (maybe not the Witcher, I dunno)... They all stick pretty close to their source material (not the latter seasons of GoT obviously - and Witcher had to add stuff to stitch together the short stories into a coherent narrative). Perhaps we've gotten used to the idea that talented people really can translate these weird books onto screen whilst preserving so much of them (even preserving weird unnatural Tolkein dialogue, for example). It's been quite jarring for me to see this adaptation of WoT which deliberately steps away from the books in so many ways.
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On the 'how close is the adaptation' chat, I found this about FOTR: https://www.theonering.com/complete-list-of-film-changes/the-fellowship-of-the-ring/ I really love the acronyms (GBSM) 
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Dec 13, 2021 15:06
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Chomposaur posted:The root of most of the changes is the decision to bring Moiraine and aes sedai politics to the forefront in the first season. The main reason to do that is to show new viewers one of the most interesting parts of the world and give them a taste of the broader political trajectory the show might follow in the future. Readers of 800 page fantasy epics expect a slow burn, your average person clicking into Amazon's new fantasy TV series on a whim needs a more compelling case delivered more quickly. As an aside, I think the people who did the recent His Dark Material adaptation probably had the same reason for intercutting a whole bunch of side plot/background stuff into what (in the first book of that series) was quite a simple and effective fantasy journey narrative. GoT of course had the advantage that there was a lot of wider-world politicking from very early on. I do think WoT is a more difficult adaptation to make work for modern audiences. Hell, any high fantasy is notoriously difficult to turn into a good screen adaptation. We are probably lucky that we got whatever WoT series is instead of Shannara or whatever. But that doesn't mean a slow-burn approach wouldn't have been more effective (IMO) if done well. EoTW's opening as-written is great. The short prologue gives you a peak into the wider world, the Power and the danger it entails, the historical character that the whole story effectively revolves around, and it introduces the Big Bad of the first (four?) books. Then it takes you to the tiniest, bumfuck town in the middle of nowhere, and begins the books' (much slower than the show) reveal of the massive intricacies of the world, its mechanics and wildly varying cultures. At the same time it tells a quite effectively creepy, at times almost horror-esque, fantasy story about how these young people in the village (during a weird neverending winter, surrounded by a bunch of eerie portents) are being stalked by a terrifying and unnatural cloaked figure, which leads to the (awesome) climactic scene where the bucolic peace of Rand's isolated farmhouse is blown to pieces by a giant hosed up wolf-headed monster that crashes through the front door while they're making dinner and tries to murder and eat them. Anyways, show is what it is. It's still kind of fun to see familiar stuff on-screen, and Rosamund Pike has totally nailed Moraine, I reckon and Siuan too olollololol. Rarity posted:It's literally just a gate, who cares?
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Good actors and well known actors are two separate (but sometimes overlapping) groups of humans
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Dec 13, 2021 16:10
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Yeah and a bunch of the other green man beings are around in the AoL flashbacks too right? Or am I making that up
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Dec 13, 2021 17:35
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buffalo all day posted:Sanderson had an interview posted a few days ago where he addresses this. Basically everyone involved in the show understands the two sentences I quoted above. Rather than having the first season or two be one show and then change into another, they chose to change the basic adventure story (books 1-3) to more resemble the meat of the story (books 4-7).
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Thanks. Anyone know what's up with him signing bits of paper, they look like scripts?? Seems somewhat bizarre to be doing while you're in a studio of some sort doing an interview/discussion thing.
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Dec 13, 2021 20:07
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Massive changes aren't happening, everything thus far has been contextual/mechanical to help show viewers alone grasp the setting. (prime characters aren't getting cut, key players might be combined but their plot threads aren't going away). buffalo all day posted:I think it's the cover page of his next book, that was definitely my reaction too though
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Someone upthread was talking about the show vamping up the violence and misery, I was wondering how much they actually have done that. Regarding the violence, to my memory there is quite a bit of grisly stuff even in EoTW, albeit a lot of that is in the dream sequences (ravens plucking out Rand's eyes, burned-up darkfriend guy, Egwene gets set on fire, etc.) And the action is described in quite a punchy way of course, Jordan doesn't beat around the bush in his descriptions. But also the tone of the book is kind of a background of greyness, the world running out of food because of the neverending winter, refugees and stuff I think? But interspersed with the some much brighter/chirpy city scenes, colourful stuff like the Caemlyn red and white and the parade/festival atmosphere going on there when Rand's running around and falls over the castle wall; and of course the palace itself with Elaida's strikingly vibrant garden. So I suppose not so much a grimdark tone as a contrast of bright splashes of fantasy colour against the background of a world that feels like it's dying, is full of dark omens (often connected with the boys' dreams), creepy/stalking monster threats (Rand sees fades move in and out of shadows quite a bit I think when he and Matt are on the run)... So to me the show definitely looks more standard grimdark but I don't think it would be fair to say it's really vamped up the miserableness/violence. Maybe the misery is just more generic GoT-type aethetic.
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Rarity posted:Rand is bland as hell in the first book He's kind of solely defined by his reactions to the story though. Not so much the inner fully formed personality yet. PupsOfWar posted:i think there are broadly speaking two ways you can approach adapting a ginormous fantasy series
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Wait, The innkeeper in Bree was in league with sauron and wanted to secretly destroy the entire world, and planned on turning the hobbits over to the Nazgul? Now that is an interesting twist. LionArcher posted:That is because GOT relies on character dynamics to tell a "history/fantasy" story. That's the strength of GOT, it's fantasy for people who are embarrassed by fantasy, and for fantasy fans who wanted "real and gritty". Also loving lol at the Pike quote. We really are lucky with her on board Also also I just twigged that with her second name being Pike it lends a little something to that line between Moiraine and Siuan ('clever as a pike')
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I swear to god I've seen a set design like the ways before, either in a game or some film or TV - a dark hexagonal stone floor pattern, with a load of almost crystalline-lookinb hexagonal columns coming up out of it at different heights. Am I going crazy or do any of you know what I'm talking about? Lol. This episode was ok except the love triangle was bleh, the Lan background reveal was a bit meh, and it felt like they overextended the Lan/Nynaeve will they won't they by about 2 mins. Agelmar in the books was cool, show Agelmar was generically rubbish. I've no idea how I feel about Rand reveal, it will be interesting to see non-reader reactions. There was really no need to have the Tam woods scene as flashback, we already knew one of the five had a mysterious background. It felt like quite an artificial insert, I don't think they built up to it as a reveal that Rand has had this preying on his mind at all. They could have had that as part of his developing character all season, like in the books; the doubt and denial about what Tam said. The Tigraine fight was like... Ok how brain damaged is your baby after all of this. I guess they wanted action. It was a cool scene but I worry that it might just look too ridiculous to some. And given the crux of the scene is really that striking image of a woman giving birth in the snow on a mountain in a battle... you'd have thought that could be made dramatic enough by itself. Ah well, the fight was quite well done at least vOv Skyl3lazer posted:I always imagined the blight as a desert, was that just totally wrong? I thought it was just the Wastes but with a bit more evil gunk around. Johnny Joestar posted:the way the blight is described in the books would be insanely hard to put on tv since it's this intensely warped area of sorts filled with nasty poo poo, and the sheer amount of variety of things that would be needed for a 1:1 recreation of that description of the area that will, ultimately, not be that important in the series as a whole seems like a pretty easy thing to decide to rein in a bit and give it a more cohesive look Show version is very grey, but to me that's not the end of the world (pun intended), certainly not compared to some of the other stuff from the books I wish they'd not changed.
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